Is it me or is the Vampire Hunter Hex Soul Stealer offensive

Do you find it offensive?

Yes.	8.6%	[ 48 ]
No.	91.4%	[ 511 ]
Total Votes:			[ 559 ]

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Teagen Sirrus

Osaka The Knucklehead

Teagen Sirrus

That's exactly why they shouldn't have it, because everyone equates it with Satan when Wicca and Paganism has no belief in Satan.

Osa Osa chan says:

Only uneducated people think they're the same. They are different and now is the perfect time to educate people about it. Instead of seeing this as offencive, see it as a chance to teach people about the true meaning.
EDIT: woo, messed that quote up >3<

But my experience is that people do not care to think differently, and even more so how they feel on a religious symbol

Really, it seems like you don't care to see it differently. It's a different symbol entirely, but you keep insisting it is not.

People will see the difference if taught. Those who don't will just stay blindly ignorant in their own little world.

If you keep insisting the Pentacle is the exact same thing as the Pentagram, then do you also insist that all who follow the ancient Indian religion of Jainism are Nazi's because their holiest symbol is a Swastika?

I also believe people have pointed out it is more of an Alchemist symbol.

As for the item itself, am I offended? No. Why should I be? It's an image. Is it mocking the way I live, or what I believe? No. I have nothing to be offended by.

Yes, it is closer to an alchemist symbol, considering pentagrams and reversed pentagrams tend to be plain in nature. Any designs added are from a specific source and are not universal. It would be in reference to something particular (which in this case is no specific pagan religion, but potentially alchemy), or is just pretty looking nonsense.

[Sweet Amber]

actually, a lot of people do not think of it as a "satan" thing. most people think it's a magical symbol and just has to do with spells and alchemy... not really satan. that line of thought is kind of outdated now.

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c. Alluvion

Teagen Sirrus

Derimed

I am glad to see you're offended, but Gaia's not going to fix it. Keep in mind that every church -- Catholic, Protestant, whatever -- will be "offended" by this item, and basically, and sorry to say this, those churches have more say than you Wiccans do. If Gaia doesn't care about them, they won't care about you either.

Well they should, because I am sure they are not going to put out an upside down cruifix, or a swastica.

A swastika is a political symbol, connected with facism and mass-murder. It has no symbolism apart from Nazis, is rarely used in anime, and would cause crackdown by everybody. Poor example.

You were being sarcastic right? You didn't use much italics so I'm having a hard time telling.

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[Teagen Sirrus]

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Teagen Sirrus

Osaka The Knucklehead

Teagen Sirrus

That's exactly why they shouldn't have it, because everyone equates it with Satan when Wicca and Paganism has no belief in Satan.

Osa Osa chan says:

Only uneducated people think they're the same. They are different and now is the perfect time to educate people about it. Instead of seeing this as offencive, see it as a chance to teach people about the true meaning.
EDIT: woo, messed that quote up >3<

But my experience is that people do not care to think differently, and even more so how they feel on a religious symbol

Really, it seems like you don't care to see it differently. It's a different symbol entirely, but you keep insisting it is not.

People will see the difference if taught. Those who don't will just stay blindly ignorant in their own little world.

If you keep insisting the Pentacle is the exact same thing as the Pentagram, then do you also insist that all who follow the ancient Indian religion of Jainism are Nazi's because their holiest symbol is a Swastika?

I also believe people have pointed out it is more of an Alchemist symbol.

As for the item itself, am I offended? No. Why should I be? It's an image. Is it mocking the way I live, or what I believe? No. I have nothing to be offended by.

The only way some of these people would even know it was used in Alchemy is from watching anime. It was used long before that, and it needs to be recconized for what it really is, not for what some cartoons show it to be.

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Handmade God

Satanism didn't come from "teh westzor".
It came from underground cults stowed away in underground lairs/caverns in England. neutral
It hasn't been around just for a few decades. Try a few centuries.
Definately not Western in descent.

Therfore, your argument is false x)



And no. I won't shut up.
You shut up.

poser?

England is western culture.

Geography.

It also greatly depends on which portion of Satanism you're referring to. The term doesn't refer to one specific practice, there's different practices within it. Theistic Satanism and Atheistic Satanism.

Unless there is evidence of Satanism outside of western culture, it's western in origin due to geography.

[Lunatic Inferno]

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LawL!

[Osaka The Knucklehead]

Teagen Sirrus

Yes but by doing something about it Gaia might be able to help change things. Media has always shown the Pentical and Pentigram in a bad light, I think that Gaia, by not having it can help stop bad publicity of the Pagan symbol.

Osa Osa chan says:

Yes, by having it not at all, and hiding it from the light, keeping out of people's minds is the best way to educate people. Oh wait it's not.
I find that Gaia has given me, and other pagans the perfect opportunity to teach people the true meaning of it. Just because you are too lazy to take the time to tell someone who thinks that it's the same thing, and tell the the difference, that's fine. But do NOT play the "it's offensive to all Pagans" card, when it's not.

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Hail? I think you got your words mixed up. Hail is a form of frozen water.

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c. Alluvion

Teagen Sirrus

Derimed

I am glad to see you're offended, but Gaia's not going to fix it. Keep in mind that every church -- Catholic, Protestant, whatever -- will be "offended" by this item, and basically, and sorry to say this, those churches have more say than you Wiccans do. If Gaia doesn't care about them, they won't care about you either.

Well they should, because I am sure they are not going to put out an upside down cruifix, or a swastica.

A swastika is a political symbol, connected with facism and mass-murder. It has no symbolism apart from Nazis, is rarely used in anime, and would cause crackdown by everybody. Poor example.

You were being sarcastic right? You didn't use much italics so I'm having a hard time telling.

The swastica was a religious symbol before it was a Nazi symbol, and even though that is true Gaia will never make one. This should be the same for the Pentical because it was used in religious ideals before it became so "dark"

[Handmade God]

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England is commonly mistaken as "western culture".
In modern terms, it's eastern. So it's not western.

But sure! If you still live in the 1400's then yeah. It's western alright. Lemme tell ya how western. If you went any further west, you'd fall of the face of the earth! :O







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Blutig Samen

_ignorant nonsense_

I didn't think it was possible to be that witless and moronic, even online.

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Handmade God

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Everyone ready your +5 Against Angry Christians Shields, this is gona be a big one!!!





Hail Satan!

Indeed.
Bear my children.




error[dot]exe:
England is commonly mistaken as "western culture".
In modern terms, it's eastern. So it's not western.

But sure! If you still live in the 1400's then yeah. It's western alright. Lemme tell ya how western. If you went any further west, you'd fall of the face of the earth! :O

According to which "modern terms"?

And where are these "modern terms" sourced?

I'm not just going to take your word for it, if that's what you're implying I do, sir.

[ShadowIce]

Please explain to me how keeping this item out of the MC would make anyone think more positively of the Pentacle. Seriously. Because according to your view, people already associate with Satan. By putting it on the website, we're going to have countless people using it completely outside of the realm of Satanism.

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ShadowIce

Please explain to me how keeping this item out of the MC would make anyone think more positively of the Pentacle. Seriously. Because according to your view, people already associate with Satan. By putting it on the website, we're going to have countless people using it completely outside of the realm of Satanism.

Fancy seeing you in here, dear heart