The GD: n***s, trolls, and misbehaviour, revised.

[mahi poi no ka oi]

And then the picture post forum/SF/Q&A/other important forum gets blammed with this. I don't think so man.

[xBillehx]

KawaiiKittenCalico

I think they should get the law involved instead. Get authorities to track down the people doing it and toss them in juvie. Maybe when they get a cold hard dose of reality they'll get a clue that breaking the rules isn't cute or funny, and that there are serious consequences.

Anymore kids are never taught that there are consequences to negative actions. They get away with anything and everything. That they get away with this with no lasting consequences isn't going to do any good. Delete their threads? They'll make new ones. Ban them? They'll make new accounts and brag about being banned. Arrest them? Maybe they'll finally get the idea.

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I think this is good. Those posting child porn and s**t need to be taken care of. I'm not going to defend those idiots, but I just cant see what preventing images for everyone else will do. It'll come up again in the form of links. It's entirely the user's fault if they click those links regardless of the warnings from gaia, just as it's the users fault if they see pictures like that. Gaia already has a filter you can set to see only whitelisted images. Because most people dont use it, they only have themselves to blame for what they see.

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[Atreides Zero]

Nymphaea Nouchali

KawaiiKittenCalico

I think they should get the law involved instead. Get authorities to track down the people doing it and toss them in juvie. Maybe when they get a cold hard dose of reality they'll get a clue that breaking the rules isn't cute or funny, and that there are serious consequences.

Anymore kids are never taught that there are consequences to negative actions. They get away with anything and everything. That they get away with this with no lasting consequences isn't going to do any good. Delete their threads? They'll make new ones. Ban them? They'll make new accounts and brag about being banned. Arrest them? Maybe they'll finally get the idea.

Sounds like you want to get Dateline NBC involved XP

Arresting them is much too extreme if only because the majority of people who are doing it in the first place are doing it for "the lulz" and are generally minors themselves. Do you honestly want to subject them to that? Plus you're also talking about a site in which there are people from all over the world; having a US law enforcement office barging in on another territory is obviously not a good thing nor is it even that easy to do so. And unfortunately not everyone typically learn their lesson that way.

Having said that, I agree that Gaia really needs to crack down on the GD and I like the OP's suggestion of disabling images altogether. Actually, make that links as well in order to prevent people from trying to bypass the rule.

I'm still on the edge about links, since in many cases links will harm actual discussion, but like you said (and I considered) just because people can't post images doesn't mean they won't still post the links. And without the actual images the links would be harder to catch since it would require people to actual click the link to verify that it was inappropriate material.

Maybe as the initial stage they eliminate links and after awhile try to slowly bring them back.


Or do like they do with the current image and build a white-list of 'safe' links such as redirects to news sites and other parts of the forums.

[Dr Jin Love]

The doctor will...

I don't see why not, in fact it's a good idea, better than hearing people want it deleted completely.

it's a fair loss to disable the images. At least the people who do enjoy that forum wouldn't have to worry about seeing porn.

...See you now

[KawaiiKittenCalico]

Atreides Zero

KawaiiKittenCalico

I think they should get the law involved instead. Get authorities to track down the people doing it and toss them in juvie. Maybe when they get a cold hard dose of reality they'll get a clue that breaking the rules isn't cute or funny, and that there are serious consequences.

Anymore kids are never taught that there are consequences to negative actions. They get away with anything and everything. That they get away with this with no lasting consequences isn't going to do any good. Delete their threads? They'll make new ones. Ban them? They'll make new accounts and brag about being banned. Arrest them? Maybe they'll finally get the idea.

That's a little more tricky, since I don't believe it's necessarily the most legal thing in the world to use IP manipulation to track down someone who uses your site. And I think that might hurt Gaia more than they'd like.


Plus I'm not sure it's quite a punishable crime to post nude images of yourself online, technically the people committing the crime in that case are the people collecting and/or viewing (I could be entirely wrong here).

If law enforcement is doing the tracking then Gaia can't get in trouble. The admin could contact local law enforcement and ask if there is any way they can help take care of the problem of underage users posting nude images, as deleting threads and banning users isn't doing enough.

[DIVA 01 Miku]

Atreides Zero

I'm still on the edge about links, since in many cases links will harm actual discussion, but like you said (and I considered) just because people can't post images doesn't mean they won't still post the links. And without the actual images the links would be harder to catch since it would require people to actual click the link to verify that it was inappropriate material.

