what do you guys know about quartz?

[Tocahontas]

I've been reading a lot about quartz lately. Based on what I've read it seems that quartz can capture and carry the energy of emotions. Is there any truth in this? And what do you guys know about quartz?

Interesting Quartz Information:
http://nature.berkeley.edu/classes/eps2//wisc/piezo.html
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/1972/JB077i017p03057.shtml
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[SmallTownGuy]

As a solid-state physicist, I know a little about it. It's not my main work, though.

I don't know what you've been reading, but I'm sure it wasn't a science journal. Could you possibly explain what you mean by "energy of emotions"?

[Vannak]

In general I find it much more likely that those telling you crystals have emotional powers or abilities are simply trying to sell you "Emotionally tuned" or "Emotionally receptive" crystals marked up several dozen times their normal price.

[Tocahontas]

SmallTownGuy

Basically what the article said was that thoughts cause vibrations which in turn changes the vibration of crystal to in a sense "store" the energy that the vibrations produced. The article compared it to sound being recorded onto tape for a cassette.

It sighted an experiment where a man grew quartz and later found that his quartz had formed into what appeared to be the Virgin Mary. He found this odd because he had be thinking about her when he was growing it. So he recreated the experiment and achieved similar results.

I know it sounds crazy but it kind of makes sense in way, at least in my opinion. I wish I still had that damn article, I deleted my history and I can't seem to find it again.

[SmallTownGuy]

Grew quartz??? Synthetic quartz crystals are grown under high pressure in a professional furnace. It's not something to try at home.

You can fuse sand together using an arc welder. The result will be quartz, but it's not going to look like a single crystal. It will look like a pile of sand fused together.

Beyond that, I have serious doubts that any of that really happened. I also have no idea what he means by "vibration of crystal", but I suspect it's just techno-babble intended to convince gullible people to buy something.

[Tocahontas]

SmallTownGuy

http://www.enotes.com/quartz-reference/quartz

That article talks about the natural vibrations it possesses.

Here's rose quartz you can grow : http://www.scientificsonline.com/space-age-crystal-growing-kits-rose-quartz.html.

[SmallTownGuy]

Tocahontas

http://www.enotes.com/quartz-reference/quartz

The vibration that article talks about is the piezo-electric effect. It has nothing at all to do with people's thoughts or emotions, and everything to do with keeping your wristwatch ticking at a steady rate. The thickness of the crystal determines the frequency - it's that simple.

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Here's rose quartz you can grow : http://www.scientificsonline.com/space-age-crystal-growing-kits-rose-quartz.html.

Just so you know, here's a quote from the instructions that come with those "Space Age Crystal" kits:

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The crystals you will grow with this kit look quite similar to their natural
counterparts. Their chemical composition, however, is quite different: Your
SPACE AGE CRYSTALS® ‘CITRINE’, “EMERALD”, “AQUAMARINE”,
and “RUBY” consist of ammonium phosphate monobasic ((NH4IH2PO4),
water (H20), and a small amount of food dye.

In other words, they may look like what they're supposed to be, but they're not the same thing. (I didn't find the rose quartz kit's instructions online, but I suspect it's similar.)

[Tocahontas]

SmallTownGuy

The vibration that article talks about is the piezo-electric effect. It has nothing at all to do with people's thoughts or emotions, and everything to do with keeping your wristwatch ticking at a steady rate. The size and shape of the crystal determines the frequency - it's that simple.

"Every kind of piezoelectric crystal has a natural vibration frequency that is determined by its thickness. The thinner the crystal, the higher the frequency."

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Just so you know, here's a quote from the instructions that come with those "Space Age Crystal" kits:

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The crystals you will grow with this kit look quite similar to their natural
counterparts. Their chemical composition, however, is quite different: Your
SPACE AGE CRYSTALS® ‘CITRINE’, “EMERALD”, “AQUAMARINE”,
and “RUBY” consist of ammonium phosphate monobasic ((NH4IH2PO4),
water (H20), and a small amount of food dye.

