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I support idea one. 0.2156862745098 21.6% [ 11 ]
I support idea two. 0.098039215686275 9.8% [ 5 ]
I support idea three. 0.019607843137255 2.0% [ 1 ]
I support all of these. 0.13725490196078 13.7% [ 7 ]
I support two of these. 0.35294117647059 35.3% [ 18 ]
I don't like any of these ideas. 0.17647058823529 17.6% [ 9 ]
Total Votes: 51
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"Redimus Prime X"
blah blah blah

1.) I honestly don't care who you are or how long you've been on the site. The point has zero bearing on your proposal, and your divorcing of my very obviously stated assumption about your tenure on this site based on the account number in order to make a poor attempt to club me over the head with it simply comes across as elitist asshattery.

My statements were based on your rather poorly framed arguments in the OP and the total lack of clarification from you in the rest of the thread prior to my post. Dismissing them out of hand with snide remarks and a condescending attitude does not change that.

2.) The old market didn't have the graphs, no, but the information from the old market carried over to this one, and it is visible in the current graphs. The information is also on tektek, which goes back two years. Saying the old market didn't have the graphs so I have no way of verifying my assertion is simply a lazy rebuttal.

3.) What's happening with the prices of the DIs/MCs, super rares, and so on is, in large part, a direct response to the 2% sales fee, because, yes, people who use the market to vend do calculate the fee into their pricing. If they didn't, buying an item for 99k and selling it for 100k would be a net loss, and that's not what you want to have when you're a vendor. What the fee has induced is simply accelerated appreciation. You can call it inflation if you like, but it isn't accurate.

Inflation is, as you said, 20k in two days, but almost always, prices come back down from that. If they don't? Then that's the buyer's fault for being willing to pay those prices just as much as it's the seller's fault for jacking the price up to begin with.

Thing is, will this even be an issue in six months time? Doubtful. It will almost certainly, for most items, be considered a bubble, which is a point I was making repeatedly during the whining about the bag of win. Prices will stabilize, provided gaia doesn't blunder again and dump a few billion gold into the economy and spike market speculation because of it.

4.) Ticket items are the only valid counter rebuttal you made to what I said in my post. You are, however, overlooking that they were inflating before the bag of win was released because cards and slots were down, and ticket items always rise in price when that happens. Why some of them haven't come back down now that cards and slots are working again I'm not sure, but it's likely because people are lazy and therefore willing to buy them at those prices. I expect they'll eventually come back down to their usual 2-3x ticket price. They always do. And because they're commons, their pricing generally has nothing to do with the 2% sales fee, which makes them in inapplicable example in that regard.

5.) Did I say I was pissed off about the fee? No. I may not be happy having it there, but that doesn't mean it pisses me off. If it pissed me off, I'd vend in the exchange instead of in the market. With the market having finally stabilized to its presence, it's a consistent and effective gold sink, so I'd rather keep it because we need that gold sinkage. What I'm not for is increasing it, because that would speed even further the appreciation rate of limiteds and super rares, which would make it even more difficult for newer people on the site to get hold of them. That is also the reason I wasn't for the fee in the beginning, either, because I knew it would ramp appreciation. Never mind the entirely predictable bout of inflation that followed its implementation.

6.) More generally, what I fail to understand is why you even suggested raising the 2% sales fee when you concede it's not a good idea to do so and would likely be counterproductive.
 
     


"Anatole France"
It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion.
 
"Endrael"
Blah blah blah


Well I thought you had some valid points but then you posted this nonsensical spam.

Maybe next time you can share something more intelligent and well thought out then a lengthy rant about how much of an a*****e I am.
     
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"Redimus Prime X"
"Ebb n Flow Man"
I have a strange idea for a gold sink. Wig Vouchers. surprised

Pay 10,000 gold for one Wig Voucher that will allow you to make one of the salon's hairstyles into a wig. I don't think the coding for it would be too difficult to implement. 10,000 may seem pricey, but I've spent at least 20,000 gold switching hairstyles, so it doesn't seem unfair to me.

No one could really benefit from selling a voucher or the wig that was made. It wouldn't make sense for someone to sell a voucher or wig for more than 10,000, if they do sell one then the 2% tax will send a bit more gold into the void.

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EBB~


Actually the salon is a gold sink already. No voucher necessary.

The necessity to shell out gold for an often temporary hair styles is a pretty good way to make gold disappear.

In fact if they could it so item layered better on the Zurg avatars, the red bino and zurg energy drinks would probably start being a minor little gold sink in and off themselves as well.


Ebb is SO so wrong about this anyway. I say that because next thing you know, everybody will at some point, have all wigs and the salon would become useless. Even if this were to become a one-time deal where you can only get the voucher once, you will have people with their stupid cheating when making mule accounts just to get a new one because they wont be happy having just one or wanting to get more so they can sell voucher or wig on the market. This is NOT a good idea at all! Enough with the damned wigs idea! We will NEVER have wigs that will be the same as the hairstyles in the salon for a very good reason! ANY wigs we get will always be different. Get used to it!
 
     
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Spread your wings and let self fly...
 
(as i got the Katana finally i can finally support this)

i fully support the second proposed idea.
     
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"Redimus Prime X"
"Tillisnut"
I support 2 of those. I am not in favor of a higher sales tax at all.


Do you have a reason why?



It's been stated before that a higher sales fee leads to higher prices because people compensate for the difference. It has happened with the 2% we already have. That's why.
So if someone wants to sell something and get 100g, it gets listed for 102g instead.
 
     
 
I beleive that a few things work in theory but don't do so well when put into action. The lotto? I would but I'm not to sure how that'll work. The tax, I'd say no.
     


I can has tickets, pweese? redface
"Tillisnut"
"Redimus Prime X"
"Tillisnut"
I support 2 of those. I am not in favor of a higher sales tax at all.


Do you have a reason why?



It's been stated before that a higher sales fee leads to higher prices because people compensate for the difference. It has happened with the 2% we already have. That's why.
So if someone wants to sell something and get 100g, it gets listed for 102g instead.


Not true. The competitive nature of the market place makes such a practice untenable. As I argued in regards to that earlier.
 
     
Follower of the Way, Templar.

Clan: Immortals of Valhalla
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