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Okay, so I heard someone report a an attempted rape to the bus driver and I figured out who the person is who did it, still though nothing was done about the incident I told the victim of it to report it to the cops she didn't though (I know because I saw the person who tried to do it to her on the bus on the way home today) . So I figured I will call her today and get her admitting it on video to have proof she said what he did, and who it was. Any advice on how to make her admit it to me? Because I don't want her to have to deal with his cruel ways anymore or him doing to anyone else, and my bus driver is so stupid her signed seat is like so close to his signed seat. Btw, I am not going to tell the authorities who the person on the tape is, the one that is confessing who attempted to rape her,
 
     
 
Just tell her that you care enough about her to want something done about it. Tell her you understand how embarrassing it is and how she must feel terrible, but if something isn't done then the b*****d will just do it again, and it may be to her. Keep your voice calm and quiet, don't yell or talk too fast. Just tell her you want to help her and that she needs to report it. If she won't do it, then she should at least let you help.
     
     
 
I do not necessarily agree, Miss Rose, with you or the OP.

Perhaps it is not the business of anyone but the two individuals directly involved? It is admirable of you to wish to help, but perhaps help is not wanted or needed. Please keep in mind that respectable intentions do not justify any meddling. It is not your business. If advice is wanted, then give it, but that nor help was requested by the female individual. Any actions by an outsider are disrespectful, and, unfortunately, foolish.
 
     
 
Jeorg
I do not necessarily agree, Miss Rose, with you or the OP.

Perhaps it is not the business of anyone but the two individuals directly involved? It is admirable of you to wish to help, but perhaps help is not wanted or needed. Please keep in mind that respectable intentions do not justify any meddling. It is not your business. If advice is wanted, then give it, but that nor help was requested by the female individual. Any actions by an outsider are disrespectful, and, unfortunately, foolish.

No, it's not. I have been a victim of abuse, so I know that sometimes, it will continue, continue and continue over and over again. So I know I NEED to do something about her situation, and maybe if she knew how much I understand, and how un-judgmental I am about her situation and about what I have gone through me knowing what she has gone through is not embarrassing at all to her. Sometimes people need to get embarrassed to stop future abuse. The person who attempted to rape her, might just need to learn how to cope with the abuse he faced , and plus I am scared of what he might do to me, he questions my age, and tells me he wants to have sex with me, and asks me if I ever sexed anyone the way he wants to sex me, and if I like having sex that way, and then says ALL females like having sex like that way, when I say I am never going to sex anyone like that! That is definitely an indicator I might be his NEXT victim. I am not just going to wait around and let him abuse others more. I am going to do something about the situation!
     
Nicolaes Rose
Just tell her that you care enough about her to want something done about it. Tell her you understand how embarrassing it is and how she must feel terrible, but if something isn't done then the b*****d will just do it again, and it may be to her. Keep your voice calm and quiet, don't yell or talk too fast. Just tell her you want to help her and that she needs to report it. If she won't do it, then she should at least let you help.

Hmm..maybe, all though if she knows I want to report what happened she might be more hesitant to tell me, about the situation.
 
     
     
 
Shattered_Blood_Molecules
Jeorg
I do not necessarily agree, Miss Rose, with you or the OP.

Perhaps it is not the business of anyone but the two individuals directly involved? It is admirable of you to wish to help, but perhaps help is not wanted or needed. Please keep in mind that respectable intentions do not justify any meddling. It is not your business. If advice is wanted, then give it, but that nor help was requested by the female individual. Any actions by an outsider are disrespectful, and, unfortunately, foolish.

