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Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:32 am
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"Robits R real! =O" "jauggenaut" No not really. I don't wish to give out the goodies that this thread will eventually (hopefully) reap but here is an example. Let's say an nihilist supports his own argument of nihilism, and he also exerts additional effort to think logically,rationally, and learn more about what he believes. You see the hypocrisy in that no? (if you do reply yeah cause I don't want an irrelevant off track discussion going on). NICE Tu Quoque Fallacy.
Just because a person doesn't act in accordance with their beliefs, it doesn't mean their views are wrong. That is a fact. It's just another ad hominem,
Anyways, I am not about to put forward the case for nihilism, as I myself am an existentialist.
"Kurezi" I have a question. Why do Nihilists even want to live if nothing has purpose or meaning for them? Because death is just as meaningless. Duh. Just because a persons life is meaningless, doesn't mean they should stop having it. Either choice is equally nothing, so they choose to not stop being alive.
"Lord Excelsior XIII" Life itself is only a vision, a dream
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"God and pain shouldn't coexist, selfish god that would be"
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-Satan
Nice combo of Rationalism, the Existence of Evil Paradox, and Nihilism.
The world is self-consistent, and not psychically manipulatable, therefore I accept that this is not in my imagination.
Also, AWESOME rhetoric; did you write it?
You don't understand ((obviously)). Actually THINK before you say things sometimes...what would it mean if INSTINCT refutes nihilism? You catching on now..?
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:40 am
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"Protagonistic Activist" "jauggenaut" "Protagonistic Activist" Apparently you seem to mix choice with instinct. Do you understand Nihilism?
"A Perfect Simple Summation"
Nihilism (from the Latin nihil, nothing) is a philosophical position which argues that existence is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.
If you know what that means you're only contradicting yourself. Nihilists are not insane self-destructive persons; many people can be nihilists without trying because all it requires is that you don't recognize any inherent value, purpose, or meaning to anything.
Essentialy X | X thinking. I am here therefore I am here; I am here because I am here; my being here simply means I am here.
Why can you not grasp into the core and think beyond it? Your simply stuck at it's meaning. All your doing is re iterating the same thing consistently,redundantly. The very point of nihilism REJECTS instinct -.-. Every possible ability physiological or otherwise.
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Not a pseudo... Okay, please explain very clearly how Nihilism rejects instinct.
sadly I won't xp confused Mainly because THAT'S where I wanted other people to lead this discussion. But hey I'll tell yah what if this discussion doesn't lead to anything at all I'll message you and elaborate further. About maybe...(2 days) till I give up on this post.
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:33 am
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"Protagonistic Activist" Apparently you seem to mix choice with instinct. Do you understand Nihilism?
"A Perfect Simple Summation"
Nihilism (from the Latin nihil, nothing) is a philosophical position which argues that existence is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.
If you know what that means you're only contradicting yourself. Nihilists are not insane self-destructive persons; many people can be nihilists without trying because all it requires is that you don't recognize any inherent value, purpose, or meaning to anything.
Essentialy X | X thinking. I am here therefore I am here; I am here because I am here; my being here simply means I am here.
Why can you not grasp into the core and think beyond it? Your simply stuck at it's meaning. All your doing is re iterating the same thing consistently,redundantly. The very point of nihilism REJECTS instinct -.-. Every possible ability physiological or otherwise.
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:26 am
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"Protagonistic Activist" "jauggenaut" "Protagonistic Activist" "jauggenaut" No not really. I don't wish to give out the goodies that this thread will eventually (hopefully) reap but here is an example. Let's say an nihilist supports his own argument of nihilism, and he also exerts additional effort to think logically,rationally, and learn more about what he believes. You see the hypocrisy in that no? (if you do reply yeah cause I don't want an irrelevant off track discussion going on).
Well, it is kind of hypocritical, but only on the grounds that it doesn't matter to begin with; that doesn't nullify however the idea of cause and effect. Nihilism is "Nothing Matters" thinking, so if you do A or B it doesn't really matter therefore doing A or B has the same consequence. You might as well do A if it's more enjoyable than B; motive however is nullified and not taken into account.
The main word here is "motive". Can you truly totally disregard the motive eh? The case in which I'm talking about and is most commonly used is where there is a consistent occurrence of "A". Therefore eventually you have to (rationally) presume he is picking the the very action for the motive. Plus no offense but your very structure is flawed. Your saying "you mine as well pick A" that in itself is picking via motive...or an particular way for a purpose...nihilism is the purpose of no purpose. Plus we're getting in more detail .>.<...
You misunderstand. If you choose something out of motive with purpose you are contradicting yourself, but motive can be disregarded because of the fact that the choice is without inherent purpose. The easiest example is picking soap; the notion "I need soap" and the motive "to clean myself" are not invalid nor are they in any way an obstruction to nihilistic thinking; you're taking it a step further and saying that the choice between brand A and brand B must have an inherent purpose or strong reason. If I choose A simply because it's closer there's no real purpose behind choosing A. If I choose B because it's box is green then there is a purpose, I like the color of the box, and so I chose it. If I randomly picked between A and B there is no inherent purpose.
So random events, events in their most basic principled forms, and events of convienence are usually not considered breaking nihilism. For instance, you must eat, the idea of the difference between Oatmeal A and Oatmeal B should be null in nihilism, but the idea of you needing to eat Oatmeal, assuming it's what was easiest to attain, is mandatory.
