LISTENING means STOP RELEASING GOLD GENERATORS (REALLY?!)

Top concern for me:

Flynn's booty/chest causing inflation	58.0%	[ 2080 ]
CEO/COO issues	21.3%	[ 763 ]
Recolors	1.5%	[ 52 ]
Events	1.5%	[ 53 ]
Customer Service problems	4.9%	[ 177 ]
Flash sales	4.0%	[ 143 ]
Ask the Admin discontinued	4.3%	[ 154 ]
Other/Huh?	4.5%	[ 162 ]
Total Votes:			[ 3584 ]

[Owlie]

4-22-14

Response to Convention Comments
Oh? You read Site Feedback, Gaia? Really? Could have fooled me.

More and more "we're a business, we have to make money" excuses. We know. That's fine.

So raise your prices. Make MCs $15 a month. Give people the consumer trust needed to subscribe to AutoCash.

Or, maybe, listen to the userbase who would be paying your bills if you changed your business plan.

Maybe if 90% of the userbase wasn't pissed off, you'd be making the volume of sales that Gaia requires to pay your employees a living wage.

Completely stopping gold generators, permanently, would restore consumer trust.

Communicating with your userbase would restore consumer trust.

Saying "we're looking into the inflation problem" and releasing gold generators that constantly increase in amounts, increase in size of packs, and decrease in price is ridiculously hypocritical.

If I treated my clients the way Gaia is treating their customers, I'd be out of business.

Quote:

11/12 response: "A large number of users who do like these items"- your five to ten percent!- are not going to sustain you in the long run. Not to mention that those people willing to shell out cash could already buy items in the cash shop, sell them in the marketplace, and buy whatever marketplace item they wanted with that gold. That pay-to-win cheat already existed! You already did that years ago! Now you're ruining it for everyone by ruining our gold economy. Did whoever created Flynn's Booty ever take an economics class? Ever glanced at how many gold sinks we ask for to combat inflation? Do any of those users actually buying this item understand what it does to the value of gold? emotion_facepalm (Apparently they just don't care)

SIGN THE PETITION

WHAT? WHAT? ANOTHER RELEASE? GTFO!
Upper management: "We don't give a s**t that ~90% of users don't like Flynn's Booty ruining the economy! Some people like it!"


Red Lines: First Flynn's Booty, First Flynn's Chest.
At this point these are the largest jumps in inflation in Gaian history. Within a few months you can't see the bumps on the graph anymore.

10 billion gold to 3 trillion gold in five months.















