hiding equipped items = frustrating, and less money for you.

[Miles To Go]

It took me two hours just to figure out what ONE item was, because the person wearing it ignored my question. I only even found out because someone in QnA finally responded to my thread (which took forever in itself). burning_eyes

I HATE the disable option, I have no intentions of copying anyone, I only use it to figure out "wtf is that item, I don't remember ever seeing it before".

I mean for profiles it's totally understandable for layout purposes, but in the actual list? Come on.

I am also very happy to see tektek has a workaround, so I'm bookmarking this thread for future reference. heart

[Flying Dicks]

Nuxus

Well I dont want anyone knowing what I am wearing. I have my own style of avatars and dont want anyone to copy them really. They can simply ask me what item is what. And there IS tektek.org.

Golden Laurels
Enchanted Book hair
Unicorn horn
Lusty scoundrel shine
padmavatis lotus cloud skin
fallen wish star pastie
fremeres guard eyes
Angelic pendant OR one of the various knock-offs (holy gauntlet etc)
winged anklets.


I think I'm pretty close.
Also, tektek goes off of the list being enabled, if its disabled in the pro and in your drop down, you can't use tektek for it.
(the following is more of a general rant not directed at the quoted user, I have to state this or else people get their panties in a bunch and have a fit about me yelling at them)
But really, the whole " I'M SO ******** ORIGINAL I s**t GOLD" is overblown, nobody is ******** original, people will copy you if they want to copy you END OF STORY. I used to enter the arena, and the highest placing avatar I ever had, (17th) was pretty much so unoriginal the next week that I couldnt enter again anyways. When you have something, if it is anything close to original, it wont last long.
But you know what, I don't really mind, cause in the end it was just me putting stuff I didn't make together in a pretty cool way, and who am I to say nobody else has the right to do that? someone even asked me to help make them one in another color and I did, because theres no reason to be an a*****e about it.

But honestly, nobody is truly original because nobody here CREATES a unique item for themselves. they use the same source material as everyone else. It's like insisting you have the best block tower in kindergarten and trying to hide the blocks you used so nobody can copy you. It's stupid, selfish, and really a useless endeavor.

Sadly, this comes up about once a month or so, and in the end the reasons boil down to:
1. I want people to come ask me so that I feel special
2. I want people to come ask me so I can have more friends
3. I want to be a p***k and not let people know just for the hell of it (this has been said almost verbatim multiple times in other threads)
4. It's my right since Gaia put the feature in and I have decided that they are incapable of taking it away.
5. YOU JUST WANT TO STEAL MY IDEAS!!!111 HAXXX00RRZZZZZZZ!

[Zodas Revenge]

Adreena

Actually some people have it hidden because they don't want attention brought to themselves. And if someone REALLY needs to know what someone else is wearing then how much effort does it really take to PM them? rolleyes

I know of at least one person who has said that his/her Equipped List was disabled for a reason. I have to agree with him/her, because honestly if someone has their equipped list disabled, I automatically think they want it to remain private. Using it as a conversation starter, while a somewhat interesting idea, is kind of counter intuitive considering how some people view hiding the list in the first place. It seems to me like that would just make the people who _don't_ want the PMs more annoyed because other people will assume they're just doing it to start a conversation rather than honest-to-goodness privacy (don't slam me for saying privacy even if it's not really private, please gonk ).

[Flying Dicks]

Kaiba the Revenge

Adreena

Actually some people have it hidden because they don't want attention brought to themselves. And if someone REALLY needs to know what someone else is wearing then how much effort does it really take to PM them? rolleyes

I know of at least one person who has said that his/her Equipped List was disabled for a reason. I have to agree with him/her, because honestly if someone has their equipped list disabled, I automatically think they want it to remain private. Using it as a conversation starter, while a somewhat interesting idea, is kind of counter intuitive considering how some people view hiding the list in the first place.

