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Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:50 am
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Ren The Ryoko o Hitsugaya o So Snape's memories don't redeem him at all? We aren't supposed to know anything about what Snape did until the end, that's why James sounds more like a noble person than Snape.
I don't think Snape is boring at all. Out of every character in the book, Snape is the most complex.
And yes, every Death Eater is his/her own person and human, but who actually tried to do something for the greater good? Regulus, who took the one Horcrux away to have it destroyed, and Snape, who went to become a double agent.
Snape and James were both jerks as teens. I'm not saying James was the only one.
There is also nothing wrong with changing BECAUSE of someone. People in love change because of who they're with. My boyfriend has changed BECAUSE of me. Is that bad? I don't think so. Does he regret that he's changed some because of me? No. How do we know James didn't change because of Lily? Maybe her kindness influenced him. Snape changing because of Lily proves how much he really loved her. If he didn't, he wouldn't have bothered.
I really just felt no connection with Snape. I had a stronger connection to Regulus, and we know next to nothing about him. Probably it's just that Snape was just SO bitter and SO stuck in the past and so...so...immature about it all. Like he couldn't let it go. Why did he have to hate Harry because of James? Why couldn't he have CARED about Harry because of Lily? If he really loved Lily as much as I know he did, why did he treat her only son like s**t and make his life so miserable for so long?
There's nothing wrong with changing because of someone. It's just that...Snape didn't change until it was too late. He didn't change until Lily had died. He didn't change when it could have helped her.
The fact Snape didn't help until it was too late makes him, and him alone, suffer the pain. James is dead, he won't have to deal with it, but Snape has to deal with the loss and regret himself. That's a lot of emotions to carry for all those years.
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Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:40 am
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He didn't really treat her like crap, she just hated his group of friends and the stuff he did with them. She was always there for him and to support him until he called her a Mudblood.
I don't really think he detested Hermione. The only person he did was Harry. If he had detested Hermione that much he would've treated her as bad as Harry.
He was obviously toying with dark magic and hanging out with racists punks who treated HER badly. Snape made a choice. He choose Death Eaters over Lily. She tried to be there for him, but it was obvious that HE wasn't there for HER.
It's pathetic how much he hated Harry. Harry's only sin was that his Father didn't get along with Snape. His father and Snape were nemesis in school and then James when and got Lily. The fact that Snape can hate a child so much for something so stupid, instead of honestly trying to protect the only son of the woman he loved is proof that he had the mental maturity of a 13yr old.
Do you honestly not expect him to be bitter over the fact that James got Lily and or the fact that James treated him like a pile of dog s**t back in the day? Looking at Harry and seeing how he acts similar to his father, it only makes sense for him to be a tad bit better towards him. Hell, I would be considering Harry was quite the d**k himself at times during the series. Not to mention Snape couldn't exactly be nice to Harry or it'd totally blow his cover.
Yes. I do expect that from Snape. Why?
Because Snape is an ADULT. He doesn't have to like James Potter. But he also doesn't need to tbe the world's biggest d**k to Harry because of it. Snape lost Lily all on his own, not because of James. Its his own fault. If nothing else, Snape should be able to see that Harry is Lily's son, and at least treat him just as shitty as all the other students.
The man is psychologically screwed up as it is. Yes, he might have lost the love of his life on his own, he has regrets, hes projecting on to Harry, but you can't expect him to treat Harry as equally as the other students, considering the fact that every time he looks at Harry he's constantly reminded of his past.
I DO expect that. Ya know why? Snape is an ADULT, and Harry is LILY'S son too. He has her eyes. OVer and over again, he has her eyes. Why can't Snape see PAST Harry's hair?
Even though how Snape treated Harry isn't always right, it's not like he threw curses at Harry like he probably did to James.
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Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:37 am
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So Snape's memories don't redeem him at all? We aren't supposed to know anything about what Snape did until the end, that's why James sounds more like a noble person than Snape.
I don't think Snape is boring at all. Out of every character in the book, Snape is the most complex.
And yes, every Death Eater is his/her own person and human, but who actually tried to do something for the greater good? Regulus, who took the one Horcrux away to have it destroyed, and Snape, who went to become a double agent.
Snape and James were both jerks as teens. I'm not saying James was the only one.
There is also nothing wrong with changing BECAUSE of someone. People in love change because of who they're with. My boyfriend has changed BECAUSE of me. Is that bad? I don't think so. Does he regret that he's changed some because of me? No. How do we know James didn't change because of Lily? Maybe her kindness influenced him. Snape changing because of Lily proves how much he really loved her. If he didn't, he wouldn't have bothered.
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Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:19 am
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Snape tried to save Lily's life. Snape saved Harry's many times. Snape took care of Remus by providing him a potion for each month. Snape worked as a double agent and risked his life constantly by doing so.
