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Updated: Dance-only for prizes isn't fair. Go to post 290 Site Feedback Sat Jun 06, 2009 9:41 am
Olivia Solace
Oya_Storm
Asrai
Wow... so they give you this free event - but you're going to complain about it, without giving feedback as to how it can improve?


Yes. I'm not in the habit of presuming that I have the right answers to problems on sites I don't administrate.

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Critique is all well an fine... but the SF is all about sharing your ideas. Complaining isn't quite as productive as sharing ideas that might create a solution to the problem that you are bringing up.

And as I mentioned already... you could quote people who've posted suggestions. In this way you're not giving Gaia your free ideas.


IMO, this is part of the problem in SF...hundreds upon hundreds of useless suggestions from people who have never built a website. I have quite a few websites, but I don't assume that just because of this, I know what the admins here should do.

In the very few cases I do make suggestions, they're concerning things that are easy to figure out from the user end. I'm not in Gaia's business meetings, and I am not privy to the daily work of the developers, so those are things I consider "not my business".

Too many people around here try to make things their business that aren't, and it leads to a lot of needlessly hurt feelings. I would rather refrain from the sniping and pointless arguing that goes on about things users know nothing about.


Than why even bother? You're basically part of the problem by the way you go about it.

You complain, sit there and expect them to do something about it and yet you offer no ideas or solutions as to what could help.

You're sitting there going "it's not my business" and yet it's enough of your business to open your mouth and say something about it.

Why not come full circle and help instead of just hinder?


If I have a problem on one of my websites, I wouldn't want someone who knew nothing about it to make useless suggestions. I respect the developers of this site too much to stick my nose where it doesn't belong, and myself too much to make such a fool of myself.

If I notice a problem but don't know why the problem exists, I believe that stating that there is a problem is enough. You are free to do as you like. It's just not my way to be overly pushy or presumptuous.
Updated: Dance-only for prizes isn't fair. Go to post 290 Site Feedback Fri Jun 05, 2009 12:23 am
Asrai
Wow... so they give you this free event - but you're going to complain about it, without giving feedback as to how it can improve?


Yes. I'm not in the habit of presuming that I have the right answers to problems on sites I don't administrate.

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Critique is all well an fine... but the SF is all about sharing your ideas. Complaining isn't quite as productive as sharing ideas that might create a solution to the problem that you are bringing up.

And as I mentioned already... you could quote people who've posted suggestions. In this way you're not giving Gaia your free ideas.


IMO, this is part of the problem in SF...hundreds upon hundreds of useless suggestions from people who have never built a website. I have quite a few websites, but I don't assume that just because of this, I know what the admins here should do.

In the very few cases I do make suggestions, they're concerning things that are easy to figure out from the user end. I'm not in Gaia's business meetings, and I am not privy to the daily work of the developers, so those are things I consider "not my business".

Too many people around here try to make things their business that aren't, and it leads to a lot of needlessly hurt feelings. I would rather refrain from the sniping and pointless arguing that goes on about things users know nothing about.
Updated: Dance-only for prizes isn't fair. Go to post 290 Site Feedback Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:16 am
Asrai
Oya_Storm
For all those who are giving game and Flash settings tips, thank you for them. Even though I personally have way too much trouble doing horizontal DDR even with the easiest songs this year, it can make the difference for people who just find it mildly frustrating.

I would much rather see more real suggestions than dismissive responses. smile


Except you've been rather dismissive with people that disagree with you. In my opinion anyways...

I've asked this before and I've seen at least another ask you this question: why haven't you posted suggestion on the first page? Instead of just complaining why not post some ideas as to how they can make this event better. Or go through your thread and quote people who've posted suggestions.


Well, aside of a lack of will to bore non webmasters with such tedium, in principle I do not give free ideas to businesses that are not paying me or providing some other type of compensation. It's not my website. I'm not being paid to teach people how to run a website. If they've been hired, and don't know how to host online games by now, then something more is wrong than my not giving suggestions.
Updated: Dance-only for prizes isn't fair. Go to post 290 Site Feedback Sun May 31, 2009 9:46 pm
For all those who are giving game and Flash settings tips, thank you for them. Even though I personally have way too much trouble doing horizontal DDR even with the easiest songs this year, it can make the difference for people who just find it mildly frustrating.

I would much rather see more real suggestions than dismissive responses. smile
Updated: Dance-only for prizes isn't fair. Go to post 290 Site Feedback Sun May 31, 2009 1:53 pm
Tsuki Kurai
@OP: First of all, the event is not supposed to be easy. If it were easy, the items would have no value.
Second of all, and most importantly, noting in life, ever, no matter what, was or will ever be fair to everyone. That is absolutely impossible in the flawed universe that we live in. There are certainly things that could have been done better with this event, but your whining will not help. Give constructive criticism, that will be appreciated and used to make things better in the future, but please do not simply complain about how this isn't fair to a small percentage of the world.


The reason I think such responses are silly is because by the time someone has actually been disabled, or hell, lived past the age of 5, they're aware that not everything in life is supposed to be easy.

So really, people should keep such responses to themselves.

Yeah, we know we don't get everything we want in life...but the real lesson you're teaching us is that not everyone we'll encounter in life has the gutts to step up and do or say something about things in life that they consider unfair, and some weak willed people don't want other people to have the gutts either.
Updated: Dance-only for prizes isn't fair. Go to post 290 Site Feedback Sun May 31, 2009 3:15 am
Rock Rebellion
No, I think you need to admit that this is pretty pointless.
Would you blame the companies who tried to cater to everyone but only gets the majority. No because like i said. Its the majority. AND if they only catered to the minority, everyone would be upset. rolleyes


I contend that, judging by facts that can actually be observed, such as users online, the item count and prices, that the majority of users are not participating in this event, and the few who are, not very enthusiastically.