You'd be surprised how stupid people are.
I say that as in, I get so many PMs wearing an item that just looks similar to something expensive. One of my 'friends' thought the gothic veil was a nightmare sash once. They harassed me for weeks.
I wont say people dont get bugged for expensive items.. but you can solve that by putting your pms as friends only and asking people to comment you to talk, thats a good strategy anyways since it keeps you from getting bugged by stupid scam pms! smile

[AloysiusWeasley]

No, it just makes you look like even more of a wannabe special snowflake. I'm not going to stretch the page with a big-a** quote tree because you can't reply properly.

I'm not complaining because I use the list very much at all (being one of those people who welcomes queries from others in identifying items), but to help out others who are left at a loss. Newer people who might not know their way around the site and the items as well as I do, or a friend who hasn't seen that item before. Unlike people who feel the need to be fussy whiners and protect their OMG SO SPUSHUL avvies, I help people rather than hinder them.

Trust me, I highly doubt anyone wants to know whatever it is you're wearing. If we were going by that, then would you then spit on the person that asked and tell them "LOLOLOL, ******** you, I'm not telling because of privacy/just want to be a d**k to you/whatever"? I didn't think so. Doing such would be considered terribly rude, and on here, I think no different of the people who have their lists disabled.
I already said how the "hard work" harmed me, and I'm not the first. Read moar. And how is having lists public "harming" you in any way again?

I don't consider it using the site properly, and neither do many other people in this thread. That's why the OP is asking for this feature to be changed, since all it's doing now is promoting dickish behavior and hindering normal use of the site. One of the main draws of Gaia is the avatars, and by keeping people from being able to use them how they see fit (within the rules set up by Gaia), it's just hindering users and likely hurting Gaia's bottom line. By the way, Gaia wouldn't tell you even if it was hurting them, they don't tend to do things like that.

...Why in the hell would I want to talk to someone who made it clear they want to be an a*****e and make my life difficult? Kaiba the Revenge also had a brilliant point - disabling their equipped lists REALLY puts out the welcome mat to ask about their items.

[Itami Of Kasai]

I totally agree with the OP here. I have been bugged by this feature ever since it came out x_x;

AnimeJet

People who hide items just want attention (pm me to find out!) or are insanely egotistic (everyone is gonna steal my super awesome original idea!).

Why?

Because they all say you could just use tektek or ask Q&A to find out, so they are actively acknowledging you can find out no matter what, they just want to make it harder for you.

What dicks.

This.
Though I'm sure this doesn't apply to "every" human being out there, this seems to be the main mentality of the people I've come across who use this option.

And honestly looking something up in the MP or on tektek is not an easy way to find the item at all if you have no idea what the name of the item is.
For the record there have been many times when I have tried using both the MP and tektek and still not been able to find the item I was originally looking for.
It takes hours to sift through both places trying to find the correct item and the un-updated tags in the MP make it that much harder.
As others have already said here this especially applies to current EI's (multiple poses in different generations.) RIG items (often completely new to the site) and very old MC's (new users would not know about them).
As someone who has a life to live, and currently has collage to deal with I just don't have the time nor want to waste the effort in looking for an item (a fake pixel one no less) for over an hour. It's ridiculous.
So far I have yet to see a valid argument for keeping an equip list private.
It does not detour beggars, it does not help your privacy ( as it promotes PM/comment questions) and it does not help against hacking in any way.

Don't get me wrong, normally I would totally support a users choice to privacy (such as a friends only profile, journal etc.) but in this situation when you are trying to keep an item which you are wearing on your avi...in plain sight...hidden...it's complete logic fail. There is no other way to describe it.

[Flying Dicks]

AloysiusWeasley

No, it just makes you look like even more of a wannabe special snowflake. I'm not going to stretch the page with a big-a** quote tree because you can't reply properly.

I'm not complaining because I use the list very much at all (being one of those people who welcomes queries from others in identifying items), but to help out others who are left at a loss. Newer people who might not know their way around the site and the items as well as I do, or a friend who hasn't seen that item before. Unlike people who feel the need to be fussy whiners and protect their OMG SO SPUSHUL avvies, I help people rather than hinder them.