No, it's not. I have been a victim of abuse, so I know that sometimes, it will continue, continue and continue over and over again. So I know I NEED to do something about her situation, and maybe if she knew how much I understand, and how un-judgmental I am about her situation and about what I have gone through me knowing what she has gone through is not embarrassing at all to her. Sometimes people need to get embarrassed to stop future abuse. The person who attempted to rape her, might just need to learn how to cope with the abuse he faced , and plus I am scared of what he might do to me, he questions my age, and tells me he wants to have sex with me, and asks me if I ever sexed anyone the way he wants to sex me, and if I like having sex that way, and then says ALL females like having sex like that way, when I say I am never going to sex anyone like that! That is definitely an indicator I might be his NEXT victim. I am not just going to wait around and let him abuse others more. I am going to do something about the situation!


That is respectable, but trapping another victim is not. By all means, handle the situation as you see fit, but I find it incorrect to shame another victim for your own well-being or another's. Means does not necessarily justify an end, and you are dangerously close to victimising a victim to whom you relate. What you were proposing with the video was ludicrous.
 
     
Jeorg
Shattered_Blood_Molecules
Jeorg
I do not necessarily agree, Miss Rose, with you or the OP.

Perhaps it is not the business of anyone but the two individuals directly involved? It is admirable of you to wish to help, but perhaps help is not wanted or needed. Please keep in mind that respectable intentions do not justify any meddling. It is not your business. If advice is wanted, then give it, but that nor help was requested by the female individual. Any actions by an outsider are disrespectful, and, unfortunately, foolish.

No, it's not. I have been a victim of abuse, so I know that sometimes, it will continue, continue and continue over and over again. So I know I NEED to do something about her situation, and maybe if she knew how much I understand, and how un-judgmental I am about her situation and about what I have gone through me knowing what she has gone through is not embarrassing at all to her. Sometimes people need to get embarrassed to stop future abuse. The person who attempted to rape her, might just need to learn how to cope with the abuse he faced , and plus I am scared of what he might do to me, he questions my age, and tells me he wants to have sex with me, and asks me if I ever sexed anyone the way he wants to sex me, and if I like having sex that way, and then says ALL females like having sex like that way, when I say I am never going to sex anyone like that! That is definitely an indicator I might be his NEXT victim. I am not just going to wait around and let him abuse others more. I am going to do something about the situation!


That is respectable, but trapping another victim is not. By all means, handle the situation as you see fit, but I find it incorrect to shame another victim for your own well-being or another's. Means does not necessarily justify an end, and you are dangerously close to victimising a victim to whom you relate. What you were proposing with the video was ludicrous.

It makes no sense when you say I might victimize someone. it's not like I would ever harm her badly. Sometimes people need to deal with shame, to protect themselves. I am sure she would rather me knowing some of her business other than getting victimized by that person who attempted to rape her. What I have planned to do with the video is not stupid in the least bit, because if it can help prove I am not making it up it is worth it.
 
     
     
 
Shattered_Blood_Molecules
Jeorg
Shattered_Blood_Molecules
Jeorg
I do not necessarily agree, Miss Rose, with you or the OP.

Perhaps it is not the business of anyone but the two individuals directly involved? It is admirable of you to wish to help, but perhaps help is not wanted or needed. Please keep in mind that respectable intentions do not justify any meddling. It is not your business. If advice is wanted, then give it, but that nor help was requested by the female individual. Any actions by an outsider are disrespectful, and, unfortunately, foolish.

No, it's not. I have been a victim of abuse, so I know that sometimes, it will continue, continue and continue over and over again. So I know I NEED to do something about her situation, and maybe if she knew how much I understand, and how un-judgmental I am about her situation and about what I have gone through me knowing what she has gone through is not embarrassing at all to her. Sometimes people need to get embarrassed to stop future abuse. The person who attempted to rape her, might just need to learn how to cope with the abuse he faced , and plus I am scared of what he might do to me, he questions my age, and tells me he wants to have sex with me, and asks me if I ever sexed anyone the way he wants to sex me, and if I like having sex that way, and then says ALL females like having sex like that way, when I say I am never going to sex anyone like that! That is definitely an indicator I might be his NEXT victim. I am not just going to wait around and let him abuse others more. I am going to do something about the situation!


