Another housing update and the GUILDS GET NOTHING

[Alumina Kisarri]

Chibi Halo

Wow, I know you're frustrated that guilds isn't being updated the way you want when you want it but that's no reason to throw a hissy fit. And it's certainly no reason to get yourself or others in trouble all because you can't accept the fact that they could fix houses to do what it used to be able to do before the major reworking easier than making guilds work the way only you and few other would use them. Yes I run a guild, albeit a rather dead one, and it would be nice to be able to let members embed YouTube vids, tip each other, and subscribe to threads but I'd rather have a working out of date guild than a broken guild that looks like the rest of the site.

As far as I understood things with the guild proposals in the Spring Cleaning forums, they were separate things that Gaia could actually do in manageable controlled updates than doing them all in one lump update. I'd rather that they take baby steps than do everything all at once and possibly break the whole system. But no baby steps aren't good enough for you since you'd rather break the system and risk loosing thousands of threads just to get guilds looking the way you want them right this very instant. And if you don't get your way you whine and complain how it's not fair and how your guild full of captains should risk losing their guilds by spamming inboxes with angry PMs.

After seeing this thread and reading what was linked to I for one am glad I'm not a part of any user run guild for guild captains. You honestly make all of us look bad with your childish behavior regarding one single update.

This post, right here, explains my EXACT thoughts on this. Just, in a much better way I was able to word it. xD
I am a captain of two guilds, and a member of that guild. (Can't remember if I just randomly found it and decided to join, or if I had been invited to it. . - . ) However, I do not agree with boycotting the entire site just because the Guilds have yet to be updated. And I am definitely against spamming Lanzer's inbox, just because the captains are all butthurt about the guild updates - which seriously are NOT as important as other updates that are being worked on (Like the rumored whispers of the creation of Towns 2.0 for example,).

It will be attended to eventually, but it rather feels like Gaia's Staff is trying to work on a couple of things at a time. . - . Seriously, it doesn't bug me that Guilds don't have updates yet. They work, don't they? They still have somewhat of a use, don't they?

I honestly do not see the problem here. . - .

[Chibi Halo]

Alumina Kisarri

This post, right here, explains my EXACT thoughts on this. Just, in a much better way I was able to word it. xD
I am a captain of two guilds, and a member of that guild. (Can't remember if I just randomly found it and decided to join, or if I had been invited to it. . - . ) However, I do not agree with boycotting the entire site just because the Guilds have yet to be updated. And I am definitely against spamming Lanzer's inbox, just because the captains are all butthurt about the guild updates - which seriously are NOT as important as other updates that are being worked on (Like the rumored whispers of the creation of Towns 2.0 for example,).

It will be attended to eventually, but it rather feels like Gaia's Staff is trying to work on a couple of things at a time. . - . Seriously, it doesn't bug me that Guilds don't have updates yet. They work, don't they? They still have somewhat of a use, don't they?

I honestly do not see the problem here. . - .

I think this person feels like she failed her guild because there hasn't been anything to come from the Spring Cleaning proposals. Well guess what, nothing's come from the Spring Cleaning proposals yet. We don't know what proposals they're going to do and which ones they're going to look into more. I really don't think she understands that. She makes it sound like she has a mod, who I honestly should remain out of this because she could lose her position as it looks like she's endorsing this behavior, in her back pocket to use as her personal indentured bumping servant which isn't a fair use of that mod's time on the site.

I can understand being disappointed something is taking a long time to happen on Gaia but I wouldn't throw a hissy fit and threaten to spam the artists and boycott the site, the online equivalent of holding your breath until your face turns blue, until they give me what I want how I want it. I know it's essentially not the same but the people who wanted the bald option on the site didn't threaten to break the ToS and mass spam the inbox of the people on the art staff until they got bald heads. No they went through things in a mature business like fashion and kept their petition active and kept the subject of it in the forums sane and mature. Going about it this way just will not work.

[Alumina Kisarri]

Chibi Halo

I think this person feels like she failed her guild because there hasn't been anything to come from the Spring Cleaning proposals. Well guess what, nothing's come from the Spring Cleaning proposals yet. We don't know what proposals they're going to do and which ones they're going to look into more. I really don't think she understands that. She makes it sound like she has a mod, who I honestly should remain out of this because she could lose her position as it looks like she's endorsing this behavior, in her back pocket to use as her personal indentured bumping servant which isn't a fair use of that mod's time on the site.