"...Not expected to have a negative impact on the overall economy... limited time offer of the item..." = Bullshit. This is exponential growth. This is the exact opposite of keeping things on an "even keel".
"Limited time"
Flynns Booty & Chest = 8-22, 8-24, 8-26, 9-26, 9-29, 10-4, 10-15, 10-22, 10-26, 11-3, 11-10, 11-12, 11-17, 11-19, 11-22, 11-23, 11-24, 12-5, 12-11, 12-17, 1-2, 1-3, 1-4, 1-9, 1-22, 1-23, 2-20, 2-27, 3-5
Divinity's Reach = 12-7, 12-13, 12-15, 12-20, 12-29, 1-6, 1-20, 1-21, 2-3, 2-7, 2-14, 2-23, 2-26, 3-1, 3-3, 3-5, 3-9
Santa's Sack = 12-28
Coin Flip = 1-16, 1-17, 1-18, 1-19
Coin Toss = 1-24, 1-25, 1-26, 2-3, 2-17, 2-24, 3-2
Pick a Card = 1-28, 2-2, 2-21, 2-22, 3-4
Let It Ride = 1-29, 2-2, 2-21, 2-22, 3-4
Deck of Cards = 2-4
Sky Lantern = 1-30
Candy Hearts = 2-9, 2-10, 2-14, 2-15, 2-22,
Roses & Romance = 2-12, 2-17, 2-22
Gambino's Prize Jewels = 2-18, 2-19, 2-20
Carnival Day = 2-24, 2-25
Love Me, Love Me Not = 3-3, 3-4
Project Couture = 3-5, 3-6, 3-7, 3-8, 4-21, 4-22, 4-23, 4-24
Dreaming of Sheep = 3-7, 3-8, 3-9, 3-12, 3-18, 3-24
Dice Roll = 3-9, 3-10, 3-11, 3-12, 3-13, 3-16, 3-19, 3-20, 3-23
Critical Roll = 3-13, 3-14, 3-15, 3-18
Pot of Gold = 3-17
Blackjack or Bust = 3-18, 3-19
Loaded Dice = 3-22, 3-24, 3-27
Perfect Spin = 3-25, 3-26
Project Dolled Up = 3-26, 3-27, 3-28
Dice Roll II = 3-28, 3-29
Cutie Catcher = 3-28, 3-29, 3-30, 4-1, 4-2, 4-6, 4-9, 4-17, 4-19, 4-29, 4-30, 5-8, 5-9, 5-12, 5-13
Make It Rain = 3-28, 3-29, 3-30, 4-4, 4-6, 4-7
Dragon Hoard = 3-31, 4-1, 4-2
Let's Party = 4-2, 4-3
Project NPC Apprentice = 4-3, 4-4, 4-5, 4-15, 4-16, 4-17, 4-18
Lucky Spin = 4-5, 4-6
Fairy Tales = 4-7, 4-8
Secret Admirer = 4-10, 4-11, 4-22
Golden Spin = 4-11, 4-12
Make It Hurricane = 4-12, 4-13, 4-14, 5-11, 5-12
Eat Me = 4-13, 4-14, 4-21
Rainbow of Rewards = 4-15, 4-16, 5-8
Basket of Goodies = 4-18, 4-19, 4-20, 4-21
Make it Pour = 4-19, 4-20, 4-21
Sweet Reminders = 4-24
Spot On = 4-25, 4-26, 4-29, 4-30, 5-1, 5-3, 5-4, 5-12, 5-13, 5-25, 5-26, 5-27
Project Creative = 4-26, 4-27, 4-28, 4-29, 4-30
Mystery Scene = 4-27, 4-28, 4-30, 5-1, 5-6, 5-7
April Showers = 4-28, 4-29, 4-30, 5-6, 5-7
Dragon Trove = 4-31, 5-1
May Flowers = 5-1, 5-2, 5-5, 5-10, 5-11, 5-12
Project Dolled Up 2 = 5-1, 5-2
Sugary Sweet = 5-3, 5-4, 5-5, 5-6, 5-7, 5-9, 5-10, 5-11, 5-12, 5-13, 5-14, 5-15
Cat's Cradle = 5-5, 5-6, 5-7
Project Creative II = 5-8, 5-9, 5-10
Princess Party = 5-9, 5-10, 5-16, 5-17
Crystal Ball = 5-10, 5-11, 5-14, 5-17, 5-18, 5-24, 5-25, 6-4, 6-5, 6-7, 6-8, 6-12, 6-13
Project Companion = 5-12, 5-13, 5-14, 5-15
Spin & Win = 5-14, 5-15, 5-16, 5-20, 5-21, 5-22, 6-7, 6-8
Project Color Me = 5-15, 5-16, 5-17, 5-18, 5-20, 5-21, 5-22, 5-23, 6-21, 6-22
Fateful Cards = 5-16, 5-17, 5-18
Formal Invitation = 5-18, 5-19, 5-20, 6-3, 6-4
Wish Upon A Star = 5-20, 5-21, 5-22
Royal Invitation = 5-21, 5-22, 5-23, 5-24, 5-25, 5-27, 5-28, 5-29
Arcade Blast = 5-21, 5-22, 5-23
Surprise Gift Box = 5-22, 5-23, 5-24
Project Couture 3 = 5-23, 5-24, 5-25, 5-26
Terrific Tea Time = 5-25, 5-26
Little Piggy Bank = 5-25, 5-26, 5-27
Bubble Pop = 5-26, 5-27, 5-28
Tweet Treats = 5-28, 5-29, 5-30
Golden Piggy Bank = 5-29, 5-30, 6-1, 6-2, 6-3, 6-4, 6-11, 6-12, 6-21, 6-22, 6-23
Bling Blast = 5-30, 5-31, 6-1, 6-2, 6-2, 6-3
Project Colorful Companion = 5-31, 6-1, 6-2
Bling Dazzle = 6-2, 6-3
Chocolate Coins = 6-2, 6-3, 6-4
Safe Cracker = 6-3, 6-4, 6-5, 6-6
Platinum Piggy Bank = 6-4, 6-5, 6-6
Project Mega Creative = 6-5, 6-6, 6-7, 6-8
Royal Faberge Egg = 6-8, 6-9, 6-10
Project Couture 4 = 6-9, 6-10, 6-11, 6-12, 6-13
Golden Sparkler = 6-12, 6-13, 6-14
Sandcastle Treasure = 6-15, 6-16, 6-17
Diamond Piggy Bank = 6-16, 6-17, 6-18, 6-19
Project Evolving Item = 6-17, 6-18, 6-19, 6-20
Candy Cravings = 6-18, 6-19, 6-20
Rainbow Piggy Bank = 6-19, 6-20, 6-21, 6-22
Project Double Rainbow = 6-18, 6-19, 6-20, 6-23, 6-24, 6-25, 6-26
Candy Pop Surprise = 6-21, 6-22, 6-23
Project Mini Event = 6-21, 6-22, 6-23
Double Down = 6-22, 6-23, 6-24
Sunny Surprise = 6-22, 6-23, 6-24
Lightning Bugs = 6-23, 6-24, 6-25
Heat Wave = 6-23, 6-24
Honey Pot = 6-24, 6-25, 6-26
Golden Honey Pot = 6-26, 6-27, 6-28, 6-29
Nesting Doll = 6-26, 6-27, 6-28
Project Mini Chance Item = 6-29, 6-30
Sandcastle Treasure Plus = 6-30
Lightning Bugs Plus = 6-30