Trust me, I highly doubt anyone wants to know whatever it is you're wearing. If we were going by that, then would you then spit on the person that asked and tell them "LOLOLOL, ******** you, I'm not telling because of privacy/just want to be a d**k to you/whatever"? I didn't think so. Doing such would be considered terribly rude, and on here, I think no different of the people who have their lists disabled.
I already said how the "hard work" harmed me, and I'm not the first. Read moar. And how is having lists public "harming" you in any way again?

I don't consider it using the site properly, and neither do many other people in this thread. That's why the OP is asking for this feature to be changed, since all it's doing now is promoting dickish behavior and hindering normal use of the site. One of the main draws of Gaia is the avatars, and by keeping people from being able to use them how they see fit (within the rules set up by Gaia), it's just hindering users and likely hurting Gaia's bottom line. By the way, Gaia wouldn't tell you even if it was hurting them, they don't tend to do things like that.

...Why in the hell would I want to talk to someone who made it clear they want to be an a*****e and make my life difficult? Kaiba the Revenge also had a brilliant point - disabling their equipped lists REALLY puts out the welcome mat to ask about their items.

Seconding/thirding the bolded bit, and many of your other points as well.

Really, if anything, all Damien_the_omen is proving is that there seems to be a rather consistent mentality to all the people who oppose the option being removed. I know better than to make such a huge generalization, so I will say I think some people are just innocently concerned or some-such, but honestly in all the times I've seen this argument I've never once seen someone against it who wasn't going out of their way to insult the people they were trying to debate with, or just generally being a poor sport. I hope it's okay to say that?

[Joshua Leoncoeur]

Flying Dicks

AloysiusWeasley

No, it just makes you look like even more of a wannabe special snowflake. I'm not going to stretch the page with a big-a** quote tree because you can't reply properly.

I'm not complaining because I use the list very much at all (being one of those people who welcomes queries from others in identifying items), but to help out others who are left at a loss. Newer people who might not know their way around the site and the items as well as I do, or a friend who hasn't seen that item before. Unlike people who feel the need to be fussy whiners and protect their OMG SO SPUSHUL avvies, I help people rather than hinder them.

Trust me, I highly doubt anyone wants to know whatever it is you're wearing. If we were going by that, then would you then spit on the person that asked and tell them "LOLOLOL, ******** you, I'm not telling because of privacy/just want to be a d**k to you/whatever"? I didn't think so. Doing such would be considered terribly rude, and on here, I think no different of the people who have their lists disabled.
I already said how the "hard work" harmed me, and I'm not the first. Read moar. And how is having lists public "harming" you in any way again?

I don't consider it using the site properly, and neither do many other people in this thread. That's why the OP is asking for this feature to be changed, since all it's doing now is promoting dickish behavior and hindering normal use of the site. One of the main draws of Gaia is the avatars, and by keeping people from being able to use them how they see fit (within the rules set up by Gaia), it's just hindering users and likely hurting Gaia's bottom line. By the way, Gaia wouldn't tell you even if it was hurting them, they don't tend to do things like that.

...Why in the hell would I want to talk to someone who made it clear they want to be an a*****e and make my life difficult? Kaiba the Revenge also had a brilliant point - disabling their equipped lists REALLY puts out the welcome mat to ask about their items.

Seconding/thirding the bolded bit, and many of your other points as well.

Really, if anything, all Damien_the_omen is proving is that there seems to be a rather consistent mentality to all the people who oppose the option being removed. I know better than to make such a huge generalization, so I will say I think some people are just innocently concerned or some-such, but honestly in all the times I've seen this argument I've never once seen someone against it who wasn't going out of their way to insult the people they were trying to debate with, or just generally being a poor sport. I hope it's okay to say that?

Don't forget the tendency to use the Slippery Slope fallacy argument.

There's no discernible, "scientific" (read: factually supported) reason for the equipped list-hiding.

[AloysiusWeasley]

Flying Dicks

AloysiusWeasley

No, it just makes you look like even more of a wannabe special snowflake. I'm not going to stretch the page with a big-a** quote tree because you can't reply properly.

I'm not complaining because I use the list very much at all (being one of those people who welcomes queries from others in identifying items), but to help out others who are left at a loss. Newer people who might not know their way around the site and the items as well as I do, or a friend who hasn't seen that item before. Unlike people who feel the need to be fussy whiners and protect their OMG SO SPUSHUL avvies, I help people rather than hinder them.

