Just an Idea about banned accounts...

[This Isnt Sparta]

If buying your account back would set you back oh...I dont know...around the realm of say...$500,000, then sure let's talk.

If you cant be bothered to behave yourself on the site, despite getting numerous warning telling you to stop pulling whatever s**t you're pulling, then you have no place on the site. Simple as that. You're not learning anything if you just pay $10 to get your account back, just so you can cause more trouble. Either behave and help make the experience enjoyable for everyone or go be annoying somewhere else.

[Cosmic Bunnii]

TasteChaos

I don't think being able to buy your way out of your punishment would do the community good at all. People could just basically pay to do whatever the hell they want. Hacking, harrassing, posting pornography... Pay a few extra bucks and you're able to do all that.

You wouldn't want murderers to be able to buy their way out of prison, why would you want this?

What's to stop them from making a completely different account and using that though?
They wouldn't have all of the things that they did. But it's not hard to get those things back.
And if they really wanted to, couldn't they just do the same things on a different account that they did on the account they actually did it on?


It depends on the type of life-taking.

-Gross Vehicular Homicide – which is usually a DUI with gross negligence – is a felony that has an assumptive bail of $50,000. It is penal code violation 191.5
-Voluntary manslaughter is a felony and a violation of penal code 192a. The assumptive bail is $60,000.
-Involuntary manslaughter is a violation of penal code 192b and has an assumptive bail of $25,000.
-Manslaughter caused by driving a vehicle with gross negligence (but not a DUI) is a violation of penal code 192c1 and has an assumptive bail of $50,000.
-Vehicular homicide – which is a DUI without gross negligence – has an assumptive bail of $50,000 and is a violation of penal code 192c3.
-Manslaughter with a vessel is violation of penal code 1922.5 and can be either a felony or a misdemeanor. Assumptive bail is $50,000.

-My cousin and her significant other were killed (a third person almost lost their life) by someone and they got out of jail.
The person had multiple warrants out, killed two people, was driving drunk, and was speeding. They got out on bond only a few months after the incident after being told they'd spend the rest of their life in jail. We were told that they'd have double accounts of everything with the two people killed, and separate ones for the one injured.
-Charles Manson recently got parole, which he did deny, but he's a convicted serial killer.
-Regardless, that's a serious offense. Hacking into someone's online account? Pety. I mean, I know it's against the rules. That itself is punishable but it's going to happen again and again.
-Harassment? Trolling is considered harassment half the time. That doesn't stop people from doing it

Chahklet

This lovely lady[?] is obviously trolling. Could this be considered harassment? Probably. Depends on who's looking at it. The post I'm making now could probably be considered harassment.
Harassment: /həˈrasm(ə)nt,ˈharəsm(ə)nt/Submit
noun
aggressive pressure or intimidation.
-And posting pornography? It's the internet dude, porn is bound to be posted regardless of the rules. There are guilds made specifically for that here on Gaia. and people sharing things via private messages.

dreamsk

How much would they pay for their account back?

100$?
1000$?

Seriously. I hear people saying "I'll pay money for X feature!" and then when the feature comes around, then they suddenly dont have the money to pay for it. I believe in putting up, because if your not going to follow through then what's the point of even giving out the idea?

The price for getting the account back all-in-all would fall on the shoulders of the staff. But it could be paying how much your account is worth. Maybe the severity of the 'crime'.
If people want to say that they'll pay x amount of money for x feature and they don't do it. That's on them. If they say they want to pay for their account back, but don't get it back. That's on them.

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I for one, think that the idea is a fairly good one.
Do I think it would work?
Honestly, no.
But only for the fact that if someone really did want to get back on gaia they'd have a free means of doing so.
I know plenty of people who've gotten banned and had an account or two, or three to fall back on.
I myself have two accounts. My main account and a mule.
Like I've stated before, what's to stop them from just making a completely different account and using that?

[Chahklet]

Ravyn Raptorr

No. Every unsatisfactory response is not trolling.

[Cosmic Bunnii]

This Isnt Sparta

If buying your account back would set you back oh...I dont know...around the realm of say...$500,000, then sure let's talk.

If you cant be bothered to behave yourself on the site, despite getting numerous warning telling you to stop pulling whatever s**t you're pulling, then you have no place on the site. Simple as that. You're not learning anything if you just pay $10 to get your account back, just so you can cause more trouble. Either behave and help make the experience enjoyable for everyone or go be annoying somewhere else.

$500,000 real life money is a bit excessive. Don't you think?

Not everyone who gets banned actually gets warnings.
I've had an older account get banned for something I didn't even do, with no warning.
Because of the simple fact someone wanted me to 'cyber' with them and I wouldn't.