Anyways, Snape was an a** to Harry because of how James treated him in school. It doesn't help Harry pretty much looked just like James, either.
Snape emotionally abused a small boy for years and years of his life because the kids Daddy was mean to him. That is a d**k move.
Snape tried to save Lily when it was too damn late and it was his own damn fault. He drove her away and sold his morals and the love of his life for petty acceptance.
While he DId give Remus the wolfs bane potion at Dumbledores wishes, Snape also did everything he could to tip off the students that Remus was a werewolf and therefor ruin his career.
Snape DID try to talk to Lily after his slip up but she wouldn't hear it. You can't say he didn't try to fix what he messed up.
Snape did try to tip off that Remus was a werewolf, but look how many people actually caught on. One. Snape also did a lot of other wishes of Dumbledore's and had Dumbledore's complete trust. How does that make him worse than James? Snape did try to make up for his mistakes.
How does it make him BETTER than James?
James was never a Death Eater. James never screamed racial slurs at the girl he loved. James never emotionally abused children. James was a d**k 15 year old boy who grew into a kind, generous and trusting man.
Snape was a dark, creepy kid who liked the dark arts to much, got so absored in his own bid for popularity and power than he threw away the only meaningful friendship he ever had, ended up getting the girl he loved killed and then spent the rest of his life being an a*****e to her son and slinking around playing the double agent in the dark just to die on the floor, betrayed by the man who killed her, staring into her son's eyes. It was a sad pitiful life and a sad pitiful death.
It's not that I hate Snape. But if we're bidding on who was a better more Noble person, James takes the cake on this one.
James treated Snape like dirt while they were in Hogwarts. Anyone that is bullied will know that it leaves a lot of emotional scars and bitterness. James and Sirius would tag team on Snape to humiliate him and get some shits and giggles. Sure, maybe they didn't join Death Eaters and go around killing people and Snape did, but it doesn't mean that they were god sent and angels. It's bad enough Snape was bullied by James as a teen, it doesn't make him feel amazing to have to look at the replica of your bully and relive experiences you don't want to relive.
Snape was a Death Eater. He got lots of people killed, but none of it mattered until it was LILY. Snape never had a second thought about what he was doing until he realized that it would kill the girl he loved. That's pretty bad, don't you think?
But see, everything we actually SEE about the dynamics of the James VS Snape relationship is from SNAPE'S point of view. According to both Remus and Sirius, Snape wasn't exactly an innocent in the rivalry. He fought back when he could, just like Harry fought back agaisnt Malfoy when he could.
Being a bully when your 15 isn't the same as being a Death Eater when you grow up.
And you dont see Harry walking over and punching Scorpius Malfoy in the face, do you?
Of course Snape wasn't innocent, we saw the spells Snape invented in his potions book. I'm not claiming Snape was an angel either and obviously Snape is going to fight back if he's being picked on.
James was a bully to Snape pretty much throughout all of their years in Hogwarts. People CHANGE. James changed to become kinder, and Snape went down his own path, but Snape himself changed as well.
The difference between Harry and Draco is after the war, their relationship became neutral. James and Snape never did have a neutral relationship when Hogwarts ended.
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Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:07 am
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James was no angel himself.
Ron/Hermione heart I think they work really well together.
James was a p***k at age 15.
But he did save Snape's life. And he took Sirius in when he ran away from home. And he supported Remus after school when he couldn't get a job. And he trusted Peter to the death. And he gave his life trying to buy just a few more seconds for the woman he loved and his child.
Yes, James was no angel, but he is no where NEAR the level of a** hole that Snape managed.
Anyways, Snape was an a** to Harry because of how James treated him in school. It doesn't help Harry pretty much looked just like James, either.
Snape emotionally abused a small boy for years and years of his life because the kids Daddy was mean to him. That is a d**k move.
Snape tried to save Lily when it was too damn late and it was his own damn fault. He drove her away and sold his morals and the love of his life for petty acceptance.
While he DId give Remus the wolfs bane potion at Dumbledores wishes, Snape also did everything he could to tip off the students that Remus was a werewolf and therefor ruin his career.
Snape DID try to talk to Lily after his slip up but she wouldn't hear it. You can't say he didn't try to fix what he messed up.
Snape did try to tip off that Remus was a werewolf, but look how many people actually caught on. One. Snape also did a lot of other wishes of Dumbledore's and had Dumbledore's complete trust. How does that make him worse than James? Snape did try to make up for his mistakes.
How does it make him BETTER than James?
James was never a Death Eater. James never screamed racial slurs at the girl he loved. James never emotionally abused children. James was a d**k 15 year old boy who grew into a kind, generous and trusting man.