That is respectable, but trapping another victim is not. By all means, handle the situation as you see fit, but I find it incorrect to shame another victim for your own well-being or another's. Means does not necessarily justify an end, and you are dangerously close to victimising a victim to whom you relate. What you were proposing with the video was ludicrous.

It makes no sense when you say I might victimize someone. it's not like I would ever harm her badly. Sometimes people need to deal with shame, to protect themselves. I am sure she would rather me knowing some of her business other than getting victimized by that person who attempted to rape her. What I have planned to do with the video is not stupid in the least bit, because if it can help prove I am not making it up it is worth it.


I would not agree. Shame is necessary, but should be self-inflicted- never my an outsider that does understand when it is time.

You are attempting to capture, on video, a confession from a rape victim to be displayed to an authoritative figure. This is done without the direct consent of the victim, instead resorting to trickery and manipulation. Also, it is done to be made semi-public, for the sake of others, and may damage the original victim due to the process by which her confession was taken and by the fact that she herself is not releasing it, or handling the concept of it being released.

Your methods are shameful, ridiculous, and should be crushed.
 
     
Jeorg
Shattered_Blood_Molecules
Jeorg
Shattered_Blood_Molecules
Jeorg
I do not necessarily agree, Miss Rose, with you or the OP.

Perhaps it is not the business of anyone but the two individuals directly involved? It is admirable of you to wish to help, but perhaps help is not wanted or needed. Please keep in mind that respectable intentions do not justify any meddling. It is not your business. If advice is wanted, then give it, but that nor help was requested by the female individual. Any actions by an outsider are disrespectful, and, unfortunately, foolish.

No, it's not. I have been a victim of abuse, so I know that sometimes, it will continue, continue and continue over and over again. So I know I NEED to do something about her situation, and maybe if she knew how much I understand, and how un-judgmental I am about her situation and about what I have gone through me knowing what she has gone through is not embarrassing at all to her. Sometimes people need to get embarrassed to stop future abuse. The person who attempted to rape her, might just need to learn how to cope with the abuse he faced , and plus I am scared of what he might do to me, he questions my age, and tells me he wants to have sex with me, and asks me if I ever sexed anyone the way he wants to sex me, and if I like having sex that way, and then says ALL females like having sex like that way, when I say I am never going to sex anyone like that! That is definitely an indicator I might be his NEXT victim. I am not just going to wait around and let him abuse others more. I am going to do something about the situation!


That is respectable, but trapping another victim is not. By all means, handle the situation as you see fit, but I find it incorrect to shame another victim for your own well-being or another's. Means does not necessarily justify an end, and you are dangerously close to victimising a victim to whom you relate. What you were proposing with the video was ludicrous.

It makes no sense when you say I might victimize someone. it's not like I would ever harm her badly. Sometimes people need to deal with shame, to protect themselves. I am sure she would rather me knowing some of her business other than getting victimized by that person who attempted to rape her. What I have planned to do with the video is not stupid in the least bit, because if it can help prove I am not making it up it is worth it.


I would not agree. Shame is necessary, but should be self-inflicted- never my an outsider that does understand when it is time.

You are attempting to capture, on video, a confession from a rape victim to be displayed to an authoritative figure. This is done without the direct consent of the victim, instead resorting to trickery and manipulation. Also, it is done to be made semi-public, for the sake of others, and may damage the original victim due to the process by which her confession was taken and by the fact that she herself is not releasing it, or handling the concept of it being released.

Your methods are shameful, ridiculous, and should be crushed.

i am doing it so she does not get harmed by him again, because the next time he harms her he might rape her, and to save myself from him and others. So, what I am doing has a moral purpose along with it. She might have to deal with some unpleasant emotions caused by me for a while, in the end though, what I did to cause those unpleasant feeling will be for the best.
 
     
     
 
Shattered_Blood_Molecules
Jeorg
Shattered_Blood_Molecules
Jeorg
Shattered_Blood_Molecules
Jeorg
I do not necessarily agree, Miss Rose, with you or the OP.

