Dev response on pg.8! We want items straight to CS!

Would you buy more if the new RIG prizes were directly in the CS?

YES!	80.1%	[ 534 ]
No.	12.3%	[ 82 ]
Poll whore?	7.6%	[ 51 ]
Total Votes:			[ 667 ]

[Valgaror]

I would buy, with IRL money, possibly multiples of any number of these items (ESPECIALLY THE GUNS OH GOD I WANT WEAPONRY) but there's no way I'm getting another ******** RIG. I'm sick of this. Shitty odds and it looks like it'll be another one of those moronic levelling ones. The past few have created instant multi-million unattainable status items and it's ridiculous.

Only way I'd buy it is if it's an actual game that'd require skill instead of luck to get the items.

We sing the praises of war
Not for the way it makes people die
But for the way it makes people come alive.

[Miles To Go]

I'm kind of torn on this topic. I know it seems ideal because it eliminates the chance of items costing 3m.

But at the same time, if they just suddenly put 15 new items in the cash shop... well that alone would drive up the cost of all cash shop items. And I really think this is something most of us don't consider, nor do we want.

So I guess in a way, I think we are luckier to have RIGs. The settings still need to be adjusted though, ofcourse. But I think if they pursued settings that would create fairer marketplace prices on the rarer items, it would be perfect.

[Djubre]

Miles To Go

But at the same time, if they just suddenly put 15 new items in the cash shop... well that alone would drive up the cost of all cash shop items. And I really think this is something most of us don't consider, nor do we want.

Djubre says:

...Wait, how would this raise the cost of everything else? o___0

[Lily Labtech]

What happen Gaia? Did you get a government bail-out and then have Obama tell you that you had to put all items people have been wanting for years into another RIG? Or was it more bad advice from Sagger-AT3? (You know, the same guy who failed at Gaian economics so bad they removed all his stickies from SF?) Seriously, what posessed you to make this move? You guys seriously have no economic sense what-so-ever, do you?

Here we are, in the middle of a finacial crisis, and your producing more chance items? People have less disposable income, and you want them to blow it all on the CHANCE of getting the item they want? Do you realize that a lot of the kids you have been targeting as Gaia's main "audience" can't get much money from their parents anymore? Sure, during good times an item like this might not cause much of a roar, but things aren't good. Look out your windows, the state of Calafornia is on the verge of bankruptcy, and here you are expecting us to buy into another CHANCE item? You truely have gone mad, haven't you?

Good luck in you future Gaia, however long that might be...

[sakura_kasugano]

WOWWWWWW. Suddenly teenagers know more about sales than Gaia itself! 10th grade Commerce/Economics must be beyond industry standard! eek

It is a ridiculous argument to make that Gaia can become "filthy rich" from injecting RIG items to CS. If hypothetically this were to happen, sales in future RIGs would obviously suffer because there'll be no point in buying RIGs if everyone could have sudden access to these items. Essentially, those who agree to have RIG items in CS are really boycotting RIGs altogether.

Also, Gaia knows how much sales they are making from non-RIG items because cash users have more control over the supply and Gaia has very little. However, RIGs give more control of the supply to Gaia. And more people buy RIGs to gain that control.

From what I've read on these forums, the amount of people bitching about Mercury's Moon then seeing the supply in the marketplace, it is no wonder the price is so high. Rare items make you look unique to everyone else. It is not about elitism as panoptes suggests. People want to look different and make themselves stand out from others. If you want to achieve that, then you will have to pay more.

[Ser James Thatcher]

sakura_kasugano

WOWWWWWW. Suddenly teenagers know more about sales than Gaia itself! 10th grade Commerce/Economics must be beyond industry standard! eek

It is a ridiculous argument to make that Gaia can become "filthy rich" from injecting RIG items to CS. If hypothetically this were to happen, sales in future RIGs would obviously suffer because there'll be no point in buying RIGs if everyone could have sudden access to these items. Essentially, those who agree to have RIG items in CS are really boycotting RIGs altogether.

Also, Gaia knows how much sales they are making from non-RIG items because cash users have more control over the supply and Gaia has very little. However, RIGs give more control of the supply to Gaia. And more people buy RIGs to gain that control.

From what I've read on these forums, the amount of people bitching about Mercury's Moon then seeing the supply in the marketplace, it is no wonder the price is so high. Rare items make you look unique to everyone else. It is not about elitism as panoptes suggests. People want to look different and make themselves stand out from others. If you want to achieve that, then you will have to pay more.

