Suicide cons>>>Advice and info needed please.

[im not fat im fIuffy]

Hello all. I am here to find out your opinions on suicide.
I am against suicide and I need to write a paper on suicide.
It is an argument position paper.

What are the cons of suicide?

And pros?

Why do people suicide? Why some couldn't?

[Nonesuch Solo]

YA DIG NIGGUH

Hello all. I am here to find out your opinions on suicide.
I am against suicide and I need to write a paper on suicide.
It is an argument position paper.

What are the cons of suicide?

And pros?

Why do people suicide? Why some couldn't?

How broad is your topic? Does it include physician-assisted suicide for people who are barely being kept alive and desire to bring about their own ends rather than waste away in a hospice for months, or is this only about depression-related suicide?

It's easy to argue "pros" on suicide as far as physician-assisted cases. If somebody is in chronic pain and is deteriorating, you have to look at the quality of life. It's like when people make the decision to euthanise their beloved pet when they become very sick and will not get well.

However, it's very easy to argue against emotionally-fueled suicide. Depression can literally make a "mountain out of a molehill"--even small problems can seem impossible to overcome--and there is quite a lot in the way of resources available for people who are suicidally depressed. One popular catchphrase is that "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem," however the reality is that some of these problems (depression, for example) are not temporary. There are a lot of problems in life--whether you are suicidal or not--that require long-term solutions, and that catchphrase about "temporary problems" can be very insulting and unhelpful.

It's a complicated issue, but if you're looking for more "cons" one big "con" is that suicide leaves a huge mess for those who love you, emotionally, financially, and in many other subtle ways.

[Orphan_Shadow]

Pros
-None

Cons
-You die painfully or live AND become seriously injured in some way
-You die and there might be nothing after death, there might be a "hell" after death

[Nicolaes Rose]

Suicide is a very selfish thing to do. You feel that no one cares for you? You're wrong. Most suicides are teenagers. Their parents care, even though they feel they don't. They have friends who care, even if they're an outcast. Their teachers care! It's their job!

All in all, someone has to pay for the autopsy, they casket, the grave plot, they funeral home, the medical bills, the mortuary bills just for holding the body, and then there's the therapy bills for those who lost a good friend. Well, you're all just selfish.

Then there's the attention grabbers who just want to have people pamper to their psychological needs. Those people are the worst. They do everything they can to get you to feel sorry for them. I pity no one.

But there are a few people who truly have nothing. They're the people who haven't got any parents, don't have friends, and don't have anyone to listen to them. Some people are like that, and need to be listened to. You just have to know which ones are which.

THEN there are people who feel they have done everything they can do in life who just think it's time to die. They are the ones you leave ALONE.

Honestly, suicide isn't the answer, but to some, it's all they have left. That's like, 15% though. To the other 85%, pull your heads out of your asses.

[Orphan_Shadow]

Well there you have it: if you can't live your life for the sake of others, no matter how miserable and stuff you are, you're selfish. neutral

[Nicolaes Rose]

EmotionallyInconsistent

Well there you have it: if you can't live your life for the sake of others, no matter how miserable and stuff you are, you're selfish. neutral

That's now what I meant. I just think that if you can't see what you have around you when you think your depressed, you need to open your eyes. People care, and the depressed person doesn't see that. Most of the depressed people I know just rant about being hated by everyone.

My sister has a saying that most think is mean. "Don't be sad little emo kid, the world doesn't hate you. You're not special enough for the world to hate you."

As bad as that sounds, it's assuring to me when I think about it. It says that no matter what, the world is filled with enough people that someone out there is going to like you, even love you enough to be affected by your death.

Think of this: There was a boy who has liked a girl for many years. He is shy, and doesn't know what to say to a girl he wants to go steady with. The girl is secretly depressed and wants to end her misery. She cuts herself and writes dark letters, always thinking that today is her last day. No one cares about her in her eyes. She thinks she's unwanted by the boys and her parents argue with her constantly. That boy is still thinking of all the things he can say to make her smile. She kills herself the night he finally gets the words right. He is going to hand her that perfectly folded note tomorrow before school, but is disappointed that she wasn't there. He comes home to hear on the news, "A young girl takes her life today in a suburban area. Her friends and parents were shocked to see the wounds she inflicted on herself. No one knew that she was having problems." He cried himself to sleep that night, telling himself that he could have changed it if he had just figured it out sooner. If only he had the guts, she may still be alive. Then he gets depressed, and a month later is ridden with guilt. He starts smoking and drinking to ease the pain of not seeing her pretty face any more. He skips class, because it reminded him of her. He runs away from home because his parents want to know why. He doesn't want to talk about her.

That's what I was saying. Even though you think you have no one, you may still have someone.

