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Anyone know any good Romance Shoujo or Anime? Go to post 27 Chatterbox Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:52 pm
My personal favorites are Kare Kano by Masami Tsuda, and Mars by Fuyumi Soryo. Both are romance mangas with a bit of drama thrown in them.
The new 2008 election for president. (my opinion!) Go to post 56 Extended Discussion Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:41 am
SapphWolf

Aren't conspiracy theories fun?


I was just thinking today how hilarious it would be if Bill became Hillary's vice president. This after hearing about the exit poll in NH where, 54% of Clinton voters would pick Bill over Hillary for president. Geez. I guess in that instance you would at least know what you were getting.

I wish Obama had better ideas, as he's an excellent orator and would at least sound lovely. But I like Edward's crusade for the poor - too bad he's taking money from trial lawyers and having illegitimate love children. And Hillary is honestly too conservative for my tastes. There's just no way to win, is there? Everyone's a bad apple.

Except Kucinich. But unfortunately after LOGO's special on LGBT issues and he drew that heart in the air with his fingers, I just couldn't vote for him. He's right on everything, but is too darn fruity to carry it off with any sort of grace. neutral
| The Official Vegan & Vegetarian thread | Go to post 9974 Food & Drink Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:16 am
deathpixie
How do you guys like your scrambled tofu? I just tried the recipe from Vegan with a Vengeance (minus the mushrooms, plus broccoli, minus nutritional yeast because I didn't have any) and it was ok, but did not make me feel really passionately towards it, if you know what I mean. Do the nutritional yeast and mushrooms really make that much of a difference, or is it just not my style?
Well, I'm not ready to give it up just yet so if anyone has any versions of their own, please suggest!


I don't use nutritional yeast or mushrooms at all, so I would say it doesn't. I don't own that cookbook, but my tofu scrambler has bell peppers and onions in it, along with tumeric for color, and then I wrap everything in a flour tortilla. My guess is that you can add anything you like, and it would be okay. Just think back to the days when you might've had omelettes, and then experiment a little. biggrin
PETA - More harm than good, or more good than harm? Go to post 259 Extended Discussion Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:47 am
sarsbug


PETA doesnt support pets? Where the hell do they think cats and dogs are going to go? All on the streets? I love my pets and go to great lengths to makes sure their as happy and comfortable as they can be.. proper food, toys, bedding, attention. I dont ever want kids, just animals. Yeah, some people are ******** and dont know how to treat animals but thats what the little woof woof rescue squad people are for. Hopefully people like me outnumber them; if not, ill have to look into the purchase of a machete.

A stray cat randomly showed up at my aunts house on Halloween. They let him inside and now he's a happy, clean, medically protected, cheese-stealing little house cat.

I dont believe in spaying/ nuetering. Theres an overpopulation of humans in the world, fact. Are you going to "spay" your children? Get that viceptamy (spelling?) for yourself? Tubes tied this Christmas? Hell, I dont think its right to circumsize a kid. Mutilation of the reproductive organs should only be granted on comand.


I believe PETA's perspective is the whole issue of ownership. They don't believe that animals should be owned by people, and they hate that, as a result, domestic animals are dependent on others for their care. Again, I have this whole issue with them - that they are deciding what's best for each pet; which I see as being just as bad as those who decide that animal testing is okay, are factory farmers, etc. They are still deciding all of these animal's fates; which I think makes them hypocritical. That somewhat also goes for spay/neutering as well; although I agree with them on that regard. (I understand your perspective; however, spaying helps decrease so many reproductive diseases in many breeds where they are so commonly fatal, that it makes me wonder this perspective: If a parent will do what's best for their child, shouldn't an animal guardian do what's best for their companion?)
PETA - More harm than good, or more good than harm? Go to post 259 Extended Discussion Tue Dec 25, 2007 6:46 am
RayNocturne

But you said nothing about animal rights, you simply stated that you do not eat them which means little, it means you're stating that zomg vegans don't eat insects. And who praytell was exactly asking about insects? The post was stating that insects are animals. and went on to state the author's view on the whole thing. Assuming i'm thinking of the same post you are.
And veganism isn't direct to animal rights, I know lots of vegans who are so because they can't eat meat due to health issues or because they just don't like how meat tastes (one person was turned away from meat thanks to some peta propaganda that flashes into her mind if she sees meat and makes her sick : ()


... Have you read the last 10 pages? I've been responding throughout.

