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i guess i don't kno enough about abortion to feel too strongly about it, but from what i do know, this is my opinion: personally i don't think it's necessarily wrong. if you're going to give birth to a child you don't want, isn't it more merciful not to have it?


You're basically arguing for infanticidal mercy killings.
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Would you abort a child if
The proper term would be fetus not child as a child has not yet been created; merely a vessel that holds no soul or recognition of individual thought capability at this point of development. So, fetus- not child!

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you knew for certain it was going to be run over by a car before the age of 13 (18?)
you knew it was going to have autism
a very severe case of autism
if the father left and doesn't give child care
I'm going to ignore these questions as they have not been fully thought out obviously. There is not a way(or at least not one accessible to common folk) one can know what their fetus will develop into health wise nor is there a guaranteed way to how others will react to the circumstance after the birth of the developed form.

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if it were the result of a rape
Personally, yes I would rid myself of the wretched parasite if such an even were to occur and result in this manner. No one deserves to be forced to bear the weight (both physically and mentally) of carrying a reminder of a moment that haunts them if they are not wanting to do so.

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if you didn't have enough money.
Money would not have a say in whether or not I would abort a fetus if I were to ever have one develop in me.

To summarize- I am one hundred percent supportive of Pro-Choice concepts. A women (or girl) should always be in full control of their decision of whether or not they want to keep the fetus and allow it to grow into what one day could become a child after birth. There are cases in which it is not safe for a woman to go through pregnancy and childbirth because of their physical health condition or capability; and there are cases in which it is not psychologically recommended for women to go through it either. Take a moment to research briefly on tokophobia if you are unsure of cases in which it wouldn't be psychologically best for a woman (with tokophobia to a certain degree) to do so.
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Would you abort a child if
The proper term would be fetus not child as a child has not yet been created; merely a vessel that holds no soul or recognition of individual thought capability at this point of development. So, fetus- not child!


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The proper term would be fetus not child as a child has not yet been created; merely a vessel that holds no soul or recognition of individual thought capability at this point of development.


What if the mind was the brain and therefore undergoing development when in the mother's womb?
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Would you abort a child if
The proper term would be fetus not child as a child has not yet been created; merely a vessel that holds no soul or recognition of individual thought capability at this point of development. So, fetus- not child!


Prove it.


The OP asked for us to give our individual responses in the manner of independent thoughts and opinions. I am merely stating what stance I take and believe in on the matter. No explanation is needed as this is not a debate forum; supporting evidence is not pertinent to give a valid expression of belief.
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The proper term would be fetus not child as a child has not yet been created; merely a vessel that holds no soul or recognition of individual thought capability at this point of development.


What if the mind was the brain and therefore undergoing development when in the mother's womb?


It is possible for that to be a connection between mind and brain; however this has yet to be scientifically proven so I do not see the two as a bound connection at this point and time. Philosophically speaking the mind, body, and soul are separated- this could be seen as the brain itself as a physical portion of the body is still separate from the rest of the three. It's all a matter of perspective and assumption.
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Would you abort a child if
The proper term would be fetus not child as a child has not yet been created; merely a vessel that holds no soul or recognition of individual thought capability at this point of development. So, fetus- not child!


Prove it.


The OP asked for us to give our individual responses in the manner of independent thoughts and opinions. I am merely stating what stance I take and believe in on the matter. No explanation is needed as this is not a debate forum; supporting evidence is not pertinent to give a valid expression of belief.


Are you willing to admit that your statement was absurd or do I really have to explain it to you?
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Would you abort a child if
The proper term would be fetus not child as a child has not yet been created; merely a vessel that holds no soul or recognition of individual thought capability at this point of development. So, fetus- not child!


Prove it.


The OP asked for us to give our individual responses in the manner of independent thoughts and opinions. I am merely stating what stance I take and believe in on the matter. No explanation is needed as this is not a debate forum; supporting evidence is not pertinent to give a valid expression of belief.


Are you willing to admit that your statement was absurd or do I really have to explain it to you?


It's not your place to tell me that my view on the matter is wrong as everyone is entitled to their own opinion? Now, are you willing to behave like a civil person or are you planning on continuing the immature act of harassing me just because I have a differing view on the matter than you do. I am not saying that your opinion, belief or view is wrong or any less pertinent than my own- I happen to respect others choices and beliefs and will not call them "absurd" as you have chosen to call mine. I do not need an explanation as I can infer where you were going with this since the moment you asked for me to "prove it." I suggest you not waste your time and energy on this matter and learn to respect what others may believe for if you do not do so it is likely that people will not respect yours just because of how you treat theirs.

Now please, stop spamming this forum as I am sure the OP would like to have room for others to give their views on the posed questions.
Would you abort a child if
you knew for certain it was going to be run over by a car before the age of 13 (18?)
No

you knew it was going to have autism
Maybe or put it up for adoption

a very severe case of autism
Maybe or put it up for adoption

if the father left and doesn't give child care
No

if it were the result of a rape
Maybe or put it up for adoption

if you didn't have enough money.
No, I'd probably put it up for adoption

I think abortion should be kept a personal decision. There are all these people ragging on women who have had an abortion but they never consider their positions. From a moral stand point, it's wrong to get rid of a life but is it right to give birth to a child who may not necessarily be provided for? Is it right to force a mother to give birth to a child she can't necessarily take care of? I don't think so.
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Would you abort a child if
The proper term would be fetus not child as a child has not yet been created; merely a vessel that holds no soul or recognition of individual thought capability at this point of development. So, fetus- not child!


