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Gaia = Hypocritical bigots. You don't make sense.
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Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:36 pm
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Ghost of War
Its the same argument because you keep backpedaling and missing what I'm trying to say.
I'm underlining the fact that they are hypocrites, unprofessional, and disrespectful.
Sure they have the right to like alcohol, sex, and violence, but not like cigs, but when you run a website with people of thousands of other opinions, it is wrong to force your particular opinion on them and make them abide by it, when you can have loopholes like Gambino.
Also, don't bash my skills because yours aren't exactly perfect. ;}
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It's the same argument because you keep making the same argument, geez.
And now that you finally agreed that they have the right to like alcohol etc and not like cigs, which was my point that you was arguing against, we can finally move onto what you said is your point.
Yeah, they run a website that gives people a space to voice their opinion, but the avatars and the art are owned and created by them. They're giving you the privilege of using them. But as a business, they're allowed to do what they want to their product (items and art).
But them taking cigs out the Gold shop =/= forcing their opinion on you. That's only true if they ban cigs on here COMPLETELY. If they're still allowing you other ways to express your opinion on alcohol on their website, then they are not forcing users to accept their views/opinions.
What is wrong is that they did this halfass and what looks like at the last minute. And I agreed that they were unprofessional. It seems to me that they chose to take the items out because it was easier to do.
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Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:14 pm
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`deja vu Jayce Reinhardt `deja vu [ But, they never said they were taking it away because they influence users to smoke.
Or to lessen the influence of cigs on minors.
Nor because they're responsible for children's choices.
All they said was they don't like cigs IRL and dont' think they're sexy on avatars (refering to the cig description) on Gaia.
I'd like them to give a more detailed reason for their decision before I believe they intended more than what they said before.
Then I question again if Gaia knows the difference between reality and fantasy. In the announcement it stated "We're Gettin' Healthy: No More Tobacco Items in Shops!"
How does taking what is essentially a picture of a cigarette improve my health any in real life? and how does it improve the health of my avatar who was never alive to begin with?
Yet the post mentions nothing about doing it to get healthy IRL or on Gaia, but because they don't think avatars look sexy and because they think it's gross on IRL.
This is why I want more info from them. They're not being clear enough on why they did this nor on whether they'll do something like this again in the future. They screwed up with the announcment, i'd like to see some damage control.
[ ♥♥♥] Hopefully, this shitstorm knock some sense into them. >.<
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Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:06 pm
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Jayce Reinhardt `deja vu [ ♥♥♥] But, they never said they were taking it away because they influence users to smoke.
Or to lessen the influence of cigs on minors.
Nor because they're responsible for children's choices.
All they said was they don't like cigs IRL and dont' think they're sexy on avatars (refering to the cig description) on Gaia.
I'd like them to give a more detailed reason for their decision before I believe they intended more than what they said before.
Then I question again if Gaia knows the difference between reality and fantasy. In the announcement it stated "We're Gettin' Healthy: No More Tobacco Items in Shops!"
How does taking what is essentially a picture of a cigarette improve my health any in real life? and how does it improve the health of my avatar who was never alive to begin with? [ ♥♥♥]
Yet the post mentions nothing about doing it to get healthy IRL or on Gaia, but because they don't think avatars look sexy and because they think it's gross on IRL.
This is why I want more info from them. They're not being clear enough on why they did this nor on whether they'll do something like this again in the future. They screwed up with the announcment, i'd like to see some damage control.
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Gaia = Hypocritical bigots. You don't make sense.
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Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:01 pm
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Ghost of War `deja vu Ghost of War
So you're basically trying to justify them for the promoting of teen sex (causing the spread of stds, and teen pregnancy), teen pill consumption, and alcoholism? Where is your logic?
Besides, who are they to decide for us?
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Where is your logic?
How can people make an argument saying pixel cigs don't influence kids to smoke then turn around and say other pixel items that are "just as bad" do influence other items to smoke?
And, yet, Gaia's the one being hypocritical.
And who are they? The owners and creators of cig items.
Again, you miss my point entirely. Congratulations.
I'm saying that this is how gaia is acting. They are saying cigs are bad for us, yet they have their main NPC GAMBINO smoke a cigar, and then go around making suggestive art and items, including pills and alcohol.
And what I'm saying to YOU is quit trying to justify their actions. You're fighting a losing war.
Pay the ******** attention.
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Lol, it's obvious that you got your debating skillz on the internet.
This is the same old argument again.
It is not right to have a ALL OR NOTHING mentality with anything on this world.
Which goes back to what I said that people are allowed to like one thing but not like others.
This isn't about defending Gaia.
