Trading & the Art Community- loopholes & inaccurate requests

[Frigid Fork]

I totally agree with you.
I'm not an artist (having three shops in the services forum), but I feel your pain.
Right now the only way around that is to have people pay in advance (but most rules and guidelines advise against that /eyeroll).
So shop owners are screwed either way.

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The-Sacred-Fire

I totally agree with you.
I'm not an artist (having three shops in the services forum), but I feel your pain.
Right now the only way around that is to have people pay in advance (but most rules and guidelines advise against that /eyeroll).
So shop owners are screwed either way.

The artist or seller is left at a disadvantage with these sorts of things. Cancellations, or people disappearing means often we've wasted hours of our time, whereas if the seller cancels the buyer just gets their gold back. This loophole's just the tip of the iceberg really. And the worst part? The artist is completely powerless to stop this from happening. Really a reform of the way the minishops + subforums do business would be nice, but I can't think of a perfect way it would work. After some near misses myself I'm starting to get very risk averse. I don't want to ask for payment in advance, because the rules say not to, but equally I've proved myself to be reliable and trustworthy and am starting to think 'why the hell not?'

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[Miches]

The-Sacred-Fire

I totally agree with you.
I'm not an artist (having three shops in the services forum), but I feel your pain.
Right now the only way around that is to have people pay in advance (but most rules and guidelines advise against that /eyeroll).
So shop owners are screwed either way.

Just to comment, R&Gs advise against paying in advance because of the potential for scamming. I can tell you first hand that there are plenty of situations where customers actually pay in full and never receive final products which forces them to file scamming reports.

As for the overall topic of this thread, I can see how the static notices can cause problems but I'm not sure how much dev time would have to go into fixing this.

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Miches

The-Sacred-Fire

I totally agree with you.
I'm not an artist (having three shops in the services forum), but I feel your pain.
Right now the only way around that is to have people pay in advance (but most rules and guidelines advise against that /eyeroll).
So shop owners are screwed either way.

Just to comment, R&Gs advise against paying in advance because of the potential for scamming. I can tell you first hand that there are plenty of situations where customers actually pay in full and never receive final products which forces them to file scamming reports.

As for the overall topic of this thread, I can see how the static notices can cause problems but I'm not sure how much dev time would have to go into fixing this.

I said that.
I said quote: "but most rules and guidelines advise against that"

I hate it when people try to correct me when I know what I'm talking about. /scream

[Miches]

The-Sacred-Fire

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The-Sacred-Fire

I totally agree with you.
I'm not an artist (having three shops in the services forum), but I feel your pain.
Right now the only way around that is to have people pay in advance (but most rules and guidelines advise against that /eyeroll).
So shop owners are screwed either way.

Just to comment, R&Gs advise against paying in advance because of the potential for scamming. I can tell you first hand that there are plenty of situations where customers actually pay in full and never receive final products which forces them to file scamming reports.

As for the overall topic of this thread, I can see how the static notices can cause problems but I'm not sure how much dev time would have to go into fixing this.

I said that.
I said quote: "but most rules and guidelines advise against that"

I hate it when people try to correct me when I know what I'm talking about. /scream

I commented because you seemed to disagree based on the "/eyeroll" not because you did not know.

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Miches

The-Sacred-Fire

Miches

The-Sacred-Fire

I totally agree with you.
I'm not an artist (having three shops in the services forum), but I feel your pain.
Right now the only way around that is to have people pay in advance (but most rules and guidelines advise against that /eyeroll).
So shop owners are screwed either way.

Just to comment, R&Gs advise against paying in advance because of the potential for scamming. I can tell you first hand that there are plenty of situations where customers actually pay in full and never receive final products which forces them to file scamming reports.

As for the overall topic of this thread, I can see how the static notices can cause problems but I'm not sure how much dev time would have to go into fixing this.

I said that.
I said quote: "but most rules and guidelines advise against that"

I hate it when people try to correct me when I know what I'm talking about. /scream

I commented because you seemed to disagree based on the "/eyeroll" not because you did not know.

I do disagree. All the rules are set in place to protect the buyer. There isn't a lot protecting the artist or general shop owner.
Who really has more to lose though? If I screw someone over, hypothetically, they lose out on however much gold the trade was worth. But then I get reported, I lose my shop and all the future profit. Even if I'm not reported, I get a reputation, I probably lose my shop and all the future profit. There is a lot of intrinsic incentive for a shop owner to be honest.
But:
All the rules are to keep the shop owners in check and protect the consumer. "Don't misrepresent yourself" "don't complete trades in advance" s**t like that. What rules are there to protect the rest of us? Yes. We can report people who skip out on payment, but then we're out all that time and effort and out the gold (because since when does Gaia ever reimburse mini shop owners?).
These are my frustrations. This is why there's an eyeroll.
Do I understand it? Yes. Do I agree? Hell no.

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I have to agree with sacred here. The only way a commissioner can lose out is if they hand over their gold before they see anything. And if they do this comfortably without heeding the warnings in the rules and guidelines it is their own fault, unfortunate, but still down to them being too trusting. It is painfully easy to scam artists, by 'cancelling' in progress or completed commissions [in which I'll include the loophole] or switching accounts and the artist has no control over this. It's got to be the only scam on the site that isn't down to the victim being tricked in someway.

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