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I've noticed a recent increase in the amount of discussion about this issue lately. I'm more inclined to consider ***** as a orientation that a fetish. I think child molestation can be a fetish that even non-***** can become interested in, but an orientation is different. An orientation is the result of years of development and by and large is set by the time a person exits puberty. Sexuality is consistent and unalterable. There is no evidence that ***** can be "cured" or that it is linked to any sort of mental disorder, so I view it as a sexuality.
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Both? Seeing as how an orientation may not always be acted on, and so remains just an orientation until it crosses over into the physical, in which case it becomes a fetish.

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So I used to be friends with someone in the mental health profession, and I asked him about this once. He told me that it isn't an orientation type deal, that when someone develops an affinity for children it's because of trauma they endured as children.

Something about mental sexual development halting when a kid is sexually traumatized, themselves. Don't ask me, though - I only know that that's what he told me.



It's not hard to believe that he was abused in his youth.
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So I used to be friends with someone in the mental health profession, and I asked him about this once. He told me that it isn't an orientation type deal, that when someone develops an affinity for children it's because of trauma they endured as children.

Something about mental sexual development halting when a kid is sexually traumatized, themselves. Don't ask me, though - I only know that that's what he told me.


And I guess the assumption is that if you can address the trauma you can "cure" the *****? Well I know for a fact that not all ***** were abused as a child so there are definitely other developmental factors in play.
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Wikipedia defines it as a psychological disorder. I'm, personally, extremely disgusted by *****. Mostly because I've seen too much of it first hand with people who are obsessed with the japanese loli porn.
I don't think it's an orientation, but rather a fetish verging on disorder. I'm inclined to believe it's probably because of some trauma in childhood, rather that's sexual abuse or not. I feel I may be slightly biased because of my hate for it, but I still wouldn't want to associate with anybody who's a *****.
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Wikipedia defines it as a psychological disorder. I'm, personally, extremely disgusted by *****. Mostly because I've seen too much of it first hand with people who are obsessed with the japanese loli porn.
I don't think it's an orientation, but rather a fetish verging on disorder. I'm inclined to believe it's probably because of some trauma in childhood, rather that's sexual abuse or not. I feel I may be slightly biased because of my hate for it, but I still wouldn't want to associate with anybody who's a *****]

May I ask what caused you to have such an extreme hatred of *****? You mentioned you have experience with people who are obsessed with loli porn but how does this translate into a more generalized hate? I've known ***** who have been perfectly normal individuals and I saw no reason to hate them on a personal level, much less as a group.
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Wikipedia defines it as a psychological disorder. I'm, personally, extremely disgusted by *****. Mostly because I've seen too much of it first hand with people who are obsessed with the japanese loli porn.
I don't think it's an orientation, but rather a fetish verging on disorder. I'm inclined to believe it's probably because of some trauma in childhood, rather that's sexual abuse or not. I feel I may be slightly biased because of my hate for it, but I still wouldn't want to associate with anybody who's a *****]

May I ask what caused you to have such an extreme hatred of *****? You mentioned you have experience with people who are obsessed with loli porn but how does this translate into a more generalized hate? I've known ***** who have been perfectly normal individuals and I saw no reason to hate them on a personal level, much less as a group.

Ive known friends who were molested as children. It ******** people up beyond belief. I remember in middle school a girl, who I didnt know, had broken down sobbing and unable to compose herself because the teacher had asked if she had been molested before. I didn't see it first hand but the rumors had flown right after class got out. another time was a friend who went through a lot of therapy to try and get over being molested as a kid, it really messed her up. That on top of seeing people who are obsessed with cartoon images of little girls being screwed, it just gives somebody a hatred.
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Wikipedia defines it as a psychological disorder. I'm, personally, extremely disgusted by *****. Mostly because I've seen too much of it first hand with people who are obsessed with the japanese loli porn.
I don't think it's an orientation, but rather a fetish verging on disorder. I'm inclined to believe it's probably because of some trauma in childhood, rather that's sexual abuse or not. I feel I may be slightly biased because of my hate for it, but I still wouldn't want to associate with anybody who's a *****]

May I ask what caused you to have such an extreme hatred of *****? You mentioned you have experience with people who are obsessed with loli porn but how does this translate into a more generalized hate? I've known ***** who have been perfectly normal individuals and I saw no reason to hate them on a personal level, much less as a group.

Ive known friends who were molested as children. It ******** people up beyond belief. I remember in middle school a girl, who I didnt know, had broken down sobbing and unable to compose herself because the teacher had asked if she had been molested before. I didn't see it first hand but the rumors had flown right after class got out. another time was a friend who went through a lot of therapy to try and get over being molested as a kid, it really messed her up. That on top of seeing people who are obsessed with cartoon images of little girls being screwed, it just gives somebody a hatred.