Incorrect; What you're suggesting is, in fact, item-based elitism. One shouldn't have to have an item that almost nobody else has to stand out; It's all in the combination of items you wear and how you wear the item.

Tons of people have a first-gen Fremere's Guard, but while other people may wear the same poses, nobody wears it like me. Understand?

[sakura_kasugano]

Sir James Thatcher

Incorrect; What you're suggesting is, in fact, item-based elitism. One shouldn't have to have an item that almost nobody else has to stand out; It's all in the combination of items you wear and how you wear the item.

Tons of people have a first-gen Fremere's Guard, but while other people may wear the same poses, nobody wears it like me. Understand?

Elitism is an attitude that suggests you are better than others in certain aspects. So, in what way did I suggest because people want to stand out and look different that they are better? I think it's just a matter of emphasis.

You think--
Different = Elitism.

I think--
Status = Elitism.

Although, you can wear a pandy pack 3 different ways and people can still identify that you have a pandy pack. Just because you wear it differently, doesn't exactly make you different. I hate going out in public and finding someone else with the same jacket, t-shirt, laptop bag or headphones as I no matter how different they wear it.

[Ser James Thatcher]

sakura_kasugano

Sir James Thatcher

Incorrect; What you're suggesting is, in fact, item-based elitism. One shouldn't have to have an item that almost nobody else has to stand out; It's all in the combination of items you wear and how you wear the item.

Tons of people have a first-gen Fremere's Guard, but while other people may wear the same poses, nobody wears it like me. Understand?

Elitism is an attitude that suggests you are better than others in certain aspects. So, in what way did I suggest because people want to stand out and look different that they are better? I think it's just a matter of emphasis.

You think--
Different = Elitism.

I think--
Status = Elitism.

Although, you can wear a pandy pack 3 different ways and people can still identify that you have a pandy pack. Just because you wear it differently, doesn't exactly make you different. I hate going out in public and finding someone else with the same jacket, t-shirt, laptop bag or headphones as I no matter how different they wear it.

No, if I were suggesting difference were elitism I would be suggesting that I should be dressing exactly like you or vice-versa. My thinking is that it's elitist to want OTHERS to NOT have a certain thing just so you can stand out and look different; The rarity of an item and the price reflecting that should not reflect status at all.

I actually PREFER people be different. I just don't think that difference should depend on item rarity and 'lol I have something u don't.'

And to be fair, two people wearing the same jacket are two people wearing the same jacket; In this case a closer comparison is being upset because someone's wearing an article of clothing from the same, say, Fall Line as you. Say the "Private Eye Couture" collection is out; I have the trenchcoat, you have the fedora. (Because that's really more close to what it's like to be wearing the same item on different poses.)

Do either of us have a right to be upset at eachother?

[Rock Rebellion]

UPC Betsy

Mythril Dragonfly

I know I lurk more than post but I still consider myself an SFer! gonk And I'm not ashamed. Please don't speak for everyone.

I happen to love RIGs..... even though I blow way too much money on them.

I thought it was understood that in order to battle the AIing of things like Mercury's Moon, more RIGs would have to be released to make them a little more common.

Or they could just release them into the CS.

******** item rarity. I'm willing to bet that most people want items, such as Mercury's Moon, for aesthetic purposes, not because it's super rare.

or you could at lest try it instead of complaining all the time =/

[Lady Kayura]

I am more amiable to buying items directly. I could buy the items I want for myself then sell a bunch to people via the marketplace. I'd spend more money buying the items directly than I will on RIG.

[sakura_kasugano]

Sir James Thatcher

No, if I were suggesting difference were elitism I would be suggesting that I should be dressing exactly like you or vice-versa. My thinking is that it's elitist to want OTHERS to NOT have a certain thing just so you can stand out and look different;

The rarity of an item and the price reflecting that should not reflect status at all.

I actually PREFER people be different. I just don't think that difference should depend on item rarity and 'lol I have something u don't.'

And to be fair, two people wearing the same jacket are two people wearing the same jacket; In this case a closer comparison is being upset because someone's wearing an article of clothing from the same, say, Fall Line as you. Say the "Private Eye Couture" collection is out; I have the trenchcoat, you have the fedora. (Because that's really more close to what it's like to be wearing the same item on different poses.)

Do either of us have a right to be upset at eachother?