I can understand being disappointed something is taking a long time to happen on Gaia but I wouldn't throw a hissy fit and threaten to spam the artists and boycott the site, the online equivalent of holding your breath until your face turns blue, until they give me what I want how I want it. I know it's essentially not the same but the people who wanted the bald option on the site didn't threaten to break the ToS and mass spam the inbox of the people on the art staff until they got bald heads. No they went through things in a mature business like fashion and kept their petition active and kept the subject of it in the forums sane and mature. Going about it this way just will not work.

I do, very much, know the feeling of failing a guild, all too well. However, I must agree that this is not the way to try and make up for it. I've told them, in the thread where she encourages the guild members to spam Lanzer's inbox, that this will do nothing and is more than likely breaking the ToS.
She mentioned Pirhan helping her out, which highly disappoints me. I've worked with Pirhan on a few different occasions, and have actually come to like that person as a mod. I'd prefer (can't remember the gender for the life me! T . T Sorry Pirhan!) that they do not do things to have their job revoked.

If it is one thing I have learned from my family, it is that throwing a fit whenever things do not go the way you wish them to is just pointless and cause for further bitching and whining - and ultimately the ignorance of those whose attention you are trying to catch and keep. I've waited out over six years of my life under the dominion of a tyrant. And even after that, I still face fragments of that dictatorship. Patience is, in itself, truly a virtue. It teaches one the importance of sincerity when addressing an issue, even when said issue has stayed for more than a few years. When attempting to let a business, such as Gaia, know what you and many other users want, then you need to handle it in a calm, sincere, and business-like manner. You can't go rampaging everytime another feature obtains an update - that only makes them ignore you, because then they realize that a ranting child is of no use of their time.

[Uncle Kenny]

Just to clarify, Housing is a built using Flash, Guilds is built using HTML/PHP/CSS/JSP/etc etc. The developer who has made all the updates to Housing, codemonkey37179, is a Flash developer. He is our go to person for everything Flash-related and that's what his job is. Housing, the Valentine's Flash space, and the in-progress Towns 2.0 project, are all the result of his hard work. He isn't working on other areas of the site because Flash spaces are his specialty and that's what he's kicking butt at. And on a further note, we always have multiple Developers working on multiple projects. The completion and launch of one project does not determine the disinterest in another.

That said, we do have a smaller team than in years past and as always, we have to prioritize the projects that will have the biggest impact for the most users on the site. We have not forgotten Guilds and we aren't just ignoring the requests for upgrades. There are improvements we'd like to make to Guilds but there are other projects on the list that are higher priority currently. As we move forward and complete projects, we will prioritize our list again and again so no project is at risk of being completely ignored.

[Lady Kayura]

Uncle Kenny

Just to clarify, Housing is a built using Flash, Guilds is built using HTML/PHP/CSS/JSP/etc etc. The developer who has made all the updates to Housing, codemonkey37179, is a Flash developer. He is our go to person for everything Flash-related and that's what his job is. Housing, the Valentine's Flash space, and the in-progress Towns 2.0 project, are all the result of his hard work. He isn't working on other areas of the site because Flash spaces are his specialty and that's what he's kicking butt at. And on a further note, we always have multiple Developers working on multiple projects. The completion and launch of one project does not determine the disinterest in another.

That said, we do have a smaller team than in years past and as always, we have to prioritize the projects that will have the biggest impact for the most users on the site. We have not forgotten Guilds and we aren't just ignoring the requests for upgrades. There are improvements we'd like to make to Guilds but there are other projects on the list that are higher priority currently. As we move forward and complete projects, we will prioritize our list again and again so no project is at risk of being completely ignored.

Thanks for the information. ^_^ Perhaps coming from a dev will have more of an impact on the OP, especially about the different teams of devs working on different projects.

[mamarita]

Uncle Kenny

Just to clarify, Housing is a built using Flash, Guilds is built using HTML/PHP/CSS/JSP/etc etc. The developer who has made all the updates to Housing, codemonkey37179, is a Flash developer. He is our go to person for everything Flash-related and that's what his job is. Housing, the Valentine's Flash space, and the in-progress Towns 2.0 project, are all the result of his hard work. He isn't working on other areas of the site because Flash spaces are his specialty and that's what he's kicking butt at. And on a further note, we always have multiple Developers working on multiple projects. The completion and launch of one project does not determine the disinterest in another.