Maybe as the initial stage they eliminate links and after awhile try to slowly bring them back.


Or do like they do with the current image and build a white-list of 'safe' links such as redirects to news sites and other parts of the forums.

The other problem I see with this is if one forum bans images, it's not going to stop others from going to the Chatterbox (for example), post the images there, and then find some clever way to link back to it. Which is why I suggested disabling links in there as well because of the fact that people will just use it as a means to bypass the rules.

If after a while things are becoming under control, Gaia can ease it back into the system.

[Atreides Zero]

mahi poi no ka oi

And then the picture post forum/SF/Q&A/other important forum gets blammed with this. I don't think so man.

Blammed? Or do you mean spammed?

I've already made my case in this thread, in other threads in the OP, about why the threat of the GD revolting on other forums is a baseless fear due to the level of proper reporting that gets done there.


And hell, if Gaia fears reprisal, I volunteer to have the whole idea and everything put in my name. If the GD wants someone to blame, they can come after the creator. They can come after me if they want. I've been on this site for 6 years as of today and in those years I've dealt with trolls, mods, users, and pretty much everything that could be thrown at me. I'm still here, I'm still here with my good ol' name, and the Gd ain't going be the ones to bring me down.

[DIVA 01 Miku]

KawaiiKittenCalico

If law enforcement is doing the tracking then Gaia can't get in trouble. The admin could contact local law enforcement and ask if there is any way they can help take care of the problem of underage users posting nude images, as deleting threads and banning users isn't doing enough.

Again, it is still problematic. And think of it this way; it's not going to stop it from happening time and time again. Even if Law Enforcement got involved, all they're going to do is stop the people they catch yet there will still be people who would keep doing it. But at the same time, they still have to be processed into the system and there is a chance that the case will be thrown out. It's too much of a waste of tax dollars and also because of the fact that Gaia's userbase is mixed with people around the world. If they find someone from the UK, then it's a process in itself to deal with the matter.

[Pavilisa]

KawaiiKittenCalico

Atreides Zero

KawaiiKittenCalico

I think they should get the law involved instead. Get authorities to track down the people doing it and toss them in juvie. Maybe when they get a cold hard dose of reality they'll get a clue that breaking the rules isn't cute or funny, and that there are serious consequences.

Anymore kids are never taught that there are consequences to negative actions. They get away with anything and everything. That they get away with this with no lasting consequences isn't going to do any good. Delete their threads? They'll make new ones. Ban them? They'll make new accounts and brag about being banned. Arrest them? Maybe they'll finally get the idea.

That's a little more tricky, since I don't believe it's necessarily the most legal thing in the world to use IP manipulation to track down someone who uses your site. And I think that might hurt Gaia more than they'd like.


Plus I'm not sure it's quite a punishable crime to post nude images of yourself online, technically the people committing the crime in that case are the people collecting and/or viewing (I could be entirely wrong here).

If law enforcement is doing the tracking then Gaia can't get in trouble. The admin could contact local law enforcement and ask if there is any way they can help take care of the problem of underage users posting nude images, as deleting threads and banning users isn't doing enough.

This, plus if it's international the police can contact local authorities of the person and they can handle it.

[Flucs]

i qtpi

i't would a good solution. But I wouldn't like it.

i concur.

[KawaiiKittenCalico]

Nymphaea Nouchali

KawaiiKittenCalico

If law enforcement is doing the tracking then Gaia can't get in trouble. The admin could contact local law enforcement and ask if there is any way they can help take care of the problem of underage users posting nude images, as deleting threads and banning users isn't doing enough.

Again, it is still problematic. And think of it this way; it's not going to stop it from happening time and time again. Even if Law Enforcement got involved, all they're going to do is stop the people they catch yet there will still be people who would keep doing it. But at the same time, they still have to be processed into the system and there is a chance that the case will be thrown out. It's too much of a waste of tax dollars and also because of the fact that Gaia's userbase is mixed with people around the world. If they find someone from the UK, then it's a process in itself to deal with the matter.

So because it's difficult it's not worth doing? By that logic lets not bother to capture murderers, either. All they're going to do is stop the people they catch yet there will still be people who would keep doing it. Lets not bother to arrest *****. We can only stop the ones we catch and the others will keep doing it. Lets not bother to go after drug dealers. We can only stop the ones we catch and others will keep doing it. Lets not bother to go after drunk drivers. We can only stop the ones we catch and others will keep doing it.