I can't keep up anymore with these generators. The amount, frequency, and packs keep increasing.

See Umioko's full, detailed list of amounts and sales here.

Your carefully worded announcements were fine- thanks for realizing how much of a razor's edge you're walking with your customers. Yes, you're a business, we know, thanks. Make dat monayyy guurrrl. Work it. Charge those big prices for rare items! As long as someone's willing to pay, hike up those prices on your super rare items (only) until you're making maximum profit on those high ticket items. Be a company that can support itself and flourish. Cool.

However, the biggest issue right now is Flynn's Booty and Chest; there are multiple polls in multiple forums all showing the same 88-95% user dislike, there is a ridiculous spike of inflation going on, there are continued re-releases of this terrible item after we've asked you to STOP, multiple times.

Pure gold is for sale for cash, despite how loud and obnoxious we've been getting, telling you to

STOP SELLING PURE GOLD FOR CASH

Only ITEMS and bundles of items should be sold for cash. Keep our delicate economy actually workable for ALL of your players- not just your 5% high rollers- and more players will be more willing to invest in your site.

Are you listening? YOU ARE NOT LISTENING.
"Sometimes our decisions may not be in line with an idea some members of the Gaia community suggest," When nine out of ten members are saying the same thing, LISTENING = DOING.

Please don't make us repeat ourselves for the thousandth time.

Once more?

NO MORE FLYNN'S BOOTY GOLD GENERATORS BY ANY NAME FOR THE LOVE OF GAIA. EVER AGAIN.

Not every thread that is hating on Flynn's booty has the words "Flynn" and "hate". Really? Really?
Booty/Chest hate threads with the "popular" tag. Which is only earned with <100 votes and 90% positive votes:

Over 100:
(SF) Your answer on WHY you keep re-releasing Flynn is a joke!
(SF) Gold Generators, History, and Economic Destruction
(SF) Make it rain & hurricane & pour. NO, MAKE IT STOP!!!!
(SF) Generator List: Something needs to be done

Over 200:
(SF) Stop releasing Gold Generators

Over 300:
(SF) Your Marketing Team Is Driving Gaia to the Ground

Over 400:
(SF) Gold Generators- an in-depth look at the consequences

Over 600:
(SF) Flynn's Booty- Keep Protesting!
(Petitions) Stop releasing Gold Generators


Polls with more than 100 votes:
(SF) 90% do not want new gold generators
(SF) 90% hate Flynn's Booty/Chest
(SF) 96% want Flynn to get the hell out of Gaia

Polls with more than 200 votes:
(The GD) 95% do not like Flynn's booty & chest
(SF) 98% do not like Flynn's booty/chest
(SF) 97%: think gold is worthless now, yeah, no matter what I have, I still can't buy s**t.