[Jeorg]

I am, in some respects, suicidal. But I would not classify myself as a foolish 'emo'. Please, do the same.

Pros:
-Life becomes unbearable, and progression is impossible
-May assist with financial difficulties [insurance]
-Permanent solution to extensive issues
-Drastic decision envelopes actions [no reason]
-Incurable disease, advanced death to prevent 'insanity'
-Psychological disorder permits, enables, or motivates suicide

Cons:
It seems that all one must do is read the other posts.

[Jeorg]

EmotionallyInconsistent

Well there you have it: if you can't live your life for the sake of others, no matter how miserable and stuff you are, you're selfish. neutral

But, by all accounts, everyone is selfish. To enable yourself to live your life fully, either in helping another or simply yourself, is indeed selfish.

May I suggest a quote?
"None of us goes around sobbing over the millions and billions of people who have died in the past . . . nor over those still living and yet to be born whose certain heritage is death (including Podkayne Fries herself.) So why should you cry foolish tears simply because you happen to be in the neighborhood when someone you don't like--despise, in fact--comes to the end of her string?"

Podkayne
Podkayne of Mars

The purpose of this quote is to illustrate that no one particularly cares if you 'reach the end of your string'. You will soon be forgotten. Why is it then selfish to commit suicide if it is your pathway to happiness? No one else will bother to care, so all that should matter to you is- you.

Your argument does not hold, miss.

In addition to my original post, neither does yours, Shattered_Blood_Molecules.

[Shattered_Blood_Molecules]

Some of the times when someone commits suicide, they feel worthless like no one cares about them and hopeless, and like no one would care if they did die. Sometimes those who commit suicide, have an illness in which they can't understand the bad affects their death has on others.

[Orphan_Shadow]

Shattered_Blood_Molecules

Some of the times when someone commits suicide, they feel worthless like no one cares about them and hopeless, and like no one would care if they did die. Sometimes those who commit suicide, have an illness in which they can't understand the bad affects their death has on others.

It certainly felt that way back when I either had a depression overload or an anxiety attack... I remember that I felt so lonely and so many negative thoughts entered my mind (worthlessness, desperation and felt no one would care if I died)... ugh. Plus I was curled up on the floor crying.

[Rayne Nightrose]

EmotionallyInconsistent

Pros
-None

Cons
-You die painfully or live AND become seriously injured in some way
-You die and there might be nothing after death, there might be a "hell" after death

There are pros. You will have no more earthly problems, and if you commit suicide there is no "or live". You're dead neutral

[Shattered_Blood_Molecules]

EmotionallyInconsistent

Shattered_Blood_Molecules

Some of the times when someone commits suicide, they feel worthless like no one cares about them and hopeless, and like no one would care if they did die. Sometimes those who commit suicide, have an illness in which they can't understand the bad affects their death has on others.

It certainly felt that way back when I either had a depression overload or an anxiety attack... I remember that I felt so lonely and so many negative thoughts entered my mind (worthlessness, desperation and felt no one would care if I died)... ugh. Plus I was curled up on the floor crying.

Reminds me of my situation. I remember the days, I was too mental to realize how much a death could affect someone.

[Nonesuch Solo]

Jeorg

The purpose of this quote is to illustrate that no one particularly cares if you 'reach the end of your string'. You will soon be forgotten. Why is it then selfish to commit suicide if it is your pathway to happiness? No one else will bother to care, so all that should matter to you is- you.

Nobody cares? What planet are you from?

[Shattered_Blood_Molecules]

Jeorg

EmotionallyInconsistent

Well there you have it: if you can't live your life for the sake of others, no matter how miserable and stuff you are, you're selfish. neutral

But, by all accounts, everyone is selfish. To enable yourself to live your life fully, either in helping another or simply yourself, is indeed selfish.

May I suggest a quote?
"None of us goes around sobbing over the millions and billions of people who have died in the past . . . nor over those still living and yet to be born whose certain heritage is death (including Podkayne Fries herself.) So why should you cry foolish tears simply because you happen to be in the neighborhood when someone you don't like--despise, in fact--comes to the end of her string?"

Podkayne
Podkayne of Mars

The purpose of this quote is to illustrate that no one particularly cares if you 'reach the end of your string'. You will soon be forgotten. Why is it then selfish to commit suicide if it is your pathway to happiness? No one else will bother to care, so all that should matter to you is- you.

Your argument does not hold, miss.

In addition to my original post, neither does yours, Shattered_Blood_Molecules.

The death of someone can be SO traumatizing that it causes PTSD. My mom's mother died when she was 2 yrs old, and she is still scared of dying of mesothelioma because her mother died of mesothelioma.