Trust me, I highly doubt anyone wants to know whatever it is you're wearing. If we were going by that, then would you then spit on the person that asked and tell them "LOLOLOL, ******** you, I'm not telling because of privacy/just want to be a d**k to you/whatever"? I didn't think so. Doing such would be considered terribly rude, and on here, I think no different of the people who have their lists disabled.
I already said how the "hard work" harmed me, and I'm not the first. Read moar. And how is having lists public "harming" you in any way again?

I don't consider it using the site properly, and neither do many other people in this thread. That's why the OP is asking for this feature to be changed, since all it's doing now is promoting dickish behavior and hindering normal use of the site. One of the main draws of Gaia is the avatars, and by keeping people from being able to use them how they see fit (within the rules set up by Gaia), it's just hindering users and likely hurting Gaia's bottom line. By the way, Gaia wouldn't tell you even if it was hurting them, they don't tend to do things like that.

...Why in the hell would I want to talk to someone who made it clear they want to be an a*****e and make my life difficult? Kaiba the Revenge also had a brilliant point - disabling their equipped lists REALLY puts out the welcome mat to ask about their items.

Seconding/thirding the bolded bit, and many of your other points as well.

Really, if anything, all Damien_the_omen is proving is that there seems to be a rather consistent mentality to all the people who oppose the option being removed. I know better than to make such a huge generalization, so I will say I think some people are just innocently concerned or some-such, but honestly in all the times I've seen this argument I've never once seen someone against it who wasn't going out of their way to insult the people they were trying to debate with, or just generally being a poor sport. I hope it's okay to say that?

Exactly. That's why I just march in here in full b***h mode whenever this topic comes up, because the opponents of having equipped lists always made public are always so rude, and come up with the worst excuses. From what I've ever seen, it always comes down to those people doing it JUST to be rude (I personally think it's some kind of control issue thing, really) as the majority, and a smaller set that either do it because of Arenas (people have already posted up ways around it, myself included), or because they harbor paranoid delusions that someone is always running around, copying their every avatar. I'm amazed I haven't seen one of the latter in here yet.

I just hope those up at HQ will reconsider this site feature, as right now it's kind of like Personals, in a way - it might have been a nice idea at one point, and there were good intentions with it, but it ended up just being used against the spirit of the site, and particularly with the equipped list feature, it most definitely goes against the community spirit of the site. They make a big deal out of the social aspects of the site (especially with zOMG >.< ), but then turn around and set up the equipped list in such a way that people use it just to be rude, inconsiderate, and a hindrance to other users.

...I hope that made sense. sweatdrop

[Andromeda Phoenix]

*sways on top of the fence that separates the agreeing side and the disagreeing side*

With that said,this feature annoys me. Not horribly so, but it does. Really only 'cause I run into it so often. If I didn't constantly stare at the RIG item lists in the GCD for a few days every time a new one came out, I would have no idea what at least 60% of the items people these days are wearing are. And sometimes that doesn't even work. However, I can respect that for whatever reason, these people just don't want you seeing what the heck they're wearing. For me, it just falls in line with the whole "Respect someone's opinion whether you think it stupid or not" thing. And someone in another thread said something along the lines of, users like options. If you make a feature, give people the option to disable it. Which makes a good bit of sense. Keeps the majority of users happy. So, I can put up with it. sweatdrop

[ChrisJS]

AloysiusWeasley

Trust me, I highly doubt anyone wants to know whatever it is you're wearing. If we were going by that, then would you then spit on the person that asked and tell them "LOLOLOL, ******** you, I'm not telling because of privacy/just want to be a d**k to you/whatever"? I didn't think so. Doing such would be considered terribly rude, and on here, I think no different of the people who have their lists disabled.
I already said how the "hard work" harmed me, and I'm not the first. Read moar. And how is having lists public "harming" you in any way again?


...Why in the hell would I want to talk to someone who made it clear they want to be an a*****e and make my life difficult? Kaiba the Revenge also had a brilliant point - disabling their equipped lists REALLY puts out the welcome mat to ask about their items.