I can understand where that sort of mindset, but you have to understand that ***** and child molestors are not synonymous. ***** are able to control themselves and most would be disgusted by the thought of harming a real child. I can understand where the hate comes from. Society likes to equate all ***** with child molesters, but this is a false comparison.
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I think that depends. If by ***** you're referring to someone over the age of 18 being with someone under the age of 14 then I would say it's probably a mental orientation due to an extreme circumstance that happened when they were first developing their sexual awareness.

If you're talking someone in their early to late twenties being attracted to someone in their mid to late teenage years 14-17 (I would also include 18 and 19 but you said *****) then I would say it's more of an orientation. Personally I think there becomes a point where attraction to someone younger than you becomes absolutely wrong.

Of course, that may just be my own justification for currently being interested in a girl who is in her mid teens while I'm in my early 20's. Now, three years ago I was purely attracted to older women, so, somehow I believe that it wasn't something that happened during my early stages of sexual development which altered my brain somehow. I think it's more along the lines of emotional needs, I need someone who will be emotionally attached to me and teens 13-17 seem to crave the attention of older men and women and want to meet their emotional needs. Sex is just sex to me though, which is why I think it has less to do with a "young banging body" and more to do with that need for someone to be emotionally attached to me.

Though honestly I'm curious about my own predicament and others takes on it, so feel free to message me, or quote me about it. I'm not particularly comfortable being attracted to someone who I cannot legally have sex with.
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By definition, it's considered a psychosexual disorder.
As for it being a sexual orientation? I don't know if I can call it that. A fetish? Most probably.
The latter.
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I think the words "orientation" and even "fetish" aren't very accurate in their definitions of sexuality.

"Preference" I think is a better term, since it has much broader connotations from what gender you prefer to what position to what paraphernalia etc.

I think different people are sexually stimulated by the idea of sex with children for different reasons.

For example, I think people attracted to anime-style lolis aren't necessarily ***** because what they're attracted to doesn't actually exist. Actual children don't look like that and they certainly don't act like that. There are certainly genuine ***** and predators who like loli-con, but they like it for slightly different reasons and motivations.

You have to figure out what the person is attracted to about the concept.

Some people just like the proportions and features, hence why most women in anime look MUCH younger than the ages they are given. This extends to more abstract characters who are supernatural creatures to thousand year old aliens and etc.

It's purely an aesthetic sexual attraction, not necessarily an attraction to actual children. If a character who looked like a loli but was in fact a mature adult capable of consenting I think many of these loli-con's would be happy having that character as their "waifu", most probably even prefer that.

For others, they are predators who get off on the pain they can cause in a child sexual partner.

They don't want a willing partner, they want a pure and innocent child to corrupt and take advantage of. The sexual thrill comes from exerting their power over these children.

Perhaps there are some who pursue sexual relationships with children and don't want to hurt them, but it seems most actual sexual predators are extreme sadists and physically and psychologically torturing their victims is a major part of their sexual gratification.

I'm open to the idea that not everyone who finds themselves attracted to children or child characters are total monsters, but when the line is crossed into actually having sex with a child, it's simply unacceptable.
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So I used to be friends with someone in the mental health profession, and I asked him about this once. He told me that it isn't an orientation type deal, that when someone develops an affinity for children it's because of trauma they endured as children.

Something about mental sexual development halting when a kid is sexually traumatized, themselves. Don't ask me, though - I only know that that's what he told me.


And I guess the assumption is that if you can address the trauma you can "cure" the *****? Well I know for a fact that not all ***** were abused as a child so there are definitely other developmental factors in play.

Hope I didn't imply that all cases were because of sexual trauma in childhood, or anything, but yeah. That's just what I was told by him. And from what I read it seems to be pretty true, but I'm not a *****. I guess I really wouldn't know.

I also didn't say anything about "curing" it or whatever, but assuming somebody likes children, professional help might not always be a bad idea.

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I think it can be either. It can also be an orientation but become a fetish, or vice versa.

You could be attracted to children and see them as human beings, just with the sexual attraction being a bonus, which would be the Orientation.

Or, you could be attracted to all children, the idea of a child, the idea of childhood itself, and see the child more as a sexual object, which would be a child fetish.

If you're asking whether it's a choice or can be changed, let me ask you this: Who would really truly want to be the most persecuted and hated sexual minority? I'm sure many ***** would take the magic pill to change themselves if they could.

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