[vampire_queen7]

I don't agree with this. I would not want to see people I report able to get back on their main account.
Yes they can make a mule but making a mule takes time, a lot more effort than it used to, and the person who's using it has lost all their monetary value on this website. So yes, it is a punishment.
Plus it'd be another way for rich scumbags to avoid taking responsibility. Wealthy people IRL would effectively be able to do whatever they want, no consequences (besides having to offer up a little dough, which they already don't mind spending) and the poor would just have to take the ban and live with it.

All around I'm glad most, if not all, websites do not have a "buy your account back" feature, Gaia included.

[Cosmic Bunnii]

Chahklet

Ravyn Raptorr

No. Every unsatisfactory response is not trolling.

No, you're right.
Not every unsatisfactory response is not trolling.
But to me personally it was trolling.
You walked in (or linked in) to something and put your two cents in in a way that was to [me] trolling.
To me, you posted in a way to further an argument between two people, or to purposely upset someone.
That may have not been your intent, but to me that's how it came across.
To others it may just be you 'being a b***h' or a 'smart-a**'.

[TasteChaos]

Ravyn Raptorr

TasteChaos

I don't think being able to buy your way out of your punishment would do the community good at all. People could just basically pay to do whatever the hell they want. Hacking, harrassing, posting pornography... Pay a few extra bucks and you're able to do all that.

You wouldn't want murderers to be able to buy their way out of prison, why would you want this?

What's to stop them from making a completely different account and using that though?
They wouldn't have all of the things that they did. But it's not hard to get those things back.
And if they really wanted to, couldn't they just do the same things on a different account that they did on the account they actually did it on?


It depends on the type of life-taking.

-Gross Vehicular Homicide – which is usually a DUI with gross negligence – is a felony that has an assumptive bail of $50,000. It is penal code violation 191.5
-Voluntary manslaughter is a felony and a violation of penal code 192a. The assumptive bail is $60,000.
-Involuntary manslaughter is a violation of penal code 192b and has an assumptive bail of $25,000.
-Manslaughter caused by driving a vehicle with gross negligence (but not a DUI) is a violation of penal code 192c1 and has an assumptive bail of $50,000.
-Vehicular homicide – which is a DUI without gross negligence – has an assumptive bail of $50,000 and is a violation of penal code 192c3.
-Manslaughter with a vessel is violation of penal code 1922.5 and can be either a felony or a misdemeanor. Assumptive bail is $50,000.

-My cousin and her significant other were killed (a third person almost lost their life) by someone and they got out of jail.
The person had multiple warrants out, killed two people, was driving drunk, and was speeding. They got out on bond only a few months after the incident after being told they'd spend the rest of their life in jail. We were told that they'd have double accounts of everything with the two people killed, and separate ones for the one injured.
-Charles Manson recently got parole, which he did deny, but he's a convicted serial killer.
-Regardless, that's a serious offense. Hacking into someone's online account? Pety. I mean, I know it's against the rules. That itself is punishable but it's going to happen again and again.
-Harassment? Trolling is considered harassment half the time. That doesn't stop people from doing it

I think you need to re-read what I wrote: "you wouldn't want murderers to be able to buy their way out of prison." I never said it didn't actually happen. So unless you wanted the person who was responsible for your cousin and their significant other's death to be bought free, I stand by my point.

You're right that nothing is stopping a person from creating a new account and continue their rulebreaking- I've seen it happen countless times- but I don't see why we should make it any easier for them.

Some people put a lot of money and effort into their accounts and they will mind their words and actions in order to not get banned. I think you are forgetting that Gaian accounts don't just hold items you can easily get back. Accounts can also contain achievements that can't be gotten again, a zOMG! level that takes months to reach, particular one-time event items that can't be regained ever again, badges etc. etc. For a lot of people that is enough reason to don't mess with the rules and be careful about what they do. If you were just able to put down a few bucks and get back your account it defeats the entire point of banning in the first place.

[Chahklet]

Ravyn Raptorr

Chahklet

Ravyn Raptorr

No. Every unsatisfactory response is not trolling.

No, you're right.
Not every unsatisfactory response is not trolling.
But to me personally it was trolling.
You walked in (or linked in) to something and put your two cents in in a way that was to [me] trolling.
To me, you posted in a way to further an argument between two people, or to purposely upset someone.
That may have not been your intent, but to me that's how it came across.
To others it may just be you 'being a b***h' or a 'smart-a**'.

It's a good thing that being a smart-a** isn't a ban-able offense.

[klapollo]

Adnama Lavode

I never want to see this happen. It encourages the wrong sort of mindset and you shouldn't be able to buy your way out of a punishment. Yes, you can buy your way out of punishment in real life, but that doesn't make it fair and it doesn't mean it should happen. That's why Justin Beiber doesn't do jail time for all the dumb s**t he's done when he really should so he can find that his actions have consequences. That is the whole purpose of punishment after all. To teach a lesson.