While I don't disagree with the OP completely, this mindset you are setting forth shows more of your ability to generalize and insult than it does your ability to reasonably argue/discuss a point. and the fact that you are so painfully generalizing kind of makes me want to go and disable my equipped list just because you are already assuming that I (because I was arguing for saving disabled equipped lists) am an a*****e whom only wants to flaunt my richness (I wish sweatdrop ). Why not fit the bill you've set out for me?

Then again, I'd like to think I'm more mature than that. And I don't really care myself whether you see my list or not.

Flying Dicks

Really, if anything, all Damien_the_omen is proving is that there seems to be a rather consistent mentality to all the people who oppose the option being removed. I know better than to make such a huge generalization, so I will say I think some people are just innocently concerned or some-such, but honestly in all the times I've seen this argument I've never once seen someone against it who wasn't going out of their way to insult the people they were trying to debate with, or just generally being a poor sport. I hope it's okay to say that?

Quite ironic, really. I found this to be true of the majority of the people for this request here, not against it. Most of the mudslinging is coming from the pro-list-vieweres, not the non. confused

[Flying Dicks]

ChrisJS

AloysiusWeasley

Trust me, I highly doubt anyone wants to know whatever it is you're wearing. If we were going by that, then would you then spit on the person that asked and tell them "LOLOLOL, ******** you, I'm not telling because of privacy/just want to be a d**k to you/whatever"? I didn't think so. Doing such would be considered terribly rude, and on here, I think no different of the people who have their lists disabled.
I already said how the "hard work" harmed me, and I'm not the first. Read moar. And how is having lists public "harming" you in any way again?


...Why in the hell would I want to talk to someone who made it clear they want to be an a*****e and make my life difficult? Kaiba the Revenge also had a brilliant point - disabling their equipped lists REALLY puts out the welcome mat to ask about their items.

While I don't disagree with the OP completely, this mindset you are setting forth shows more of your ability to generalize and insult than it does your ability to reasonably argue/discuss a point. and the fact that you are so painfully generalizing kind of makes me want to go and disable my equipped list just because you are already assuming that I (because I was arguing for saving disabled equipped lists) am an a*****e whom only wants to flaunt my richness (I wish sweatdrop ). Why not fit the bill you've set out for me?

Then again, I'd like to think I'm more mature than that. And I don't really care myself whether you see my list or not.

Flying Dicks

Really, if anything, all Damien_the_omen is proving is that there seems to be a rather consistent mentality to all the people who oppose the option being removed. I know better than to make such a huge generalization, so I will say I think some people are just innocently concerned or some-such, but honestly in all the times I've seen this argument I've never once seen someone against it who wasn't going out of their way to insult the people they were trying to debate with, or just generally being a poor sport. I hope it's okay to say that?

Quite ironic, really. I found this to be true of the majority of the people for this request here, not against it. Most of the mudslinging is coming from the pro-list-vieweres, not the non. confused

Only replying to the part that was directed at my post.. too lazy to edit the quote (I -OWN- my flaws =P )

Well, while I see that, I attribute that to normal SF attitude. When this topic comes up, you get people coming out from the avatar forums, or well, from nowhere at all, and they seem to march in as if you are asking them to do something horrible. As well, though I may have been rude, all the reasons I gave previously are real reasons and yes, the whole unique snowflake thing really annoys me. It's pretty well known that not much that is completely unique is left in the world, much less an avatar site where everyone has the same tools and materials used for creation. It really is like the block tower analogy- the opposing side is just being selfish, whereas the supporting side usually is just frustrated with the selfishness and overall difficulty of the opposing side.

I'm not going to say either one is justifiable, because thats not for me to decide, and I havent read this whole thread, but I haven't seen Aloy (for example) be as bad as Damien (for example) who in every segment of his reply was saying stuff like "Bawwwwww" and that she has a fragile ego, as well as insinuating that she is of lesser intelligence, then he claims that he is civil. In this example, at least Aloy is admitting that she comes out "in full b***h mode" and WHY she does it.
I don't mean this to be insulting either of the users, it's only for illustrative purposes using material here in the thread.