Perhaps it is not the business of anyone but the two individuals directly involved? It is admirable of you to wish to help, but perhaps help is not wanted or needed. Please keep in mind that respectable intentions do not justify any meddling. It is not your business. If advice is wanted, then give it, but that nor help was requested by the female individual. Any actions by an outsider are disrespectful, and, unfortunately, foolish.

No, it's not. I have been a victim of abuse, so I know that sometimes, it will continue, continue and continue over and over again. So I know I NEED to do something about her situation, and maybe if she knew how much I understand, and how un-judgmental I am about her situation and about what I have gone through me knowing what she has gone through is not embarrassing at all to her. Sometimes people need to get embarrassed to stop future abuse. The person who attempted to rape her, might just need to learn how to cope with the abuse he faced , and plus I am scared of what he might do to me, he questions my age, and tells me he wants to have sex with me, and asks me if I ever sexed anyone the way he wants to sex me, and if I like having sex that way, and then says ALL females like having sex like that way, when I say I am never going to sex anyone like that! That is definitely an indicator I might be his NEXT victim. I am not just going to wait around and let him abuse others more. I am going to do something about the situation!


That is respectable, but trapping another victim is not. By all means, handle the situation as you see fit, but I find it incorrect to shame another victim for your own well-being or another's. Means does not necessarily justify an end, and you are dangerously close to victimising a victim to whom you relate. What you were proposing with the video was ludicrous.

It makes no sense when you say I might victimize someone. it's not like I would ever harm her badly. Sometimes people need to deal with shame, to protect themselves. I am sure she would rather me knowing some of her business other than getting victimized by that person who attempted to rape her. What I have planned to do with the video is not stupid in the least bit, because if it can help prove I am not making it up it is worth it.


I would not agree. Shame is necessary, but should be self-inflicted- never my an outsider that does understand when it is time.

You are attempting to capture, on video, a confession from a rape victim to be displayed to an authoritative figure. This is done without the direct consent of the victim, instead resorting to trickery and manipulation. Also, it is done to be made semi-public, for the sake of others, and may damage the original victim due to the process by which her confession was taken and by the fact that she herself is not releasing it, or handling the concept of it being released.

Your methods are shameful, ridiculous, and should be crushed.

i am doing it so she does not get harmed by him again, because the next time he harms her he might rape her, and to save myself from him and others. So, what I am doing has a moral purpose along with it. She might have to deal with some unpleasant emotions caused by me for a while, in the end though, what I did to cause those unpleasant feeling will be for the best.


Incorrect. It will be in the best interest of potential victims, and I feel that you are trying to justify actions intended for your own self interest as morally sound. That is not the case.

'Unpleasant emotions' hardly begins to cover the issue at hand. You are victimising her in order to keep yourself from the same fate. She will suffer unbearably by your hand.

There are other ways to go about this, but you are not considering them. I am not condemning your goal, but rather your method. It is disgusting. You are not being a friend in the slightest, but an abusive manipulator. I encourage what you are looking to accomplish, but do not shame yourself as well as her in the process. If you continue with your intentions, it will not be 'for the best', it will be another crime that should be dealt with as you are looking to have the male dealt with.

All I am trying to convey is find another way. That is all. You, however, refuse to be diverted from your manipulations and sadistic behaviours.
 
     
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If you want to try to talk to her and to explain to her why you think she should tell the authorities what happened to her, that's one thing. But to video tape her confessing her story is a whole other. If she doesn't want to, you just have to respect her privacy. I've been a victim of abuse myself and I can tell you that if someone recorded me sharing my story and then sent it to the authorities I'd be mad as hell. And depending on what happens from there, I might even take legal action against that person.
Honestly I think you have good intentions, but ultimately it's not your decision to make. The poor woman is more than likely traumatized, and doing what you proposed will only make her even more stressed out. Secretly video taping her is NOT the way to go. She should be able to make the decision of whether or not to tell the authorities if and when she is ready. By taking that choice away from her, you're only "abusing" her more.
 
