The GD: n***s, trolls, and misbehaviour, revised.

[Pluma]

Dark Portrait

Green Jungle Queen

I mean you never see any devs reply in a topic about the GD forum now do you?

There's really nothing to say that hasn't already been said. The SF topics about GD haven't changed over the past couple of years.

Lolli Of The Army

This is bull s**t. If they are its pathetic. Baw some life-less 16 year old insulted me and sent me pictures. crying Get the ******** over it. They can disable their PM's and comments just like the rest of us. On top of that the Developers and Administrators are ADULTS they should ******** act like it and grow a goddamned back bone. >_<

They do have spines. The GD has a rather large moderator team. They know what they were getting into before volunteering to work that place. The idea that you think they are spineless and afraid of the users is honestly laughable.
And probably a bit insulting to the mod team.

what "mod team"? they dont do s**t, for the most part

if they actually did this thread probably wouldnt exist

[Lady Rebellion]

But its useless, I'm useless against them... They are beating me with ease...
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Dark Portrait: Do you not see where it says "THIS IS BULL s**t?" and "if" Meaning UNTRUE. People sure can read these days. rolleyes

Oh ha ha the mod team the mod team. Yeah. Do you even know what the "mod team" does?

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On the way home this car hears my confession. I think tonight I'll take the long way home.

|| current mood: sick ||

[Mangacide]

I agree with this entirely. We cannot let the chance of a "invasion" deter the sites staff from doing what needs to be done to make the site cleaner and safer.

If we allow this to continue, then what are we, but weak parents giving children whatever they want simply because we don't want to have a screaming toddler kicking it's feet on the floor of the Grocery store.

All I've seen and read so far has told me that the GD forum is basically a giant spoiled child desperately in need of discipline.

Also... a person shouldn't need to search for good conversation in a forum dedicated to conversing. If I go to the meat department at my local store, I should not have to search through hundreds of different types of cheese in order to find my steaks. It's the meat department.

[Cyber Saliva]

I think this is a really good idea. The GD, as it stands now, is in an awful, AWFUL state. Removing images is the quickest, easiest, and most effective solution, without a doubt.

My only gripe is about signatures.. Sure, there are size limits on them and the like, but I'd think that some trolls would be able to find ways around this.

[haligonian]

So I guess you want all the forums to possibly experience a hell.
@ all those who agree with the OP.

Way to look at the larger picture guys. rofl

Only mod that does anything is SB. I've only ever seen Psy and some chick modding there. Everyone else on that mod list I've never seen online.

[Atreides Zero]

haligonian

So I guess you want all the forums to possibly experience a hell.
@ all those who agree with the OP.

Way to look at the larger picture guys. rofl

Only mod that does anything is SB. I've only ever seen Psy and some chick modding there. Everyone else on that mod list I've never seen online.

Yes because just because you haven't seen a mod, they must never log in or do work. There is absolutely NO WAY TO HIDE YOUR ONLINE STATUS.

neutral

As for the other forums experiencing hell, that's already been argued extensively in this thread and that should not be a reason to no do something since it WILL ALWAYS BE A REASON GIVEN FOR NOT DOING ANYTHING TO the GD, we can't just let them stay the same forever.

And I think you are greatly underestimating the power of the mods.

[Gundamu]

Furry Porn GO

Gundamu

Furry Porn GO

Midnight Trickster

Seriously? Every time I go there I see pointless 3 sentence posts made at random and usually involve some sort of "BAAAAWWWWWW!"

But I agree, this is a great idea.

I'm sorry, but really, complaining about baaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwing in SF? Seems a little hypocritical neutral



As was pointed out, if this sort of thing happens, all that will ensue is that the GeeDee will spill out and the trolls and such will just flock to other forums, thereby causing this same exact thing to happen to each and every forum that they feel the need to slowly kill. After GeeDee goes, it will only be a matter of time until they infect the CeeBee and GeeCeeDee enough to kill those two forums. All that will be left are the slow-moving forums and SF. Given that you guys won't have so much to baw about, this forum will slow down, too

Slowly, over time, unless a better solution is found to bring back all the people that left Gaia because of the changes to the GeeDee, Gaia will slowly, but surely, start to fail. Sure, we may get new anime kids and such, like how the site originally started up, but Gaia needs donations and purchases of GC to keep this sort of thing going. Lack of users=lack of funds=lack of website


Plus, on the topic of CP~

Furry Porn GO

You see, the thing is, everyone is crying about gaia should do something to prevent CP from being posted here in the GeeDee
Well, I mean, if they are going to start cracking down on Gaia because of its users posting CP, then they will have to start cracking down on any and every site that has ever had CP posted on it before
Which, I can positively think, includes a large amount of sites on the internet

And someone, somewhere, will find a legal way to stop them from cracking down on sites, not because the person wants CP to be able to be posted, but because it will be removing rights from citizens in some way shape or form


People that post CP will get tracked down and arrested, it is not the fault of the site that they choose to post said CP on, so why would Gaia as a whole have to suffer for some people who are going to end up getting arrested, anyway

I think you're argument is what people call a slippery slope argument. confused
Again, just about any other forum wouldn't just sit back and not do anything. People would report and s**t would get done. It would be annoying for a while then it would go away. So there goes the idea that this would have to be done to every other forum.