Polls with more than 300 votes:
(The GCD) 79% dislike flynn's booty/chest with 12% neutral = 91% because we know how much you love those neutral votes.
(SF) 95% want to be able to buy things uninflated

Polls with more than 400 votes:
(SF) 88% say release flynn's once/twice a year or NEVER
(SF) 94% are upset over Flynn's booty and all its effects to the site
(Gaia Exchange) 93% want it to stop reappearing

Polls with more than 700 votes:
(Chatterbox) 90% Want Flynn's Booty/Chest to be killed with fire
(GCD) 36% bought FB and now regret it, 45% won't buy it = 81% vs 13% that do

Polls with more than 800 votes:
(The GCD) 88% It's coming back... OH GOD NO

Polls with more than 900 votes:
(The GCD) 94% do not want you to continue re-releasing Flynn's Booty/Chest

Polls with more than 1200 votes:
(SF) 94% want Flynn re-released never or in a very limited amount
(Petition) 84% say release it never again

Polls with more than 1300 votes:
(Chatterbox) 95% want Flynn's Booty to stop appearing

Polls with more than 3100 votes:
(SF) 94% do not like flynn's booty

Not proof enough? Make a site wide announcement and poll about this situation.

Owlie
Giving a s**t about your website since 2004.

[Mister Jeno]

I'm actually appalled right now. I still wasn't, earlier today. Discontinuing AtA? That is going to deeeeefinitely anger people.

I have been glued to this train wreck all day, between telecommuting and hanging out with my kids. That is how magnetic this poorly-disguised, unapologetic cash grab really is. Only it's not winning them any cash from me, so maybe the magnetism is the wrong polarity.

Gaia, if keeping me attached to you through poor customer interaction is your game, bravo. Bra. Vo.

[PinkieKitty]

Bless this thread. I can't afford anything on Gaia anymore. Gaia's turned into a "freemium". Where you can get some stuff, but you have to buy CG if you want anything good. That's ridiculous!

Please, no more Flynn's Booty. The inflation is awful. >__<

[Owlie]

PinkieKitty

Bless this thread. I can't afford anything on Gaia anymore. Gaia's turned into a "freemium". Where you can get some stuff, but you have to buy CG if you want anything good. That's ridiculous!

Please, no more Flynn's Booty. The inflation is awful. >__<

Freemium is a perfect term.

[b u n n y - l i o r e]

God gaia reminds me of that new video for Rihanna XD 'Pour it up'

'Still got my money. Money make the world go 'round. Got more where that came from. All I see is dollar signs, all is dollar signs. Money on my mind, money money on my mind. Pour pour it up watch it fall out from the sky.'

XD
Dear lord. That is like the theme song to this downward spiral. Cash all the time, nothing else matters. Oh we'll throw you an event from time to time, but know it'll be laced with plenty of released of FB, & about twenty seven flash sales.
rolleyes

[Kai-Shan Valandria]

Owlie

PinkieKitty

Bless this thread. I can't afford anything on Gaia anymore. Gaia's turned into a "freemium". Where you can get some stuff, but you have to buy CG if you want anything good. That's ridiculous!

Please, no more Flynn's Booty. The inflation is awful. >__<

Freemium is a perfect term.

It's exactly what they're doing. Here's the wiki article on it. Of particular interest are these tidbits:

Quote:

Freemium games have come under criticism from players and critics. Many are pinned with the derogatory term 'Pay2Win', a term which criticizes freemium games for giving an advantage to players who pay more money as opposed to those who have more skill.

Quote:

Ways in which the product or service may be restricted in the free version include: Effort limited (e.g. Temple Run, in which all or most features are available for free, but require extended unlocking or slowly obtained in-game currency which can be accelerated or purchased for a fee)

Quote:

Another freemium game, My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic, based on the show of the same name, was released as a freely downloadable title by Gameloft under license by Hasbro. In the game, the player collects both in-game money and bits to buy ponies, houses, and other features from an in-game store to fill up a town. While several of the purchases were optional, a selected number of characters were required to be purchased to complete the story line. However, many of these could only be purchased using a number of "rare gems," which could take several years with constant play to collect. Otherwise, the user would need to spend real money to obtain them. The last such required character initially cost approximately $50 in gems,[16] but a later adjustment by Gameloft reduced it to about $9. Additionally, "finishing" the game through normal gameplay would require one to play every day for over 10 years.

Sound familiar?

[-ScourgeTheHedghog-]

Kai-Shan Valandria

Sound familiar?

Already knew that Gaia is falling/transforming into a shitty mobile game and best part is that this site is TERRIBLY optimized to be accessed by a phone or a tablet.

Gaia if you learn one thing, most modern sites make a good transition to be also used and seen on phones and tablets and not just poorly centering the site.

[Owlie]

Kai-Shan Valandria

Owlie

PinkieKitty

Bless this thread. I can't afford anything on Gaia anymore. Gaia's turned into a "freemium". Where you can get some stuff, but you have to buy CG if you want anything good. That's ridiculous!