     
 
Jeorg
Shattered_Blood_Molecules
Jeorg
Shattered_Blood_Molecules
Jeorg


That is respectable, but trapping another victim is not. By all means, handle the situation as you see fit, but I find it incorrect to shame another victim for your own well-being or another's. Means does not necessarily justify an end, and you are dangerously close to victimising a victim to whom you relate. What you were proposing with the video was ludicrous.

It makes no sense when you say I might victimize someone. it's not like I would ever harm her badly. Sometimes people need to deal with shame, to protect themselves. I am sure she would rather me knowing some of her business other than getting victimized by that person who attempted to rape her. What I have planned to do with the video is not stupid in the least bit, because if it can help prove I am not making it up it is worth it.


I would not agree. Shame is necessary, but should be self-inflicted- never my an outsider that does understand when it is time.

You are attempting to capture, on video, a confession from a rape victim to be displayed to an authoritative figure. This is done without the direct consent of the victim, instead resorting to trickery and manipulation. Also, it is done to be made semi-public, for the sake of others, and may damage the original victim due to the process by which her confession was taken and by the fact that she herself is not releasing it, or handling the concept of it being released.

Your methods are shameful, ridiculous, and should be crushed.

i am doing it so she does not get harmed by him again, because the next time he harms her he might rape her, and to save myself from him and others. So, what I am doing has a moral purpose along with it. She might have to deal with some unpleasant emotions caused by me for a while, in the end though, what I did to cause those unpleasant feeling will be for the best.


Incorrect. It will be in the best interest of potential victims, and I feel that you are trying to justify actions intended for your own self interest as morally sound. That is not the case.

'Unpleasant emotions' hardly begins to cover the issue at hand. You are victimising her in order to keep yourself from the same fate. She will suffer unbearably by your hand.

There are other ways to go about this, but you are not considering them. I am not condemning your goal, but rather your method. It is disgusting. You are not being a friend in the slightest, but an abusive manipulator. I encourage what you are looking to accomplish, but do not shame yourself as well as her in the process. If you continue with your intentions, it will not be 'for the best', it will be another crime that should be dealt with as you are looking to have the male dealt with.
All I am trying to convey is find another way. That is all. You, however, refuse to be diverted from your manipulations and sadistic behaviours.


Ummm...maybe you don't get my plan my plan is to, get her to admit what he did to her on tape, and show it to the authority. There is nothing abusive about that.
     
Pheina
If you want to try to talk to her and to explain to her why you think she should tell the authorities what happened to her, that's one thing. But to video tape her confessing her story is a whole other. If she doesn't want to, you just have to respect her privacy. I've been a victim of abuse myself and I can tell you that if someone recorded me sharing my story and then sent it to the authorities I'd be mad as hell. And depending on what happens from there, I might even take legal action against that person.
Honestly I think you have good intentions, but ultimately it's not your decision to make. The poor woman is more than likely traumatized, and doing what you proposed will only make her even more stressed out. Secretly video taping her is NOT the way to go. She should be able to make the decision of whether or not to tell the authorities if and when she is ready. By taking that choice away from her, you're only "abusing" her more.

She hasn't reported what he has done to her in months except for the bus driver, and the bus driver did NOTHING about it. Within months NOTHING was done about it. She wont report it her self so now I am reporting it for her. It's not like I am going to have her share her story in vivid detail.
 
     
 
At the very least you should ask her if she'd like you to report her story.
Don't just go ahead and do it without her permission. It's her decision to make, not yours.
     

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Pheina
At the very least you should ask her if she'd like you to report her story.
Don't just go ahead and do it without her permission. It's her decision to make, not yours.

Sometimes, people think they know what to do when they do not. She might think I shouldn't report what he has done to her I have to though. Sometimes, people think they will be more embarrassed about a situation than they are.
 
     
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