And from the perspective of someone who isn't banned, if I report someone for doing something shitty that really bothers me and a lot of others, why should they be allowed to come back and possibly do that thing again from the comfort of their main account? Why should they be able to buy their way out of it and cause more discomfort for others? If they did it once, they'll likely do it again, because there's no need to kid yourself. It's the internet and people that do things to get banned know what they're doing and they do it because of the anonymity. I'd rather a person stay banned if they screwed up enough to get banned. A buyout is just a terrible idea and a few people having good intentions to buy back their accounts wouldn't negate what I said above because the assholes that would take advantage of such a feature outnumber them and would create even more problems for everyone.

Oh god, I must say I love your avatar.

I agree with all the points you brought up fully.
Nobody should be able to purchase their way around a punishment. If they felt they were wrongly banned, they should file an appeal. If not, they should either learn from the ban and get off the site or make a new account and avoid doing whatever they did to get the ban.

[Cosmic Bunnii]

TasteChaos

I think you need to re-read what I wrote: "you wouldn't want murderers to be able to buy their way out of prison." I never said it didn't actually happen. So unless you wanted the person who was responsible for your cousin and their significant other's death to be bought free, I stand by my point.

You're right that nothing is stopping a person from creating a new account and continue their rulebreaking- I've seen it happen countless times- but I don't see why we should make it any easier for them.

Some people put a lot of money and effort into their accounts and they will mind their words and actions in order to not get banned. I think you are forgetting that Gaian accounts don't just hold items you can easily get back. Accounts can also contain achievements that can't be gotten again, a zOMG! level that takes months to reach, particular one-time event items that can't be regained ever again, badges etc. etc. For a lot of people that is enough reason to don't mess with the rules and be careful about what they do. If you were just able to put down a few bucks and get back your account it defeats the entire point of banning in the first place.

That would be my mistake.
I misunderstood what you had said.

I feel like it's easy for them no matter what way they do it. Honestly.

[Cosmic Bunnii]

Chahklet

It's a good thing that being a smart-a** isn't a ban-able offense.

I think that all depends on who you're being a smartass towards. :p

[Greed Over Need]

TasteChaos

Ghorza

I think it's amazing how you can logically compare an online ban to murder as if the they can even be compared.

Would you mind quoting me if you reply to me? I won't notice otherwise.

A comparison doesn't have to be realistic in order to get the point across. It was a hyperbolic equation in order to demonstrate and clarify why this idea would not work.

You have a point. I was caught up in the idea as a whole not singularly.

[Hasuki Aatisuto]

No. No. No. They were banned for a reason. They should remain banned.

If they REALLY want they can always make another account. Maybe starting from scratch with nearly nothing would be lesson enough for them.

[I have a tissue]

Chahklet

Ravyn Raptorr

Chahklet

Ravyn Raptorr

No. Every unsatisfactory response is not trolling.

No, you're right.
Not every unsatisfactory response is not trolling.
But to me personally it was trolling.
You walked in (or linked in) to something and put your two cents in in a way that was to [me] trolling.
To me, you posted in a way to further an argument between two people, or to purposely upset someone.
That may have not been your intent, but to me that's how it came across.
To others it may just be you 'being a b***h' or a 'smart-a**'.

It's a good thing that being a smart-a** isn't a ban-able offense.

Posting a response in a way that you know will get under someone's skin can be construed as harassment, so under technicality what you did is trolling. It's not "unsatisfactory response" that you need to worry about. It's the unsatisfactory behavior.



Regardless, I do not agree with buying back an account. Though, I would not be shocked of this Gaia allows it to happen.

[Chahklet]

I have a tissue

Chahklet

Ravyn Raptorr

Chahklet

Ravyn Raptorr

No. Every unsatisfactory response is not trolling.

No, you're right.
Not every unsatisfactory response is not trolling.
But to me personally it was trolling.
You walked in (or linked in) to something and put your two cents in in a way that was to [me] trolling.
To me, you posted in a way to further an argument between two people, or to purposely upset someone.
That may have not been your intent, but to me that's how it came across.
To others it may just be you 'being a b***h' or a 'smart-a**'.

It's a good thing that being a smart-a** isn't a ban-able offense.

Posting a response in a way that you know will get under someone's skin can be construed as harassment, so under technicality what you did is trolling. It's not "unsatisfactory response" that you need to worry about. It's the unsatisfactory behavior.

Regardless, I do not agree with buying back an account. Though, I would not be shocked of this Gaia allows it to happen.

No it isn't. Being nice is a requirement to being on Gaia. Unless you have concrete proof that I was intentionally trying to troll?