As this is getting off-topic, I've already answered all of these questions in my posts. Eating insects usually requires killing insects - which if PETA were true vegans, they would be against, as well. A lot of vegans who are animal activists - not necessarily just for health reasons - see it as "direct action" to prevent a good deal of animal suffering. PETA claims to be vegan - and at least vegetarian - and yet they are (obviously) doing so many things that are not. So I was responding from a vegan perspective, because PETA claims to be that.

Is that making sense?
PETA - More harm than good, or more good than harm? Go to post 259 Extended Discussion Tue Dec 25, 2007 6:36 am
RayNocturne

Sorry, I just got rather irritated that she started going off about vegan diets and such to a post that wasn't in the least bit about eating anything. I will keep my language down. Sorry. sweatdrop


I was responding to someone asking about insects, and your question about micro-organisms. Throughout the thread, I was speaking from an animal rights perspective, which is what PETA claims to be. I was responding to honest questions, instead of leaving them in the air. Veganism is direct action to animal rights, and a lot of PETA claims to be vegan (although some of them are not). That's why I mentioned veganism, and my eating habits. And this thread has been going all over the place with the topic of animal rights - to the point where I would say even these questions were partially off-topic.

To be clear, I don't support PETA at all. I responded to that regard a few pages back.
PETA - More harm than good, or more good than harm? Go to post 259 Extended Discussion Tue Dec 25, 2007 6:21 am
RayNocturne

...STOP MAKING THIS ABOUT VEGANS AND s**t. GOT IT?
On topic though, the guy was asking about killing them, not eating. Where do you see eating in his post? Do you kill insects? Do you step on the icky ones or do you gently shoo them outside?


She asked about killing insects. Generally speaking you kill insects to eat them, yes? I was speaking from an animal rights/vegan perspective, as we try not to kill insects, even the ugly ones. I can't speak about cockroaches and such, though, but I live in Minnesota and keep my place rather clean.

As this thread isn't about animal rights, but about PETA, I'll summarize this: No one can live 100% cruel-free. We kill thousands of microscopic insects every minute, regardless of whether we intend to. I would say animal rights isn't about being perfect, it's about doing the best someone can, and not doing so intentionally. I would say most people on earth try not to hurt other people, but we do so unintentionally. Just because someone isn't 100% cruel-free with that, does that mean they're anti-human? No. Everyone is doing the best that they can, and I think that's the most someone can ask. This isn't about all or nothing: anything is better than nothing at all.
PETA - More harm than good, or more good than harm? Go to post 259 Extended Discussion Tue Dec 25, 2007 6:15 am
RayNocturne

What about the little tiny once celled things? When an animal rights activist screams, they often say an animal is a living thing and we shouldn't hurt living things. Shouldn't they stop harming the one celled organisms, or plants because they ARE living things, they just didn't evolve as animals had.


I'm sorry, are you serious? This is like activists who are against abortion at conception, even when it is just a mass of cells.

Generally speaking, I am against consuming things with a central nervous system. That does not include amoebas and mitochondria, as far as I know.
PETA - More harm than good, or more good than harm? Go to post 259 Extended Discussion Tue Dec 25, 2007 6:12 am
[gossamer]!smile.
    If someone pulls out that

    "WELL HUMANS ARE AMINULZ 2 LOL"

    bullshit, I'll scream. Guess what? Insects [cockroaches, fleas, ticks, et cetera] are animals as well. Are you as against killing a dog as you are killing a cockroach? Why not? They're both animals.


Actually, vegans don't consume insects, either. I don't consume honey, beeswax, or carmine.
PETA - More harm than good, or more good than harm? Go to post 259 Extended Discussion Tue Dec 25, 2007 3:57 am
Captain McGreen
I'm a little disappointed because in the very original post, I explained that I don't want this to become an issue of whether it's right or wrong to be a vegetarian/vegan. That's not what this thread is about and I'd like it if we could get back on target. Thanks. smile


I think it's partially hard to talk about PETA, and not about animal rights. A lot of people dislike PETA because they are speciesist, and so the topic comes up. I find that in conversations about PETA, it normally comes back to how people believe their position is wrong, and that's why they deem them radical. I hardly find talk about them specifically as an organization.

However, to anyone who disagreed with me in this thread - PM me if you want to continue it. But I'll stop here. (Good thing I was out holiday shopping, anyway...) : ninja
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