Regardless of people reporting and 'getting s**t done' doesn't mean that the trolls would stop. They do eventually get banned in the GeeDee, albeit it taking a little longer than normal for most other forums. The trolls would just keep coming back and repeating the cycle until all of Gaia was image-free

As long as there is someone out there that will react in some way, shape or form, there will always be someone to troll them.

You're just assuming that would happen to make it seem worse. The other forums are better at reporting things like porn and such. It wouldn't get to the point something like this is needed for other forums. The only reason it's needed in the GD is because people run with it as if it's some hilarious joke. You really think that would happen in every other forum? Please.

[Dark Portrait]

Lolli Of The Army

But its useless, I'm useless against them... They are beating me with ease...
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Dark Portrait: Do you not see where it says "THIS IS BULL s**t?" and "if" Meaning UNTRUE. People sure can read these days. rolleyes

Oh ha ha the mod team the mod team. Yeah. Do you even know what the "mod team" does?

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On the way home this car hears my confession. I think tonight I'll take the long way home.

|| current mood: sick ||

You stated that devs & admins are adults that should act like it and grow some back bones, I responded. What part am I misunderstanding?

And yes, I do know what the mod team does. wink I also know that fighting the 'battle' with GD ain't easy. Lots of users, limited number of resources. And some of those users are very persistent. Mods don't have the ability to prevent violations from happening except by attempting to educate the user base on the rules. Otherwise, they just have to deal with the s**t as it comes. It seems like some of the people in this thread are asking for a miracle, when there's none to be had.

[kawaiihannah]

Educating users is always preferential, but there are some who simply don't want to be educated.

I've seen what the mods have to go through in the GD - despite what some people think, they work hard. So anything that can help them in the clean up, especially when dealing with illegal content should at least be considered and the risks weighed up.

[Dark Chaotic Nightmare]

Atreides Zero

So ignoring all the other issues of the GD for the moment (not like SF doesn't hear about it once or more a day anyways) I'd like to direct attention towards a growing problem in the GD. Many of it's frequent users like to trade nude images of themselves or even just post them in the GD forum. This is quite obviously highly illegal (since most of the users I'm referring to are under 1 cool , as well as highly dangerous to the stupid children who do it. Now while Gaia obviously isn't hosting, or even allowing these images to be posted (since most are deleted and expunged from the site ASAP, and it's against their ToS) it is still an issue for concern.

Now ignoring any potential concern about the government's potential interference (I have honestly no idea how they'd see this issue) I think Gaia still needs to take action on this issue, especially since they've been discussing more and more the safety of their users. As I see it Gaia has one clear cut choice for dealing with this problem:

Disable images in the GD.

As this is the epi-center of the problem, and the forum where this is most likely to occur I think that the best solution to help put a permanent stop to this issue is to revoke their image posting abilities.

Now I know people are going to start spouting frivolous claims about how all that's going to occur is forcing the thing more under ground. Or that it will force them into other forums, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. While the users might start posting their images in other forums, other forums are much better about reporting such incidents than the GD. Which means mods will see it, they will probably see it quicker, and it will probably be deleted quicker. If it goes underground that merely means it goes to PMs and if the admins ever manage to weed out the PM cyber-ers then they'll find a way to get the image swappers as well.

And this is all ignoring the added benefit of the Gd being cleansed of gore/porn trolls. If you can't post an image, you can't spam it 150 times.

So I implore you Gaia, I know we've had our differences, but you can't turn down this idea, since it might even help you look better to those child safety groups that once convinced you to pan the word '*****' from your site.

Well I don't have a practical solution that I can come up with for the moment, I do agree that this is a very serious problem and should be addressed A.S.A.P.

Only thing I can say is to pressure Gaia to hire more administrators to constantly survaillence the GD for anything that is inappropiate and endangers the member in question and ban them as deemed appropiate.

[real eyes realize]

haligonian

As for the "child porn" I honestly believe that no one has the right to tell anyone they can't take suggestive pictures of themselves and send it to others. They know what they're doing.

