So I have this theory on suicidal and self-harming folks

[CH1YO]

sikio

I hate to correct you, but depression is considered an epidemic. The definition of an epidemic is described as "an outbreak of disease or anything resembling a disease which attacks and affects many individuals or a population simultaneously". A synonym for "disease" is "illness". While I do agree that depression is not officially TERMED an illness or a disease, but rather a disorder, I also think that it would be strange of anyone to name this disorder "major depressive disorder/illness/disease". Besides this, I have heard many people, including psychologists, say that depression is an illness. Also, take into account that age-wise, nature's way of removing unwanted genes is highly ineffective.

If you hate to correct me then do not try to do so without due cause.

sikio

As for this thread, frankly, only 3.4% of those with major depression commit suicide. Suicide has many reasons, from culture to religion to stress to financial problems to mental health issues. 60% of the world's suicides have had some form of mental health disorder. That's only 10% higher than a half and half situation. So even if yu wanted to say that those with mental disorders are removing themselves from the gene pool, consider that 3.4% is not a large percentage of those with depression, and consider that the other 40% of those who commit suicide are either undiagnosed or don't have mental health issues.

No person in a state of mental wellbeing commits suicide.

sikio

As for self injury, in what way does it remove someone from the gene pool intentionally, if it is not intended to kill? Self injury causes a certain high which relieves the emotional pressure the person is suffering. The pain is then classified as feeling "good". It then becomes an addiction which, like all other addictions, are difficult to stop.

That was indeed always an absurd and unnecessary argument.

sikio

Also, may I say that you are entirely rude and insensitive for saying those things. You're saying that those who commit suicide and self injure are not worthy of living because there is something wrong with them and that they were genetically destined to kill themselves. As someone who suffers from major depression and overcame self injury, I am entirely offended.

You probably shouldn't be, it was most likely a troll-thread anyway.

[sikio]

CH1YO

sikio

I hate to correct you, but depression is considered an epidemic. The definition of an epidemic is described as "an outbreak of disease or anything resembling a disease which attacks and affects many individuals or a population simultaneously". A synonym for "disease" is "illness". While I do agree that depression is not officially TERMED an illness or a disease, but rather a disorder, I also think that it would be strange of anyone to name this disorder "major depressive disorder/illness/disease". Besides this, I have heard many people, including psychologists, say that depression is an illness. Also, take into account that age-wise, nature's way of removing unwanted genes is highly ineffective.

If you hate to correct me then do not try to do so without due cause.

sikio

As for this thread, frankly, only 3.4% of those with major depression commit suicide. Suicide has many reasons, from culture to religion to stress to financial problems to mental health issues. 60% of the world's suicides have had some form of mental health disorder. That's only 10% higher than a half and half situation. So even if yu wanted to say that those with mental disorders are removing themselves from the gene pool, consider that 3.4% is not a large percentage of those with depression, and consider that the other 40% of those who commit suicide are either undiagnosed or don't have mental health issues.

No person in a state of mental wellbeing commits suicide.

sikio

As for self injury, in what way does it remove someone from the gene pool intentionally, if it is not intended to kill? Self injury causes a certain high which relieves the emotional pressure the person is suffering. The pain is then classified as feeling "good". It then becomes an addiction which, like all other addictions, are difficult to stop.

That was indeed always an absurd and unnecessary argument.

sikio

Also, may I say that you are entirely rude and insensitive for saying those things. You're saying that those who commit suicide and self injure are not worthy of living because there is something wrong with them and that they were genetically destined to kill themselves. As someone who suffers from major depression and overcame self injury, I am entirely offended.

You probably shouldn't be, it was most likely a troll-thread anyway.

You did need to be corrected.
And while I agree to that, that 40% are not diagnosed for any mental health disorder. Also, consider religious mass suicides, or culturally based suicides (Japan comes to mind).
It was.
Most likely, but there is still a chance the person was honest.

[CH1YO]

sikio

You did need to be corrected.

False, as I was and am correct.

sikio

And while I agree to that, that 40% are not diagnosed for any mental health disorder. Also, consider religious mass suicides, or culturally based suicides (Japan comes to mind).

Those examples do not indicate people in a state of mental wellbeing.

sikio

Most likely, but there is still a chance the person was honest.

It would still be better to dismiss on that basis.

[sikio]

CH1YO

sikio

You did need to be corrected.

False, as I was and am correct.

sikio

And while I agree to that, that 40% are not diagnosed for any mental health disorder. Also, consider religious mass suicides, or culturally based suicides (Japan comes to mind).

Those examples do not indicate people in a state of mental wellbeing.

sikio

Most likely, but there is still a chance the person was honest.

It would still be better to dismiss on that basis.

In what way are you correct?
No, they don't, but they also do not have any mental disorders such as schizophrenia, depression, or bipolar disorder.
With the amount of ignorant people on the internet, I don't think I shall.

[CH1YO]

sikio

In what way are you correct?

In the usual way.

sikio

No, they don't, but they also do not have any mental disorders such as schizophrenia, depression, or bipolar disorder.

They do not have any present diagnoses of psychotic/psychoneurotic type disorder, no.

sikio

With the amount of ignorant people on the internet, I don't think I shall.

That would only be a serviceable point if you were serving an educative function, which getting upset does not..

[sikio]

CH1YO

In the usual way.

This does not explain how you are in any way right.

CH1YO

They do not have any present diagnoses of psychotic/psychoneurotic type disorder, no.

No, they do not.

CH1YO

That would only be a serviceable point if you were serving an educative function, which getting upset does not..

I am simply saying that whomever created this thread could have been honest, in which case I am offended by his/her ignorance.

[CH1YO]

sikio

This does not explain how you are in any way right.

How many ways to be right are there?

sikio

No, they do not.

Which is different to their being grounds for the same.

sikio

I am simply saying that whomever created this thread could have been honest, in which case I am offended by his/her ignorance.

Why would ignorance of all things be offensive?

[Thyna]

Suicide and self injuring is used to assist in coping with things in a person's life that they don't know how to resolve by any other means. It offers an escape, something else to think about, a way of expressing what the person is feeling when words don't work, and a release. For self injury it also provides a more tangable, visible, way of dealing with problems. When a person cuts or burns, those things can be easily taken care of by first aid, bandages or salves. Feelings and internal issues take a lot more work and time to recover from.