Snape was a dark, creepy kid who liked the dark arts to much, got so absored in his own bid for popularity and power than he threw away the only meaningful friendship he ever had, ended up getting the girl he loved killed and then spent the rest of his life being an a*****e to her son and slinking around playing the double agent in the dark just to die on the floor, betrayed by the man who killed her, staring into her son's eyes. It was a sad pitiful life and a sad pitiful death.
It's not that I hate Snape. But if we're bidding on who was a better more Noble person, James takes the cake on this one.
James treated Snape like dirt while they were in Hogwarts. Anyone that is bullied will know that it leaves a lot of emotional scars and bitterness. James and Sirius would tag team on Snape to humiliate him and get some shits and giggles. Sure, maybe they didn't join Death Eaters and go around killing people and Snape did, but it doesn't mean that they were god sent and angels. It's bad enough Snape was bullied by James as a teen, it doesn't make him feel amazing to have to look at the replica of your bully and relive experiences you don't want to relive.
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Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:57 am
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I cried a loooooooot. crying crying crying
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Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:53 am
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Ren The Ryoko o Hitsugaya o If Snape was racist, I don't think he would've prided in himself enough to declare himself the Half-Blood Prince. He regretted calling Lily a Mudblood and it slipped out while he was angry (look at the people he had been hanging around). If he was really a racist, he would've NOT associated with Lily at all.
He really did seem to detest Hermione for most of the books. Just sayin.
Look, obviously Snape did more than just slip up once to push Lily away. He had been treating her like crap for a long time. Screaming racial slurs at her was the last straw. Whether or not he really believed it, he was ok enough with the idea to join the Death Eaters.
I don't really think he detested Hermione. The only person he did was Harry. If he had detested Hermione that much he would've treated her as bad as Harry.
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Ren The Ryoko o Hitsugaya o Ren The Ryoko o Hitsugaya o Ren The Ryoko Phae von Rothenburg rolleyes you can't report someone for making up a couple. Or you can, but nothing is going to happen to the person.
That being said, Snape and Lily. heart so cute. Ugh. I hate James -_-
What? How does THAT work? Why hate James? Why LIKE Snape and Lily? Snape was a total a** hole, and a racist popularity whore at that.
Ron/Hermione heart I think they work really well together.
James was a p***k at age 15.
But he did save Snape's life. And he took Sirius in when he ran away from home. And he supported Remus after school when he couldn't get a job. And he trusted Peter to the death. And he gave his life trying to buy just a few more seconds for the woman he loved and his child.
Yes, James was no angel, but he is no where NEAR the level of a** hole that Snape managed.
Anyways, Snape was an a** to Harry because of how James treated him in school. It doesn't help Harry pretty much looked just like James, either.
Snape emotionally abused a small boy for years and years of his life because the kids Daddy was mean to him. That is a d**k move.
Snape tried to save Lily when it was too damn late and it was his own damn fault. He drove her away and sold his morals and the love of his life for petty acceptance.
While he DId give Remus the wolfs bane potion at Dumbledores wishes, Snape also did everything he could to tip off the students that Remus was a werewolf and therefor ruin his career.
Snape DID try to talk to Lily after his slip up but she wouldn't hear it. You can't say he didn't try to fix what he messed up.
Snape did try to tip off that Remus was a werewolf, but look how many people actually caught on. One. Snape also did a lot of other wishes of Dumbledore's and had Dumbledore's complete trust. How does that make him worse than James? Snape did try to make up for his mistakes.
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Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:46 am
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If Snape was racist, I don't think he would've prided in himself enough to declare himself the Half-Blood Prince. He regretted calling Lily a Mudblood and it slipped out while he was angry (look at the people he had been hanging around). If he was really a racist, he would've NOT associated with Lily at all.
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Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:42 am
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Ren The Ryoko o Hitsugaya o Ren The Ryoko Phae von Rothenburg rolleyes you can't report someone for making up a couple. Or you can, but nothing is going to happen to the person.
That being said, Snape and Lily. heart so cute. Ugh. I hate James -_-
What? How does THAT work? Why hate James? Why LIKE Snape and Lily? Snape was a total a** hole, and a racist popularity whore at that.
Ron/Hermione heart I think they work really well together.
James was a p***k at age 15.
But he did save Snape's life. And he took Sirius in when he ran away from home. And he supported Remus after school when he couldn't get a job. And he trusted Peter to the death. And he gave his life trying to buy just a few more seconds for the woman he loved and his child.
Yes, James was no angel, but he is no where NEAR the level of a** hole that Snape managed.
Anyways, Snape was an a** to Harry because of how James treated him in school. It doesn't help Harry pretty much looked just like James, either.
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