Is it me or is the Vampire Hunter Hex Soul Stealer offensive

Do you find it offensive?

Yes.	8.6%	[ 48 ]
No.	91.4%	[ 511 ]
Total Votes:			[ 559 ]

[amalath]

coolcat33333

I have never seen this item, what is it's name

vampire hunter hat neutral

[MrBlueberryMuffin]

Teagen Sirrus

Handmade God

And because it's Satanistic, i guess... xD

That's exactly why they shouldn't have it, because everyone equates it with Satan when Wicca and Paganism has no belief in Satan.

And I think all Christains and Catholics would be offended if a upside down Crucifix was a new item. So I think I have every right to be upset by this.

I'm aethiest. I should be offended by every single item that has to do with religion at all, based on your logic. Its stupid to be offended by anything at all.

[Godess The Hyper Fangirl]

GODESS SAYS.....

I am a Christian and I am not offended by anything, it's to each their own and I respect everyone elses' religions. Saying 'All Catholics and Christians would be offended' gets me upset, because that's putting us all in a box.

[Alucardalina]

Its not even a pentagram.
It's a standard 5 point alchemists' circle. Note all the items in between the points of the stars and the circle, you know, the ones also drawn in red that look somewhat like squiqqles?
That's also included in alchemy circles.
Should I post what one looks like?

[Lady Kayura]

It is a fake item. It has nothing to do with the religion.

[Flameinexile]

Can we please just have this thread locked so people stop resurrecting it?
This is the second time it's been dragged up when it is LONG past being a controversy.
Let's just let the zombie burn.

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

[Sukatash]

I am a Wiccan and our symbol is that of a Pentacle, and the fact that the new Vampire Hunter item has an upside down and red Pentacle. Being a Pagan I know how many associate the Pentacle with the devil, and even more so when it is upside down. This greatly offends me because once again the Pentacle is being shown the wrong way and in alliance with a Vampire or devilish theme too it.I would like to see Gaia fix this, the symbol should be placed right side up and done in gold or silver, or it should be removed comptely because it is offensive to Pagans to show the symbol in that way.

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if u were a pagan u shouldnt belive in satan or any of the suf and besides its just a game not real life ninja ninja

[Trampy McTramp]

GOOD GOD

LET THIS THREAD BE

it is almost 9 months old.
*hopes it gets locked*

[a m e l i o r a t i o n]

Trampy McTramp

GOOD GOD

LET THIS THREAD BE

it is almost 9 months old.
*hopes it gets locked*

What i want to know is how the hell did people find it?

[Lilith-Inanna-Shekhinah]

Teagen Sirrus

I am a Wiccan and our symbol is that of a Pentacle, and the fact that the new Vampire Hunter item has an upside down and red Pentacle. Being a Pagan I know how many associate the Pentacle with the devil, and even more so when it is upside down.

Hi Teagan. I have studied the occult for nearly 23 years, and between the ages of 16 and 21 considered myself closely aligned with Wicca (which was my main study at the time). I'll share with you what I know:

1. The pentacle is in fact used by Wiccans in both its upturned -and- inversed positions. For more on that, look for information on Second Level practitioners.

2. Although the pentacle may be considered by many to be the symbol which visually represents the Wiccan faith, Wicca does not own the symbol -- no one does. Adding to that, many others have had access to and used this symbol for far, far longer (see: Gnostics). The pentacle represents first and foremost its uses in magic(k), either historic or modern, and that is how it is being represented here: as a symbol of mystical power. What you see in it is up to your own eyes. Wiccans and Pagans in general should not avoid using red or shadow in their artwork for fear of persecution -- that is bowing to the pressure to hide, and almost like admitting that there is something wrong with either this colour or shadows as a beautiful and very romanic part of the world. smile The "broomcloset" is really no place to be, if you know what I mean.

3. I hear you about your concerns of your religion being assumed synonymous with another that is not received very well by general society, but it is also a good idea to educate yourself as much as possible about that other religion in order to explain to people properly where the differences lie -- as well as which assumptions are myths, much as there are myths about Wicca (that even Wiccans will tell; for more, read on).

3b. In fact, the biggest two things that I would say are good to study are where Wicca and Satanism DO intersect. You may not know this, but it is found in the friendship that was had between Gerald Gardner and Aleister Crowley. These two men, both being occult practitioners and close peers would sit about and discuss their ideas as avid students of magic(k) and confidants in this regard. They ended up parting ways over the argument of which ideas belonged to whom -- specifically with regard to who created Wicca... how much Aleister had to do with it. It continues to be a mystery, and that is why it cannot be claimed realistically that Wicca and Satanism have nothing to do with each other.

3c. I guess I'll take some responsibility right now before passionate people who are young in their own discovery of the world and of faith start raising their voices because someone mentioned Satanism without decrying it: Satanism is a very broad category -- there are many different definitions of this thing. Abrahamic religions (meaning Christianity, Judaism, the Muslim faith and the Bah'ai faith) define Satan as referencing a particular sentient spirit who had evil intent; Satanism as I said has many definitions and as such it becomes one big tree with branches upon which these definitions hang. While some define Satan in the same way that Abrahamic religions do, there are also branches that view "Satan" as not being anything sentient or even evil. Branches within the latter sphere, as I've come to understand it, are entirely against the same things that would appall Wiccans and Christians alike -- such as harming animals, children, women, etc.

So there you are: a starting point for this comparative study, if you'd like it. smile

~Sincerely,
one of your elder peers,
and probably the killer (at last) of this thread.

[Strawberry Toots]

It is nothing more than a star in a circle to me mad

[l3 l u e B e a r]

no

[Gwenieviere]

Teagen Sirrus

I am a Wiccan and our symbol is that of a Pentacle, and the fact that the new Vampire Hunter item has an upside down and red Pentacle. Being a Pagan I know how many associate the Pentacle with the devil, and even more so when it is upside down. This greatly offends me because once again the Pentacle is being shown the wrong way and in alliance with a Vampire or devilish theme too it.

I would like to see Gaia fix this, the symbol should be placed right side up and done in gold or silver, or it should be removed comptely because it is offensive to Pagans to show the symbol in that way.

Don't turn something small into something big, I am also Wiccan, but complaining to everyone about how you feel isn't going to do anything. Just let it be, I've gotten used to people using it that way and it doesn't bother me, because I know its true meaning. Just say i'm better than this and leave it be please! Do not start a huge protest.

[Sir Eugene Ainsworth]

Just let this thread end, it is an old one that should not have been brought back. Just let it die

[Noraboo]

locking thread as discussion was resolved and thread is only being necro'd ^^