Prove it.


The OP asked for us to give our individual responses in the manner of independent thoughts and opinions. I am merely stating what stance I take and believe in on the matter. No explanation is needed as this is not a debate forum; supporting evidence is not pertinent to give a valid expression of belief.


Are you willing to admit that your statement was absurd or do I really have to explain it to you?


It's not your place to tell me that my view on the matter is wrong as everyone is entitled to their own opinion? Now, are you willing to behave like a civil person or are you planning on continuing the immature act of harassing me just because I have a differing view on the matter than you do. I am not saying that your opinion, belief or view is wrong or any less pertinent than my own- I happen to respect others choices and beliefs and will not call them "absurd" as you have chosen to call mine. I do not need an explanation as I can infer where you were going with this since the moment you asked for me to "prove it." I suggest you not waste your time and energy on this matter and learn to respect what others may believe for if you do not do so it is likely that people will not respect yours just because of how you treat theirs.

Now please, stop spamming this forum as I am sure the OP would like to have room for others to give their views on the posed questions.


I have to explain it then?

First of all you've made the decision that a pregnancy can only be aborted if it is at the foetal stage, not before nor after. You have decided that the distinction between foetus and child is the acquisition of a soul and "recognition of individual thought capability".

You have, without any discussion, determined the meaning of a piece of previously defined terminology and done so relying upon a non-defined category.

I'll give you an opportunity to voice your opinion and to redeem your quasi-argument. At what point or through what means does a proto-human vessel acquire a soul and how did you come to know this?
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Prove it.


The OP asked for us to give our individual responses in the manner of independent thoughts and opinions. I am merely stating what stance I take and believe in on the matter. No explanation is needed as this is not a debate forum; supporting evidence is not pertinent to give a valid expression of belief.


Are you willing to admit that your statement was absurd or do I really have to explain it to you?


It's not your place to tell me that my view on the matter is wrong as everyone is entitled to their own opinion? Now, are you willing to behave like a civil person or are you planning on continuing the immature act of harassing me just because I have a differing view on the matter than you do. I am not saying that your opinion, belief or view is wrong or any less pertinent than my own- I happen to respect others choices and beliefs and will not call them "absurd" as you have chosen to call mine. I do not need an explanation as I can infer where you were going with this since the moment you asked for me to "prove it." I suggest you not waste your time and energy on this matter and learn to respect what others may believe for if you do not do so it is likely that people will not respect yours just because of how you treat theirs.

Now please, stop spamming this forum as I am sure the OP would like to have room for others to give their views on the posed questions.


I have to explain it then?

First of all you've made the decision that a pregnancy can only be aborted if it is at the foetal stage, not before nor after. You have decided that the distinction between foetus and child is the acquisition of a soul and "recognition of individual thought capability".

You have, without any discussion, determined the meaning of a piece of previously defined terminology and done so relying upon a non-defined category.

I'll give you an opportunity to voice your opinion and to redeem your quasi-argument. At what point or through what means does a proto-human vessel acquire a soul and how did you come to know this?

A soul is a religious invention. Who is to say anyone has a soul? Your argument is weak and based on religion, like most abortion arguments. Make it secular.
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A soul is a religious invention. Who is to say anyone has a soul? Your argument is weak and based on religion, like most abortion arguments. Make it secular.


You're confusing me for the person who introduced the category of the soul, I'm the one secularising the argument.
Would you abort a child if...

you knew for certain it was going to be run over by a car before the age of 13 (18?)
How can you know that?

you knew it was going to have autism/ a very severe case of autism
You can't know that before the baby is born. Even then it takes time to discover autism.

if the father left and doesn't give child care
He needs to support you one way or another. Well, in Belgium the law is very clear about that, I don't know what it is like in other countries.

if it were the result of a rape
I think I would abort. I would probably be very depressed by the rape and stuff, having a child would kill me I guess

if you didn't have enough money
Let the baby be born and put it up for adoption to people who can't have children
I think the only cases in which an abortion would be permissible would be in the case incest, rape, or the child having an overwhelming chance of being born with severe defects. Rape and incest are capital crimes in some places and no one should be forced to bear a child as a result of either. As for the child having an overwhelming chance of being born with severe defects, I wouldn't stop the mother from having an abortion. It's better to put the child down painlessly and quietly before they're born than have him/her go through hell every single day of their life.
I personally would opt for abortion no matter the circumstance at this particular point in my life, because I am not ready for a child and pregnancy scares the Hell out of me.

This would be much more interesting if you brought up points such as:

If you had conjoined twins that would die if one wasn't aborted?

If giving birth would either kill the child or it had very little chance of surviving once it was born?

If you found out you had cancer and in order to get treatment you needed to abort?

Pregnancy is not always the smooth sailing pro-lifers often think it is, and I'm 100% pro-choice in that I believe a woman should control her pregnancy whether it's abort, adopt, or keep.

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