No no I understood. Now you misunderstand.First off let's start with " usually not considered breaking nihilism". Obvious emphasis on usually. I even went to further means to convey this meaning by emphasizing a consistent re occurrence of "A" therefore you rationally come upon what conclusion? Plus the very point of nihilism IS the uselessness of food. The irrelevancy of life. There is nothing. Life eventually when you have to (hypocritically) think about your own belief system what ends. The very core of your structure such AS eating "A" and "B" become what...? I'm a little lazy and will elaborate further in next post if need be.
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:07 am
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"Protagonistic Activist" "jauggenaut" No not really. I don't wish to give out the goodies that this thread will eventually (hopefully) reap but here is an example. Let's say an nihilist supports his own argument of nihilism, and he also exerts additional effort to think logically,rationally, and learn more about what he believes. You see the hypocrisy in that no? (if you do reply yeah cause I don't want an irrelevant off track discussion going on).
Well, it is kind of hypocritical, but only on the grounds that it doesn't matter to begin with; that doesn't nullify however the idea of cause and effect. Nihilism is "Nothing Matters" thinking, so if you do A or B it doesn't really matter therefore doing A or B has the same consequence. You might as well do A if it's more enjoyable than B; motive however is nullified and not taken into account.
The main word here is "motive". Can you truly totally disregard the motive eh? The case in which I'm talking about and is most commonly used is where there is a consistent occurrence of "A". Therefore eventually you have to (rationally) presume he is picking the the very action for the motive. Plus no offense but your very structure is flawed. Your saying "you mine as well pick A" that in itself is picking via motive...or an particular way for a purpose...nihilism is the purpose of no purpose. Plus we're getting in more detail .>.<...
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:57 am
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No not really. I don't wish to give out the goodies that this thread will eventually (hopefully) reap but here is an example. Let's say an nihilist supports his own argument of nihilism, and he also exerts additional effort to think logically,rationally, and learn more about what he believes. You see the hypocrisy in that no? (if you do reply yeah cause I don't want an irrelevant off track discussion going on).
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Buddhism. It feels like a weight has been lifted.
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:50 am
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"CAN OF RAPE" "jauggenaut" "CAN OF RAPE" About two years ago I announced to my family that I was an Atheist. Of course, they were angry with me....well mainly my mother. My mom told me she would take me to church EVERY SUNDAY from now on....and yes she kept that promise. She told me that I would believe in Christianity again eventually. And yet it still never has happened. Before this day I regret ever telling them because ever since then I've never at peace with myself....wait...scratch that....ever since I remember....I've never felt at peace with myself when I believed in christianity....I guess I felt even more less at peace with myself once I announced that was an Atheist. I guess most of that was from my family and people at my church humiliating me because of my choice of belief (some Christians they are...) Which made me feel a deep hatred for them that I never thought I had within me. Then I would say from this day about two weeks ago I found a religion that I could actually believe in...that I could actually be in peace with myself...body, mind and soul. Buddhism. Thinking back to when I told my family that I was an Atheist was a lie. I believe that I was only confused on the right road of religion I should take. The right religion for me and I finally found it. You guys can never imagine how good I feel now. I never in my life felt like this. Never.
ifdc...doesn't matter..irrelevant to extended discussion..not contributing an ACTUAL discussion so much as trying to allow other to provoke one..you fail. Besides you were confused and now 2 weeks later your not? How can we trust you when you so erratically change views..your very opinion is .testy...so stfu while I delete this thread via reporting. I'm not asking you to trust me. :/ You don't have to come in here acting like a jerk. Report me if you like, just know you have another one coming back at you, hon.
Act like a jerk? Sorry imbecile but unlike you i don't consider speculating the validity of you thread as "jerkness". Your not asking us to trust you? Therefore if we don't trust you you don't care? Threfore whatever your say if dismissed as invalid you don't care? Therefore the very fiber of w/e you say does not matter for their is no ability to trust (ie acknowledge) it anymore than a rock? Case and point.
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:46 am
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:27 am
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"CAN OF RAPE" About two years ago I announced to my family that I was an Atheist. Of course, they were angry with me....well mainly my mother. My mom told me she would take me to church EVERY SUNDAY from now on....and yes she kept that promise. She told me that I would believe in Christianity again eventually. And yet it still never has happened. Before this day I regret ever telling them because ever since then I've never at peace with myself....wait...scratch that....ever since I remember....I've never felt at peace with myself when I believed in christianity....I guess I felt even more less at peace with myself once I announced that was an Atheist. I guess most of that was from my family and people at my church humiliating me because of my choice of belief (some Christians they are...) Which made me feel a deep hatred for them that I never thought I had within me. Then I would say from this day about two weeks ago I found a religion that I could actually believe in...that I could actually be in peace with myself...body, mind and soul. Buddhism. Thinking back to when I told my family that I was an Atheist was a lie. I believe that I was only confused on the right road of religion I should take. The right religion for me and I finally found it. You guys can never imagine how good I feel now. I never in my life felt like this. Never.
ifdc...doesn't matter..irrelevant to extended discussion..not contributing an ACTUAL discussion so much as trying to allow other to provoke one..you fail. Besides you were confused and now 2 weeks later your not? How can we trust you when you so erratically change views..your very opinion is .testy...so stfu while I delete this thread via reporting.
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