As well, there have been past threads that boiled down to about 3-4 people who fought relentlessly against it, and it degenerated into somewhat of a mudslinging contest. "Oh, I guess you're lazy because you dont want to work for it", "If there are workarounds just use them instead" and finally at the end of the day, a number of the users admitted their main reasoning was just to be a p***k/a*****e/b***h. The others insisted it spurred conversation. This is odd since when I ask someone what an item is it results in 3 PMs "What is *item here* ?" "This is what it is" "Thanks", and never once has it resulted in a discussion. There just isn't a valid argument against it, and it really boils down to people just being stubborn and selfish.

[AloysiusWeasley]

Andromeda Phoenix

*sways on top of the fence that separates the agreeing side and the disagreeing side*

With that said,this feature annoys me. Not horribly so, but it does. Really only 'cause I run into it so often. If I didn't constantly stare at the RIG item lists in the GCD for a few days every time a new one came out, I would have no idea what at least 60% of the items people these days are wearing are. And sometimes that doesn't even work. However, I can respect that for whatever reason, these people just don't want you seeing what the heck they're wearing. For me, it just falls in line with the whole "Respect someone's opinion whether you think it stupid or not" thing. And someone in another thread said something along the lines of, users like options. If you make a feature, give people the option to disable it. Which makes a good bit of sense. Keeps the majority of users happy. So, I can put up with it. sweatdrop

Lulz, if it wasn't for Vivian, I likely wouldn't know either. xD
I feel your pain, though - occasionally the really large EI's will still trip me up (the Urn is really good for that), and then seeing their equipped list doesn't do any good, particularly when they're wearing many EI's all at once. I use it for the occasional store common that escapes my notice. xp

The thing about the latter is, people wanted to disable...say, the footer, because it caused lag. I haven't seen any arguments for disabling people's equipped lists that either didn't make sense, or were purely for spite. If disabling the lists was somehow helpful to them, I wouldn't be as against it, but all it's used for is to hinder others. *shrugs*

@ChrisJS: I thought the comparison was a good one.
Anyway, I don't have a problem with me generalizing in this situation. As I've been saying all along in this thread, there isn't a good excuse to disable it, and I've been in a zillion threads on this since the day it came out, and no one can tell me why. Since the grand, vast majority of people seem to do it just to be dicks to other users and make it abundantly clear that such is their reasoning, I don't feel sorry for thinking the way that I do about them. I really don't think it has a thing at all to do about their 'richness', it's simple control over others - the people who disable it then claim they don't care if people PM or comment them asking are trying to force people to ask them so they can feel superior/special/whatever.

[ChrisJS]

AloysiusWeasley

@ChrisJS: I thought the comparison was a good one.
Anyway, I don't have a problem with me generalizing in this situation. As I've been saying all along in this thread, there isn't a good excuse to disable it, and I've been in a zillion threads on this since the day it came out, and no one can tell me why. Since the grand, vast majority of people seem to do it just to be dicks to other users and make it abundantly clear that such is their reasoning, I don't feel sorry for thinking the way that I do about them. I really don't think it has a thing at all to do about their 'richness', it's simple control over others - the people who disable it then claim they don't care if people PM or comment them asking are trying to force people to ask them so they can feel superior/special/whatever.

Noted. While I understand your point, especially if you've battled this many times before, I don't condone such harsh over-generalizing. It's not going to make people like me (speaking for myself) want to bend to your wishes any more so when I read your posts and feel insulted (which I did..and my list isn't even disabled).

And about the control? I can sort of understand this. Why hide something that you may well tell to someone yourself anyways? And I have done this. I once had some one ask me about every item I was wearing. And I took the time to list for them every single one. In truth, I was flattered someone even payed attention to my avatar. (Looking back I don't remember whether I had my list visible or not. If I didn't, it wasn't on purpose). Then again, some people may not tell others their items personally for the same reasons they don't have their list visible. Do I agree with them? Mayhap, mayhap not. But does that mean I should ask for their choice to be taken away? I don't think I can say yes comfortably.

But I respect that you may disagree with me on some points here.