That said, we do have a smaller team than in years past and as always, we have to prioritize the projects that will have the biggest impact for the most users on the site. We have not forgotten Guilds and we aren't just ignoring the requests for upgrades. There are improvements we'd like to make to Guilds but there are other projects on the list that are higher priority currently. As we move forward and complete projects, we will prioritize our list again and again so no project is at risk of being completely ignored.

I am sorry but we have heard this over and over and over. Just when will the Guilds ever become a priority. When will forums for the guilds ever get their updates?

Sorry Uncle Kenny, but it's the same excuses we always hear.

As for the others who have questions about the GGNMG- we aren't just a guild of captains- we are a guild of crews from all over Gaia and we actually have been more active and productive than the Gaia run and Gaia dismantled Captain's Guild was. That guild is no more because it never did anything,

And for the uninformed person who thinks the GGNMG people talk to just anyone- Panagrammic is one of the best developers on Gaia- HE IS THE ONE THAT MADE PROMISES THAT WERE BROKEN. HE'S THE ONE THAT MISLED US!

And the reason we got the Guild Announcements so easily- the programming was already in place on Gaia- it was A VERY SIMPLE FIX to reactivate it from the old Mass PM program we used to have. Wesden told us that before she was "let go". Seems all the developers that actually have tried to help the guilds have been "let go" or in Panagrammic's case, been given "a pat on the back" once he quieted us for a while with promises of things to come (that never happen). Notice how he isn't answering our questions as to why things weren't done?

Sorry you were delegated to deal with us, Uncle Kenny. And yes, I am frustrated and being more than a little facetious at this time. This is what the development team has done to me and many others after more than 5 years of lies and put-offs.

[Alumina Kisarri]

mamarita

And for the uninformed person who thinks the GGNMG people talk to just anyone- Panagrammic is one of the best developers on Gaia- HE IS THE ONE THAT MADE PROMISES THAT WERE BROKEN. HE'S THE ONE THAT MISLED US!

As it had come to my understanding long ago, Pan was not on the team that deals with Guilds. If I remember correctly, he was a flash dev who worked on things like the Aquariums.

Pan did NOT have the authority to help the guilds, and that is the difference right there.
Please, stop getting angry at him because you went to the wrong dev for help.

Uncle Kenny

Thank you, Uncle Kenny. I know how hard it is to jump into an angry crowd, and even more so when you cannot give out too much information when it is badly needed.
I am excited to know about the coming of Towns 2.0, and if I am allowed to ask, may I know, just through words, what your guys's progress on this new feature is?
I understand the shortage of staff, even though you still have enough people. It is still hard to get things done, especially with users jumping to conclusions like this. There are those of us who are still willing to wait on the guilds, because we understand that their priority is not extremely high at this time. You will get to them eventually, that I know for certain. ^ . ^

Thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule to post in this thread.

[mamarita]

Alumina Kisarri

mamarita

And for the uninformed person who thinks the GGNMG people talk to just anyone- Panagrammic is one of the best developers on Gaia- HE IS THE ONE THAT MADE PROMISES THAT WERE BROKEN. HE'S THE ONE THAT MISLED US!

As it had come to my understanding long ago, Pan was not on the team that deals with Guilds. If I remember correctly, he was a flash dev who worked on things like the Aquariums.

Pan did NOT have the authority to help the guilds, and that is the difference right there.
Please, stop getting angry at him because you went to the wrong dev for help.

Uncle Kenny

Thank you, Uncle Kenny. I know how hard it is to jump into an angry crowd, and even more so when you cannot give out too much information when it is badly needed.
I am excited to know about the coming of Towns 2.0, and if I am allowed to ask, may I know, just through words, what your guys's progress on this new feature is?
I understand the shortage of staff, even though you still have enough people. It is still hard to get things done, especially with users jumping to conclusions like this. There are those of us who are still willing to wait on the guilds, because we understand that their priority is not extremely high at this time. You will get to them eventually, that I know for certain. ^ . ^

Thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule to post in this thread.

EXCUSE ME... PAN CAME TO THE GGNMG- NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!

And Sorry but not all of us think the way you do....We are losing patience with the development team, EVERYTHING is a priority over Guilds. THAT IS THE PROBLEM!! Don't you understand that. The development team doesn't see guilds as a priority AT ALL!

[Alumina Kisarri]

mamarita

EXCUSE ME... PAN CAME TO THE GGNMG- NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!

You need to speak calmly. stare I take being shouted at as trolling.

[mamarita]

Alumina Kisarri

mamarita

EXCUSE ME... PAN CAME TO THE GGNMG- NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!