Because think Gaia was wrong to ban the cigs without warning or without a more informed reason for doing it and it'd be great if they asked for our feedback on it before they did it.
What I'm fighting is the idea that it's so crazy and wrong for someone or a business (Gaia, included) to like alchohol but not smoking? Seriously. What makes Gaia exempt from this moral right?
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Gaia promotes elitism!
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Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:50 pm
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[♥♥♥] I'm not wearing a cig.
Making me go against Gaia's society on what's "cool".
Making me a rebel.
Making me cooler. cool
All I need is a 10mil kitty item and I'm set.
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Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:47 pm
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[♥♥♥] But, they never said they were taking it away because they influence users to smoke.
Or to lessen the influence of cigs on minors.
Nor because they're responsible for children's choices.
All they said was they don't like cigs IRL and dont' think they're sexy on avatars (refering to the cig description) on Gaia.
I'd like them to give a more detailed reason for their decision before I believe they intended more than what they said before.
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Gaia = Hypocritical bigots. You don't make sense.
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Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:38 pm
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Ghost of War
So you're basically trying to justify them for the promoting of teen sex (causing the spread of stds, and teen pregnancy), teen pill consumption, and alcoholism? Where is your logic?
Besides, who are they to decide for us?
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Where is your logic?
How can people make an argument saying pixel cigs don't influence kids to smoke then turn around and say other pixel items that are "just as bad" do influence kids to do bad stuff?
And, yet, Gaia's the one being hypocritical.
And who are they? The owners and creators of cig items.
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Thnx Lanzer, But we still want our cigs!
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Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:30 pm
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bumbayar `deja vu [ ♥♥♥] Losing half their clientele? Proof?
You'd think people would leave because of the CS, that's has more of a influence on RL (aka their banks/money).
Losing half their clientele meaning people wont buy monthly collectibles with real money, because of the mistrust it has caused
tell me would you really buy something if you knew that they would later on take off without any warnings? [ ♥♥♥]
I know what you meant by losing half their clientele. I asked for proof of this and more than people saying they won't by MC. People have said they won't buy X item because Gaia did B, yet there'd still be plenty of listing of that item in the vend and Gaia still makes a good profit off it.
It depends on what it was they later took out the GS.
Now, to relate this to this Cig ban.
1) No one knew they were going to take them off.
2) They took out only Gold shop items.
3) Gave users the opportunity to get their gold back + extra.
4) Those who have tobacco products can still use them (so they're not completely off the site)
5) You can still buy CS items with cigs in them. Whether or not Gaia will allow their artists to create cig/tobacco CS items in the future is still debatable.
So, the problem I can see is that they didn't communicate with us before they made this decision. Nor did they give us more info as to what this means for the future.
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Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:18 pm
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Anthrasax `deja vu [ [ ♥♥♥]
The way they did it was unprofessional, yeah.
And, according to the majority of America, it's morally alright to ban smoking but keep other things. And being that Gaia IS influence by RL, this decision didn't surprise me. You missed my point. I'm not saying it is morally incorrect to ban smoking. It is morally incorrect to say something is wrong and then turn around and do it or support other things that are just as bad. It is also disrespectful the way they are treating us.
Furthermore, only an idiot and a mentally unstable person would be influenced in such a manner. Oh look a pixelated cigarette, I think I am going to go and smoke now. [ ♥♥♥]
The other things are not just as bad or just as good, that's only an opinion.
I think it's illogical to have an All or Nothing view on this.
I don't like alcohol. Does that mean I have to not like other things that are "just as bad"?
If I develop a taste for it later on, should I be attacked for changing my mind?
The great about america is that we don't have to obey an All or Nothing mentality.
And Gaia said nothing about doing this to influence users not to smoke. All they did was say they think it's gross and don't think ava's look sexy with cigs. Their crime is sucking at voicing their opinion and not communicating with is before they made the decision.
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Seriously Gaia?
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Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:05 pm
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sodium Following that logic, they could get rid of all clothing, because sometimes kids get made fun of for their clothing and that can lead to psychological scarring.
I don't really see how alcohol is along the same lines as tobacco. Italian families always drink wine, I probably started when I was 8 or so.
But I don't think smoking is a cultural thing that gets started at young ages (acceptable at young ages.) [ ♥♥♥] Agreed.
Except, I do think it's a cultural thing that does get started at a young age. The majority of smokers I know, started in HS.
I don't think Gaia banned them to get kids to stop smoking, I think it has more to do with the image it presents. And that is young kids are going to a store to buy cigs. IRL, that'd be illegal so I can see how wrong it'd be to have it be legal on a website.
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