Pansexuality is a stupid label

[Sierra Leone]

WTF? I guess people are just pulling these labels out the a** these days, huh? I guess you could say that I'm both... well... not really.... Argh! I like whoever I like! There!

[FuzzyBlueElf]

Sierra Leone

WTF? I guess people are just pulling these labels out the a** these days, huh? I guess you could say that I'm both... well... not really.... Argh! I like whoever I like! There!

haha. Best response so far, I do believe.

[Corrupted Coco]

FuzzyBlueElf

thanks for contributing coco. you make some good points. Post-op, for all purposes (including sexual orientation in my book) you would be consider female. That is, after all, the point of it. It'd be insulting to consider you anything else without you self-labeling as third gender or male or whatever.

That being said, it's extremely hard for me to understand the drive to transition without some belief in a gender binary. I get that you aren't comfortable in your own skin, but what I don't get is why. And if you don't attach gender to the bits you have, then would there really be a need to be defined as a woman post-op?

I don't know. I mean, I really want to hear how you feel about why you personally aren't comfortable with your body, and what it means to you to transition, how you feel about gender/sex, etc. I know it's off-topic, but these are the kinds of discussion I think we need to have in order to avoid misinterpreting labels and self-identifiers.

A response to a similar question quoted from the transgender thread:

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My mind rejects the presence of male structure and genitalia and for some reason expects female genitalia and structure in it's place, to the point of emotional and psychological pain of a severe level.

Since I'm changing my body to be as female as possible to stop this pain, I have taken on a woman's identity out of practicality.

There, you have an example of how someone who considers herself a girl, with a (partially at this point) male body, who really isn't that feminine at all.

In fact I've often been described as a dyke, tomboy, ******** and gender pirate to describe my penchant for mixing and matching different clothing and self expression types based on how interesting or close to my style they are, with no mind for whether they are a "girl's" self expression or a "guy's" self expression.

I imagine there are people who are even further outside of your expectation for transgendered folk.

That seems to explain it pretty well. With that said, I think saying that "gender don exits" is rather idiotic, seeing as the existence of transpeople proves that wrong rather well.

[Malinconia]

There are people who transition without at least some adherence to the gender binary. Gender does exist but what it means to a person differs.

For all intents and purposes, I consider myself an FTM. Why? Because my mind/self exists as male, while my body does not fit my mind. And yes, my body causes no end of distress to me.

To label anything outside of the socially constructed 'norm' a disorder is not only insulting to anyone who doesn't fit it, but emotionally hurtful.

Whereas my body? For all intents and purposes, I would prefer it to be nonsexed/androgynous with a male bent. That is just what I feel most comfortable in.

Biologically, people are born three ways; male, female, or intersex. It is the human race's natural set-up. Even XXY men are still men. There are no other 'bits' other than the sex binary naturally, although correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm 100% sure I'm not.

The gender binary is social, I think. Male-bitted people are expected to 'be' something; same as female-bitted people. Not everyone fits that, though!

[FuzzyBlueElf]

Yeah.. though there are micro-penises/enlarged clitoris-es...

[Felicia Annelise]

I always thought that bisexuality was attraction specifically to a male or a female, whilst some people use 'pansexuality' to mean that they are open to transgendered (and bigendered or intersexed) individuals and the like.

Admittedly I am attracted to both sexes but have never called myself 'bisexual.'

'Tis rather nice to go with the flow, as it were.

[Plesurepet]

If I am attracted to them..man, woman, trap, shemale...a bowling team..whatever then I go for it. Animals have alot of personality but I dunno if I could have more than a one time thing with a Doggie. wink

[Friend Of The Squids]

rolleyes Okay, wow. Seriously guys, it's not that complicated. I'm pansexual. Pansexual basically means you are attracted, both sexually and emotionally, to all genders, sexes, combinations and variations of the genders and sexes, transgendered people of all types, hermaphrodites and androgynes. Also, being attracted to animals other than humans is not wrong, and is called bestiality. Yes, it's spelled like that. I identify in public as male, but among my inner circle of friends come out as a...me. I'm genetically female, have many female traits and make WAY too much estrogen. I'm guessing that's a bit hermaphroditic.