These people are all processed into the system and there's a chance their cases could be thrown out. It's a waste of tax dollars.

See why that line of thought isn't a good idea? Maybe Gaia wouldn't be able to do much about this particular problem. Maybe law enforcement wouldn't consider it important enough. But it's better to find out than to simply let people get away with breaking the law because it's easier than doing anything useful about it.

[DIVA 01 Miku]

KawaiiKittenCalico

So because it's difficult it's not worth doing? By that logic lets not bother to capture murderers, either. All they're going to do is stop the people they catch yet there will still be people who would keep doing it. Lets not bother to arrest *****. We can only stop the ones we catch and the others will keep doing it. Lets not bother to go after drug dealers. We can only stop the ones we catch and others will keep doing it. Lets not bother to go after drunk drivers. We can only stop the ones we catch and others will keep doing it.

These people are all processed into the system and there's a chance their cases could be thrown out. It's a waste of tax dollars.

See why that line of thought isn't a good idea? Maybe Gaia wouldn't be able to do much about this particular problem. Maybe law enforcement wouldn't consider it important enough. But it's better to find out than to simply let people get away with breaking the law because it's easier than doing anything useful about it.

That's not at all what I'm trying to say.

My point is this: Even if Law Enforcement were to get involved, is it really going to solve the problem? It would be the equivalent of reporting the threads over and over yet the problem will continue to exist. Tracking people down and somehow being able to make a legal arrest (yes, it has to be done legally or the courts will just throw the case out regardless of whatever evidence they have) is not going to solve the problem. First off, it would be difficult based on jurisdiction but also the circumstances of the offender. Is it a minor? Is it someone who are posting n***s of themselves? Is it an adult? All these things have to be taken into consideration. And with jurisdiction, as I mentioned earlier, you would also be dealing with those from out of the country. It will be up to that country on what they want to do but certainly they can't just hand the person over to the American government (or vice versa), especially if they themselves want to handle the investigation but even that wont necessarily be a success.

Not to mention with the way our (and I mean American) current Correctional System is not all that great. Corrections is meant to correct behavior that is deemed unacceptable to society, yet there are so many things wrong with our system that it may not necessarily do that. Maybe if you want to try to shock the person about the horrors of being in some form of penitentiary, but it's not always going to work. Much like trying to reform a person who can not be reformed.

While I would absolutely love to see those people be punished, at the same time I just know that it's not really going to make that much of a difference as far as deterring them from breaking the law on a public forum; much like how continuing to report and ban people is not necessarily going to prevent them from returning to the site. It is also a matter of all the other issues that would follow if the idea were to be pursued.

EDIT: Therefore, I believe that the best way to handle the problem were to use the OP's idea which is to take away such privileges such as posting images or links. But there is still the issue of people bypassing that rule by posting in other forums since it is suggested that it should only be done for the GD.

[Retro TV]

And so the x d u c k x fell in love with the x f r o g

K w e k x K w e k

I do believe this thread was just hijacked.

R i b b i t x R i b b i t

[Moonshine All Over Me]

*facepalm*

You think that's actually going to stop them?
We have, what, 20 or so forums on this website?

The pic whores would just find somewhere else to post them.
neutral It's like trying to stop ***** in real life. Just not possible, without taking away free will.
Or, in this case, without making all images invalid on Gaia. Then, people would just post links.

If you did it to one forum, you'd have to do it to the others.

And I noticed on the first page people saying that "the GD has too many trolls and such to have nice discussion" or something of that nature. I'd just like to inform this person, this is not true.
The GD has many valid discussions, you just have to actually look. And not around 3PM or so when all the middle school kids are getting home. During the daytime, from 8AM to 1PM, or during lunch hour.

Plus, the ED is actually becoming more a troll-ridden dumpster of a forum than the GD. Just take a look, read some of the points, look at sources and arguments. You'll know exactly what I mean. neutral

TL;DR (because I know there's gonna be somebody)
This wouldn't work at all. People would just flood the other forums. It's the exact same thing that would happen if the GD itself were totally deleted.
Pic whores won't disappear just because the GD does.

Moonshine ♥

[-_Zeh N i p p l e Queen_-]

The GD isn't always images, it's links as well.