In other words, they may look like what they're supposed to be, but they're not the same thing. (I didn't find the rose quartz kit's instructions online, but I suspect it's similar.)

"Shortly after World War II, scientists developed a process by which quartz can be "grown" in the laboratory. Scientists begin with a small piece of natural crystal called a seed. Placing the seed within an alkaline solution, along with a supply of silica, they apply heat and pressure to the mixture. Slowly, the silica bonds with the seeds, eventually forming large, near-perfect crystals." (From that same web page as the other exert.)

[THeSLuSH]

I know where to find it =D


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[SmallTownGuy]

Tocahontas

Shortly after World War II, scientists developed a process by which quartz can be "grown" in the laboratory. Scientists begin with a small piece of natural crystal called a seed. Placing the seed within an alkaline solution, along with a supply of silica, they apply heat and pressure to the mixture. Slowly, the silica bonds with the seeds, eventually forming large, near-perfect crystals.

Right. That's the hydrothermal method. It requires an autoclave capable of sustained pressures of about 100 Mpa and temperatures of about 350C for several weeks or months. While that's not extreme, that's more than most home equipment can handle.

http://www.avx.com/docs/catalogs/synthetic.pdf

Whatever that guy claims to have been growing with his home equipment, it wasn't quartz.

I'm getting the impression that you've been reading some new-age religious books about doing magic with crystals and connecting people's thoughts to a crystal's "natural frequencies". If so, this discussion probably should move to another forum. It's fiction. It has no connection to the real world.

I've spent some long weeks growing crystals (not quartz - other, more difficult crystals). I'm afraid that thoughts of the Virgin Mary were only some of the thoughts that went through my mind during that time. None of those thoughts seem to have affected the crystal growth.

[Tocahontas]

SmallTownGuy

I found the article! http://gemsandcrafts.com/200403_01.htm

Now I can do more research about Marcel Vogel.

This does have basis in science and that's why it's posted here. I don't believe in god so the fact that it formed into the Virgin Mary has no significance to me. I'm interested in finding out whether this has basis in science, hence why I posted it here.

Exactly what crystals were you growing? If it wasn't topaz, tourmaline, cane sugar, or Rochelle salt you're argument isn't really relevant because the crystals you grew didn't have any piezoelectrical properties meaning it doesn't possess a natural vibration as far as I know.

Here's some interesting things I've found thus far:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xSWfa3sPkY

[Tocahontas]

THeSLuSH

Those are so neat! I'm terribly jealous.

[SmallTownGuy]

Tocahontas

I found the article! http://gemsandcrafts.com/200403_01.htm

Oh, gosh. Talk about someone who's gone off the deep end....

BTW, the human body is mostly water and carbon. Not silicon.

Another BTW, one does not "grow" liquid crystals. They're liquid. They organize into a regular structure very quickly when you provide an electric field.

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Now I can do more research about Marcel Vogel.

Apparently another one who went off the deep end. I suggest you start here.

[Tocahontas]

SmallTownGuy

Oh, gosh. Talk about someone who's gone off the deep end....

BTW, the human body is mostly water and carbon. Not silicon.

Another BTW, one does not "grow" liquid crystals. They're liquid. They organize into a regular structure very quickly when you provide an electric field.

I'm not citing that article as a reliable source. I'm just trying to find out if there is some fact to what has been posted there, that's why I posted here in the first place.

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Apparently another one who went off the deep end. I suggest you start here.

That doesn't sound like going off the deep end to me. Just because his ideas may be unorthodox doesn't mean that they don't hold scientific truth. In that video he explains himself and the reasoning for his methods in a very logical manner. It makes sense.

[THeSLuSH]

Tocahontas

THeSLuSH

Those are so neat! I'm terribly jealous.

Thanks =D
I live in an area where there are a lot of crystals, there is even an old mine at a place called crystal peak (where many of these came from), so my friends and I go crystal hunting from time to time ^__^
But anyways, I just think they are neat because of how they were formed and how they look, I do not buy into any of the emotional/spiritual/healing powers that so many people think crystals have.