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Friend Of The Squids

I identify in public as male, but among my inner circle of friends come out as a...me. I'm genetically female, have many female traits and make WAY too much estrogen. I'm guessing that's a bit hermaphroditic.

No it's not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

[Friend Of The Squids]

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Friend Of The Squids

I identify in public as male, but among my inner circle of friends come out as a...me. I'm genetically female, have many female traits and make WAY too much estrogen. I'm guessing that's a bit hermaphroditic.

No it's not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

Yeah, well, what the hell. You know what I mean.

[error-dot-tar]

Friend Of The Squids

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Friend Of The Squids

I identify in public as male, but among my inner circle of friends come out as a...me. I'm genetically female, have many female traits and make WAY too much estrogen. I'm guessing that's a bit hermaphroditic.

No it's not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

Yeah, well, what the hell. You know what I mean.

Not really. What connection were you trying to make? And how does it relate to sexuality in the least?

[La Veuve Zin]

Friend Of The Squids

rolleyes Okay, wow. Seriously guys, it's not that complicated. I'm pansexual. Pansexual basically means you are attracted, both sexually and emotionally, to all genders, sexes, combinations and variations of the genders and sexes, transgendered people of all types, hermaphrodites and androgynes.

You haven't explained how this is different from being an open-minded bisexual.

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La Veuve Zin

Friend Of The Squids

rolleyes Okay, wow. Seriously guys, it's not that complicated. I'm pansexual. Pansexual basically means you are attracted, both sexually and emotionally, to all genders, sexes, combinations and variations of the genders and sexes, transgendered people of all types, hermaphrodites and androgynes.

You haven't explained how this is different from being an open-minded bisexual.

[ChiyuriYami]

FuzzyBlueElf

Ok. So here's my problem with "pansexuality." As most people identify it, pansexuality is a natural sexual attraction to personalities and not physical sex. Let me ask you pansexuals something, why do you assume that bisexuals are naturally attracted to physical sex? Bisexuality is simply a sexual attraction to both men and women.

By calling yourselves pansexuals, instead of bisexuals, what you're doing is actually propogating the belief that bisexuals are slutty people who have an abnormal sexual need to be with people of both sexes.

Can someone please tell me why it is so very important for you to segregate and label yourself as something other than bisexual? Because I honestly don't see the need for it.

The only one I can maybe see is if you want to specifically express that you are okay with dating hermaphrodites and transexuals.

Ok. Go.

you are the one seeing bisexual peopel as sluty.. I,m pansexual and I never thought of bisexual people as slutty..

Heterosexual are people who are interested by the physical apearance of the oposite sex.
Homosexual are people who are interested by the physical apearance of the same sex.
Bisexual are just people who are interested by both physical apearance of each sex.

it's just a matter of preferance..

to me been pansexual is just to not place my personnal interest in the physical appearce of the other person as a trait to choosing someone...
To me, been either Hetero, homo or bi is like saying you don't actually like the other person, you just like their body... If you liked someone, the body shouldn't matter..

Maybe i,m not using the right word to explain what I am but pansexual was the word with the description the nearest to what I am that I could find..

[La Veuve Zin]

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La Veuve Zin

Friend Of The Squids

rolleyes Okay, wow. Seriously guys, it's not that complicated. I'm pansexual. Pansexual basically means you are attracted, both sexually and emotionally, to all genders, sexes, combinations and variations of the genders and sexes, transgendered people of all types, hermaphrodites and androgynes.

You haven't explained how this is different from being an open-minded bisexual.

If you like chocolate ice cream, vanilla ice cream, and chocolate and vanilla swirled together, how many ice cream flavors do you like?