Sexting is considered distribution of child pornography even if it's a picture of the senders themselves :/ Therefore, no matter what medium they choose to share the pictures, they'll still get slapped with child pornography charges if they're underaged and get caught.

I'd like to see Gaia mess with the GD, maybe changing the forum link to that of the CB's for a while - perhaps a little public (yet subtle) humiliation will get the message across; comparing them to lowly CB'ers might hurt their ego's enough, possibly until they get sufficient MOD's to properly run the forum, lol.

Gaia seriously needs to draw attention to the stickies though. sigh. I don't know. gonk

[coldheartedangel]

real eyes realize

haligonian

As for the "child porn" I honestly believe that no one has the right to tell anyone they can't take suggestive pictures of themselves and send it to others. They know what they're doing.

Sexting is considered distribution of child pornography even if it's a picture of the senders themselves :/ Therefore, no matter what medium they choose to share the pictures, they'll still get slapped with child pornography charges if they're underaged and get caught.

I'd like to see Gaia mess with the GD, maybe changing the forum link to that of the CB's for a while - perhaps a little public (yet subtle) humiliation will get the message across; comparing them to lowly CB'ers might hurt their ego's enough, possibly until they get sufficient MOD's to properly run the forum, lol.

Gaia seriously needs to draw attention to the stickies though. sigh. I don't know. gonk

It doesn't matter what is done. People just don't read the Stickies.

@Person refering to SoundBlast being the only Mod who does anything.
This is so far from true it is't even funny. Yes, he cops most of the heat. This is because the GD like to run with "trends"
One popular one seems to be hating on him. It has been going on for awhile now.

[River Kelpie]

As noble as your intentions are OP, it just isn't going to work. If all image-posting is disabled in the GD then all the porn and gore trolls will just start seeping their filth into other forums. Plus, not all pics posted there are against the ToS in nature. To deny someone the right to post something legal just because someone else posts something illegal isn't fair.

What the GD (and the rest of Gaia) needs is more moderation. The problem is Gaia's general population is growing every single day while the number of mods rarely, if ever increases. The ratio is far out of balance and becoming more so everyday. More moderators are essential!!

[Atreides Zero]

coldheartedangel

real eyes realize

haligonian

As for the "child porn" I honestly believe that no one has the right to tell anyone they can't take suggestive pictures of themselves and send it to others. They know what they're doing.

Sexting is considered distribution of child pornography even if it's a picture of the senders themselves :/ Therefore, no matter what medium they choose to share the pictures, they'll still get slapped with child pornography charges if they're underaged and get caught.

I'd like to see Gaia mess with the GD, maybe changing the forum link to that of the CB's for a while - perhaps a little public (yet subtle) humiliation will get the message across; comparing them to lowly CB'ers might hurt their ego's enough, possibly until they get sufficient MOD's to properly run the forum, lol.

Gaia seriously needs to draw attention to the stickies though. sigh. I don't know. gonk

It doesn't matter what is done. People just don't read the Stickies.

@Person refering to SoundBlast being the only Mod who does anything.
This is so far from true it is't even funny. Yes, he cops most of the heat. This is because the GD like to run with "trends"
One popular one seems to be hating on him. It has been going on for awhile now.

Well based on SB's on words it's kinda hard to not think that:

SoundBlast

Atreides Zero

Kamirose

In no way are moderators discouraged from handling violations.

Of course a mod would say that.

Do you work in the GD? Do you actively clean it out? If you answered no to either of these question you can't really tell us that it isn't true considering what we have seen happen to several of the mods who used to work hard at cleaning the GD.

That's because our job is to deal with Terms of Service violations, regardless of which forum they are posted in. Moderators are not discouraged from modding the general discussion, and we don't respond to fear tactics, if we did then we wouldn't mod the general discussion to begin with.

You have to understand that moderators are a group of volunteers spending their own free time to deal with a forum, naturally they have lives and won't always have time to deal with every little issue, so sometimes you will see an increase in work while at other times it doesn't get noticed.

That users aren't getting a lot of thank you responds doesn't mean we stopped enforcing the rules, if you are implying that. I do 90% of my modding in the General Discussion and I can tell you that we are not discouraged from dealing with ToS violations in that forum.

http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/Site Feedback/please-split-the-current-gd-into-two-forums-read-1st-post/t.53450083_76/#76


By SB's own admission that forum needs many, many more moderators, or some form of much more drastic action if ONE mod makes up 90% of that forums moderation.

[coldheartedangel]

Because SoundBlast does 90% of his modding in there, not 90% of the work of that forum.
There is no denying that more Mods are needed.
There is about 100 mods for several hundred thousand users. If you think you can help then by all means apply