No, that is not elitist. That's just disassociation. Elitists have the intention to put themselves above the rest. Standing out just means standing out ...like a huge hairy mole. Just because people want to dress a certain way and for you not to copy them does not mean they are elitist. It just means they don't want to be plagiarized (even if it means right down to the item name). Like you said, you prefer people to be different. Whether you like it or not, item rarity gives that kind of avenue. Don't rob people of that.

With regard to "I just don't think that difference should depend on item rarity and 'lol I have something u don't.'" Yes, Difference should ALSO depend on item rarity because people should earn something from it. And I don't know who teased or flashed an item in your face or who "LOL"led at you. Maybe that's your desire for items doing that.

And no I'm not upset at you. I like being argumentative.

[Ser James Thatcher]

sakura_kasugano

Sir James Thatcher

No, if I were suggesting difference were elitism I would be suggesting that I should be dressing exactly like you or vice-versa. My thinking is that it's elitist to want OTHERS to NOT have a certain thing just so you can stand out and look different;

The rarity of an item and the price reflecting that should not reflect status at all.

I actually PREFER people be different. I just don't think that difference should depend on item rarity and 'lol I have something u don't.'

And to be fair, two people wearing the same jacket are two people wearing the same jacket; In this case a closer comparison is being upset because someone's wearing an article of clothing from the same, say, Fall Line as you. Say the "Private Eye Couture" collection is out; I have the trenchcoat, you have the fedora. (Because that's really more close to what it's like to be wearing the same item on different poses.)

Do either of us have a right to be upset at eachother?

No, that is not elitist. That's just disassociation. Elitists have the intention to put themselves above the rest. Standing out just means standing out ...like a huge hairy mole. Just because people want to dress a certain way and for you not to copy them does not mean they are elitist. It just means they don't want to be plagiarized (even if it means right down to the item name). Like you said, you prefer people to be different. Whether you like it or not, item rarity gives that kind of avenue. Don't rob people of that.

With regard to "I just don't think that difference should depend on item rarity and 'lol I have something u don't.'" Yes, Difference should ALSO depend on item rarity because people should earn something from it. And I don't know who teased or flashed an item in your face or who "LOL"led at you. Maybe that's your desire for items doing that.

And no I'm not upset at you. I like being argumentative.

I didn't suggest you were actually upset at me, I was just saying - If I had the trenchcoat and you had the fedora, would that give either of us right to be pissed for having an item from the same fall line?

And that's fine and all - I just don't think that a new item freshly-released from the presses has any place being sold for more than things which by now qualify as the equivalent of ancient artifacts that belong in a museum.

That's like making a really, really nice coat... And then saying that you'll sell it for exactly the same that someone would pay for a still almost-perfect-condition coat that was worn by George Washington at the height of his presidency.

Maybe some people would buy it, but the price is still patently absurd.

And yes, I like being argumentative too, as long as it's civil and still has any logic to it.

And seriously, thank you for being that.

[creature0fhabit]

I'm reading all your posts, and most of it makes sense - however, what the heck does RIG stand for? Sorry for my noobiness. This would determine if I agree.

thaaaank yeeeeuuu

[sakura_kasugano]

Sir James Thatcher

I didn't suggest you were actually upset at me, I was just saying - If I had the trenchcoat and you had the fedora, would that give either of us right to be pissed for having an item from the same fall line?

And that's fine and all - I just don't think that a new item freshly-released from the presses has any place being sold for more than things which by now qualify as the equivalent of ancient artifacts that belong in a museum.

That's like making a really, really nice coat... And then saying that you'll sell it for exactly the same that someone would pay for a still almost-perfect-condition coat that was worn by George Washington at the height of his presidency.

Maybe some people would buy it, but the price is still patently absurd.

And yes, I like being argumentative too, as long as it's civil and still has any logic to it.

And seriously, thank you for being that.

My apologies for misreading the last bit. Of course it would be absurd for anyone to be peed off but the real matter is just sheer embarrassment of being labelled by some other as the "same as that dude" more or less. In Gaia it is different. There is an existence of people on Gaia who don't wish to have the same item as others.

I guess learning Gaia and the marketplace and the buyers force is a science. The more you understand it, the less critical you are of the way things work around here.

Also there's a simple explanation why new items cost more than some artifacts. Ugly items will always be ugly. Pretty items will always be pretty. Useless items will always be useless. That's how we get supply and demand to work around here.

[Yorugami]

@Creatureofhabit
RIC stand for Random Item Generators.
Aka chance item bundle thingies like Famestar and Emerald Seed =3=