The whys may be speculation, but an educated guess, in my opinion, is due to the appeal of this event being to the minority.

I doubt that we'll get admin confirmation on this, but I also doubt that if we did, they'd say anything contrary to what is already easily observed.

So if your answer to my issue is "majority rules" then you aren't watching the data.
Updated: Dance-only for prizes isn't fair. Go to post 290 Site Feedback Sat May 30, 2009 7:46 pm
Juliette06
Okidoke, I'm gonna try to be nice (really, I am), but I sometimes get carried away, so if I offend anybody tooooo badly, I'm sorry.

First off - Gaia has to cater to the many, not the few. Most people are not disabled and most people have a powerful enough computer to play simple flash games. It sucks that you are/don't have one, but Gaia can't hold everything just for a few people. That wouldn't be fair either.


Fair enough, but in this case, the "many" aren't participating in the event because it only caters to a limited few users who both enjoy and are able to play horizontal DDR.

...and even in the case of those who are participating, the majority appear (from forum posts on both sides of the issue) to be disappointed in both the performance and the level of difficulty for *normal* users.

The event was supposed to be a community event, which implies that everyone should have a fair shot at participating, even if they don't win.

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Second, it's not really nice/right/whatever else you wanna say to claim that someone saying the things you posted on the OP are flaming/trolling, because they're not (well, okay, maybe the last one is). It's people's opinions, and some people are kind of harsh that way. They can't help it (usually).


The responses cited in the first post would be inflammatory, and serve no purpose but to bring up irrelevant issues for the sake of picking on people. I didn't and do not intend to report anyone for disagreeing/debating. The only ones whose cases I jumped were people who were being disproportionately stupid.

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Third, dance-only prizes are fair, actually. It generally guarantees involvement, and tapping the keys isn't really all that difficult.


I don't find recognizing numeric patterns or cracking many codes, or figuring out the alphabets of many languages without a key that difficult.

What's your point?

...that it's okay to make community events that cater only to people with exceptional skills?

If you do, then I hope the next community event is entirely in Hebrew. It's so easy that kids do it all the time. smile

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Plus, you can buy the items in the MP for...how much? Pretty sure it's under 1k.


Very few of the items are under 1k. As it stands, from the item counts and prices, this is a low participation event.

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So, please, if you're going to make a thread about this...think about that stuff? You need to put yourself in Gaia's shoes. End rant. Bye~


I'm not in the habit of making assumptions about a website I'm not administrating. I prefer to stick to the facts, which are that this event is inaccessible to a good chunk of the user base, and is also too difficult for the majority of users to be coined as a "community event".

I cannot observe "Gaia's shoes". I can observe user response, item counts, prices, and feedback from users.
A New Skin Go to post 111 Site Feedback Fri May 29, 2009 6:01 am
I think that would be very cute...even better if it can layer over other skins like the new Twilight sparkling skin. smile
Updated: Dance-only for prizes isn't fair. Go to post 290 Site Feedback Fri May 29, 2009 5:30 am
Achenar
Oya_Storm
...and by the way, the evolution thing works both ways. You're talking to an experienced webmaster who finds it backwards and "business impaired" to *not* be concerned about accessibility.


As a fellow web developer, while I agree accessibility IS a concern... to accomodate every single situation the site would have to be entirely text-based. The site as it is WITHOUT Flash is going to be a struggle for dialup users. I had dialup for years, and just dealt with it.
I do agree that some visibility options - whether that's removing the background elements when you 'dance' so that only the arrows are visible, or offering a full-screen larger version - would be a great addition next time they use this game. But the people talking about discrimination are off their nut. wink

Also, most of the people you're 'reporting' aren't trolling, they're giving feedback that's contrary to your opinion. You might want to be careful about that - abusing the report system is also an offense.


I'm not talking about accommodating "every single situation". I'm talking about alternatives to horizontal DDR. My original post was that making it so that the only way to get the items was the one game that shuts out so many users, was unfair.

I can take it on the chin that they apparently don't care. It's just that if they don't care, they shouldn't expect me or any of the other users who've been disappointed by this event, to care much either.
Updated: Dance-only for prizes isn't fair. Go to post 290 Site Feedback Fri May 29, 2009 5:24 am
Achenar
Oya_Storm
Achenar
Oya_Storm
...and by the way, the evolution thing works both ways. You're talking to an experienced webmaster who finds it backwards and "business impaired" to *not* be concerned about accessibility.


As a fellow web developer, while I agree accessibility IS a concern... to accomodate every single situation the site would have to be entirely text-based. The site as it is WITHOUT Flash is going to be a struggle for dialup users. I had dialup for years, and just dealt with it.
I do agree that some visibility options - whether that's removing the background elements when you 'dance' so that only the arrows are visible, or offering a full-screen larger version - would be a great addition next time they use this game. But the people talking about discrimination are off their nut. wink

Also, most of the people you're 'reporting' aren't trolling, they're giving feedback that's contrary to your opinion. You might want to be careful about that - abusing the report system is also an offense.


Reporting someone for trolling and abuse is not abuse of the reporting system. It's in place so that we don't have to waste our time arguing with sociopaths with a grudge against disabled people.

There are those who have made their point and even been funny about it, who I have no problem with. What I don't like is obsessives latching onto the topic and using it to be online bullies.


Except that you aren't reporting trolls, you're reporting people who disagree with you.


Am I?

Have I reported everyone who's disagreed with me in this thread?
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