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I really do have to respond to this...



You can do both, you know. Take a character, make a situation, and have them react to it how they would if that same situation would have happened in the show. This is NOT an either/or situation here.

And, as for the part I bolded, not all fan fiction uses the characters from the canon. I've seen way too many pokemon fanfictions with all original characters (trainer fics anyone?), unless you count the pokemon themselves.



I have to call bullshit on this, as it is assuming what the writer thinks. Just because I write fanfiction does not mean I think the show is "incomplete," "wrong," or anything of that sort. You may add the implication to the story, but just because you think it has it does not mean it actually does.




No, you do not. Just bcause it is a fan fiction does NOT mean it cannot have an underlying message and/or symbolism. This is making assumptions about the whole crop, which you just can't do unless you read every one of them. They don't all fall under these three definitions, or even under just one. You don't trivialize anything; if you do your homework and actually write it like it should be written, you actually add on to the story. Fill in gaps that were left in the original.




I can not tell you the merits, because they are merits to me. Just because I go by them, does not mean they are merits for everyone else, so it is pointless to bring them up.

Alas, I need to go to a class now. You can PM me rather then post here if you want to make sure I get the reply, if you want to continue on.

I'll look into those, thanks. As I said, I have no recollection of the two models being mentioned, even in the Creative Writing course I took in the last school year, so this is something new for me. smile

It is well received in general. I even remember being on this one writing forum, and one of the girls made her utter hatred of fanfiction known, and how she would OMGSUETHEMALL if they dared touch her novel. neutral I just laughed at her.

I don't know, regardless of how bad a lot of fanfiction can be, I don't think fan fiction in and of itself deserves the bad rep. The current writers should, maybe, but not the idea of fan fiction. A story cannot create itself with the writer.

I agree about FFN. I'm a member that, and I tend to stick to only certain writers, ones I know that churn out good stories. Then again, no matter what site you go on you'll find s**t, so blasting on FFN for having s**t...yeah, no. Now if you want to talk about the attitude of people there, then we'll talk.

I'll admit again, that is a problem I've seen getting worse. I've been reading and writing it for roughly 6 years now, and I've seen the decline that has been occurring. Though it really varies from fandom to fandom, as far as I can see. You also see the same in original fiction, though, which is really I'd say worse then if a fan fiction is uncreative. It's a shame, regardless, as fan fiction has so much potential in it....



Not features. That would be humans that took on the physical characters of their pokemon counterparts, I'd think. However, what my concept is of the elements, the attacks. For an example, I'll use Pikachu, an electric type. It/he/she can do Thunderbolt. A human of the same element, electric, would be able to do something similar, if not the same, as Thunderbolt. A better term I could have used instead of element is powers, attacks, or spells. Though to go into the why would take me awhile, and I'm sure you have better things to do then listen to me go on about my fan fiction. XD




That was what I meant in my remark that good authors know how to take their what-if and make an actual story out of it, answering the hows, why's, what's, and where's of it. Cross the t's, dot the i's, so on and so forth. It all comes down to the talent of who is behind the story, which fan fiction has an unfortunate lack of right now.




I'm surprised I've never actually heard of the fable model...



This one interests me. I think I might try my hand at using it, see where it goes.



Ah, another one. smile I'm also into those, though I'm less into horror and sci-fi, and more into fantasy.

I also read novels, write, and role play, though I've been doing less of all three as of late. Though it is slightly off-topic, what types do you like? Fantasy, sci-fi, historical...?

Well, that's the thing about fan fiction. It isn't just a matter of what-ifs. It's taking that what-if and making a story out of it....if they are a good writer.

Take my fan fiction Shadow League for example. The what-if of it would be 'What if people had a pokemon's elements?" However, I took that question, and weaved a story idea using it. It went up and beyond that question to form its own plot that deviated from the question.

I'll admit that there are too many people that try to write fan fiction and forget that it is supposed to be a story. They take the what-if, and forget to make a story out of it. IE: The 14 year olds writing smut fan fictions with no plot.

It really all comes down to each fan fiction. I ask that same question. What makes me want to read it? If it's mindless drivel, there is nothing there to make me want to read it. But if they took it and went farther then the question, then it can and is as good as any original novel.

If I'm getting incoherent, I apologize.

I think we cannot really label it as one or the other, black or white. While for one fan fiction is may just be trash some horny 14 year old wrote, the other might be that the author is genuinely writing it to see what might happen had things been different for the characters. For others it could be both, or neither.

For me, I write the character different from what they are portrayed in the show, and at different ages. It isn't because I'm unhappy with the canon version, but because I like seeing what might of happened if he had been a little less nice, or she had been less of a b***h. What would have happened if a war had erupted at a certain time, or if something in the canon did not exist. It isn't a matter of getting off to it; it's just a matter of curiosity for me.

You really cannot pin one generic explanation or label on it. Everyone of them is different, and written for different reasons.

I think the issue was less about mommy not fluffing his pillows and tucking him in with teddy, and more about how her sex life was of such great importance to her, even topping her own child on the priority list. I do believe that is called neglect and is illegal for a reason.

Taking care of a child is more then feeding and clothing them. It's taking care of them emotionally too, which his did not by not paying enough attention to him when he was little, I imagine.

Try again sir. Straight from Gaia's mouth. A proper debate uses not only opinions, but FACTS to back up those opinions. While in a thread like this one 'facts' are not easy, if at all possible, to come by, in general you know nothing about the ED.

So that automatically makes it right? "Oh, all countries do it, so we shouldn't be angry when another decides to!" How about if a bunch of countries started killing off people as a new sport? Would it be alright because it's not just one country doing it?

I, as a resident of the United States, hate it with a fierce passion. I give it the respect it deserves for allowing me to at least make minimal use of it's resources, but the screwing over I've had done by it has left a permanent bitter taste in my mouth in regards to the political/government side of it. The people are a totally different set of issues entirely.