You need to speak calmly. stare I take being shouted at as trolling.

I am not trolling- I am speaking loudly so you understand.. We don't randomly go to developers... They were assigned to the GGNMG to work with us...geesh.. If you are at least a crew member on a guild, join the GGNMG and see just how hard we have been working

[Alumina Kisarri]

mamarita

Alumina Kisarri

mamarita

EXCUSE ME... PAN CAME TO THE GGNMG- NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!

You need to speak calmly. stare I take being shouted at as trolling.

I am not trolling- I am speaking loudly so you understand.. We don't randomly go to developers... They were assigned to the GGNMG to work with us...geesh.. If you are at least a crew member on a guild, join the GGNMG and see just how hard we have been working

It was never mentioned that they were assigned to you, had I known that, I would not have made my comment.
Speaking in all caps only makes me want to not listen to you, because it makes me think that you are just a child throwing a fit. No, I am not saying that you are, but you need to understand that CAPS gets you nowhere, overreacting to a flash-based update gets you nowhere. Now, had they done an update to the forums, but not the guilds, I would understand why you are so frustrated. But, this is Housing and Towns, which has only just recently started obtaining much-needed updates. It is flash-based and uses an entirely different type of code.
No one is going to care if you try to boycott Gaia itself, because it won't have any effect at all.

And, FYI, I am a captain of two guilds, and am and have a been a VC and Crew member of many other guilds. They die due to lack of interest and the captain not doing enough to keep the guild active. It isn't Gaia's fault there is more than one place to roleplay in, or create things in. I am in that guild, and I did post in your little harassment topic. >.>

The Guilds HAVE been receiving updates here and there, but the Devs can only work so fast and on only so much at a time. Would you rather they pushed out a huge update for guilds, which the end result of will be the destruction of the Guild's entire system, just because some users became impatient? They have to do this a little at a time, take baby steps, or it'll end up broken as hell - like Alchemy came out.

[Yen Quest]

*shakes head at thread* I believe I made my case in the previous thread similar to this, so I ain't going to bother saying anything beyond "Guild's not in a the priority list simply because it is not in dire need of an update."

Alumina Kisarri

If you're interested in any tidbit info on Town 2.0, I received a post from codemonkey in AtA this week pertaining to it. :3

[mamarita]

Alumina Kisarri

mamarita

Alumina Kisarri

mamarita

EXCUSE ME... PAN CAME TO THE GGNMG- NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!

You need to speak calmly. stare I take being shouted at as trolling.

I am not trolling- I am speaking loudly so you understand.. We don't randomly go to developers... They were assigned to the GGNMG to work with us...geesh.. If you are at least a crew member on a guild, join the GGNMG and see just how hard we have been working

It was never mentioned that they were assigned to you, had I known that, I would not have made my comment.
Speaking in all caps only makes me want to not listen to you, because it makes me think that you are just a child throwing a fit. No, I am not saying that you are, but you need to understand that CAPS gets you nowhere, overreacting to a flash-based update gets you nowhere. Now, had they done an update to the forums, but not the guilds, I would understand why you are so frustrated. But, this is Housing and Towns, which has only just recently started obtaining much-needed updates. It is flash-based and uses an entirely different type of code.
No one is going to care if you try to boycott Gaia itself, because it won't have any effect at all.

And, FYI, I am a captain of two guilds, and am and have a been a VC and Crew member of many other guilds. They die due to lack of interest and the captain not doing enough to keep the guild active. It isn't Gaia's fault there is more than one place to roleplay in, or create things in. I am in that guild, and I did post in your little harassment topic. >.>

The Guilds HAVE been receiving updates here and there, but the Devs can only work so fast and on only so much at a time. Would you rather they pushed out a huge update for guilds, which the end result of will be the destruction of the Guild's entire system, just because some users became impatient? They have to do this a little at a time, take baby steps, or it'll end up broken as hell - like Alchemy came out.

The big update we need is for the forums- specific requests were made- deleting them, cleaning them out, etc. If you are a member of the guild, you can read the entire proposal. If we get forum reforms, we will be very happy and can be quiet for a while. But we aren't getting that. The last update the guilds got was putting our ranks under our names- and that was no biggie- it was just done a couple of hours after we told Pan we wanted it because the rest of Gaia had it. It wasn't a big coding issue,

Oh and we aren't calling for a boycott of Gaia- it's a boycott of Gaia Cash! Why finance Gaia if they won't use our money to make our experience the best that we want?