Please, no more Flynn's Booty. The inflation is awful. >__<

Freemium is a perfect term.

It's exactly what they're doing. Here's the wiki article on it. Of particular interest are these tidbits:

Quote:

Freemium games have come under criticism from players and critics. Many are pinned with the derogatory term 'Pay2Win', a term which criticizes freemium games for giving an advantage to players who pay more money as opposed to those who have more skill.

Quote:

Ways in which the product or service may be restricted in the free version include: Effort limited (e.g. Temple Run, in which all or most features are available for free, but require extended unlocking or slowly obtained in-game currency which can be accelerated or purchased for a fee)

Quote:

Another freemium game, My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic, based on the show of the same name, was released as a freely downloadable title by Gameloft under license by Hasbro. In the game, the player collects both in-game money and bits to buy ponies, houses, and other features from an in-game store to fill up a town. While several of the purchases were optional, a selected number of characters were required to be purchased to complete the story line. However, many of these could only be purchased using a number of "rare gems," which could take several years with constant play to collect. Otherwise, the user would need to spend real money to obtain them. The last such required character initially cost approximately $50 in gems,[16] but a later adjustment by Gameloft reduced it to about $9. Additionally, "finishing" the game through normal gameplay would require one to play every day for over 10 years.

Sound familiar?

Sounds exact. Buy this pure gold so you can afford marketplace prices that are so high because we keep printing pure gold!

Printing more ¥ to solve the economy's problems didn't work in Japan and it won't work here.

[Owlie]

Really? Another"we love you but we have to make money" announcement that doesn't mention Flynn's Booty?

[Grace Gubreez]

When lanzer said he would address the big concerns I thought for sure flynnflation would be addressed. Still waiting emotion_donotwant

[Owlie]

Grace Gubreez

When lanzer said he would address the big concerns I thought for sure flynnflation would be addressed. Still waiting emotion_donotwant

Just more fluffy "we're a business" talk. I don't give a s**t if it's $50 per item, just stop producing gold out of nowhere.

[Nei Karasu]

Gaia doesn't seem to acknowledge that by selling Flynn's butt, they are just the same as those people who sell their accounts or gold illegally. They go against their own policy.

[AIoft]

I agree, but the poll you have up needs to have an "all of the above" option, because that's what people are concerned about, everything. Everything is tanking, and it's all very troubling to the users.

[Kimiko no Tenshi]

Nei Karasu

Gaia doesn't seem to acknowledge that by selling Flynn's butt, they are just the same as those people who sell their accounts or gold illegally. They go against their own policy.

So it wasn't me just thinking this then.... xd

The very thing they stop users from doing...pumping more gold into the system, is exactly what they turn around and do. The only difference is, they can charge for it so it makes it ok.

...No Gaia, it really isn't ok. stressed
The MP is a reflection of that.

*Please note: I am NOT saying pumping gold into the system in mass quantities is ever ok, it just seems hypocritical, no?*

[Owlie]

Zero Omega

I'll provide you numbers that you can see for yourself, there are, currently, 17.7k users logged in right now. If I search for "Flynn" and "hate" using our search tool I find 14 threads. If I just search for Flynn then I find 3,141 threads, ~2,720 of those threads were created after we released Flynn's Booty. Even if I were to assume that all these threads were:

1. Flynn's Booty hate threads (they're not, I'd wager the majority are either talking about the gold they made or selling it)

2. Made by unique users.

Then that means that 15.367% of the user base disapproves of Flynn's Booty (or at least vocal enough to make threads about it.) I could include total posts + threads, but that's a lot more work and math than I'm willing to do at the moment. Using these numbers, one could assume three things:

1. 14,980 (84.633%) of our users approve of Flynn's Booty.
2. 14,980 (84.633%) of our users are neutral of Flynn's Booty.
3. 14,980 (84.633%) of our users are either neutral, approve, disapprove, or are otherwise silent about Flynn's Booty.

Using these numbers, one can extrapolate that more Gaians either like or choose to stay silent about Flynn's Booty than Gaians that hate it. I am in no means saying that we should ignore the hypothetical 15.3% of users, but the numbers just prove that the statement is not correct.

Sir, your logic is flawed and I would like to direct you to the numerous polls in the first post that suggest a minimum of 80% of users (on the lowest estimate) do not like Flynn's Booty.