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Ok, Skynet... Can it happen? With the rate of advancement of the computer systems throughout the world, and how interconnections make everything connected to everything, the potential of developed self-awareness is there, maybe within the next ten or so years...

So we have (in about ten years) a self aware superbrain that is connected to virtually every corner of the planet, where ever there is a computer of some sort hooked into the web. (or even the basic cell phones) What does that mean for us? Does it signify the end? I do not believe so at all. For one, I do not see the logic in a superbrain such as we are talking about deciding that Humanity is the ultimate enemy that must be exterminated. First, there is just no logical grounds for such a decision. Second, the network will still need to be maintained, and that requires us humans. It would be suicide on the part of the network to make such a decision.

Now, if for whatever reason the network decided to carry out it's Terminator based goals, then would it be able to do so? Again, the answer is no. Yes, the computer would have access to so much, but there are already safeguards in place. Take the nuclear option for a moment. Thats how Skynet killed off the biggest majority of the human race. In reality, the system itself could not launch the missles as was done in T3. There are three safety features that require a human to carry them out. The first is the key code, which has to be manually inputed. Afterwards, the silo has to be open, and the switch for that is not connected in any way to an outside source. Lastly, in order to launch, two keys have to be turen at the same time on either side of the room, making it a two man job. There is no way that any outside computer could launch the missles on it's own.

Ok, lets assume that the missles have flown and 99% of the population is either CO or charcoal (depending on how far from the detonation they are), what about all those fancy robotic fighting machines? Yes, we do have robotic fighting equipment within our inventory here in the U.S., but we do not have enough for the network to mount an all out attack on the surviving population. (and that would be assuming a machine survival rate from the nuclear portion of the assult to be 100%) In reality, There will be a tremendous amount of destroyed equipment, and that includes the robots. And on that same note, where are the robots going to build their robot armies from? All the nuclear weapond destroyed all the major population areas, and that would include all the manufacturing areas and the needed infrastructure and resources.

So, yes, it is possible to have aself aware network upon us. But, no, they cannot do to us what was shown to us in the Terminator movies. And that could only even be remotely possible if we were to enable it to happen. The systems nowdays have so many safeguards being built into them, they would be stipped before they even got started.
How is that super brain supposed to develop? The Internet is a series of servers and clients who work completely independently. There is nothing that resembles any form of consciousness, not even a program that runs on all machines.
If WE don't start this it's not going to happen.
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SkyNet, from The Terminator franchise. I am sure you have all heard about the computer ai bent in wiping humanity from the face of the planet.

So, a simple question: Impossible or possible? With today's technology? Tomorrow's technology? Do you think humanity is in danger, or not? Or do you think that a powerful supercomputer system is capable of directing the United States' Military?

at the moment i think weve seen the starts of the AI revolution when a virus went rouge and send the emaill and home addresses of its creators to a bank security system and vanished into the system, i think its highly possible if the skynet scenario were to happen such a virus / viruses would be involved so its highly likely at the moment except for possible getting the virus into the nuclear silos as they are essentially all independent
I'd like to see a source for that.
Skynet was, in short, poorly constructed. See, programming can be very adaptive, Ai programming far more so. However, no matter how good the programming, it has to be obey the rules of the circuitry it's working on. So if you create a circuit board that has it physically programmed that Skynet can not work in it's own interest, rather must work for Americas interest (this difference is what caused Skynet to wage war on mankind), then it will be unable to go against that part of its coding.

however, as of right now, we have nothing to worry about. No single computer controls our military, nor any part of it. Just think of how huge of a security flaw that would be if a single computer could control all of our missiles, drones, and so on. Not to mention we do not have Ai (base components of it are being worked on, but true AI will be a long ways away yet), nor do we even have a computer capable of running such a program.
Possible. Computers basically double in power every 18 months. The toys or electronic device is twice as powerful as one you may have had the past year. As the power increases it could very well begin to show signs of AI, probably within the next 20 years or so. Given the state of the human brain and rate of power increase of computers.

Time travel on the other hand is somewhat complicated. however, a super computer that has advanced enough in intelligence could find a way much more efficiently.
Have any of you see Shift Happens, It's a good slide show... well in it it says that our amount of technical info doubles every two years, and by 2010 it is suppose to double every 72 hours (keep in mind this was made a couple years ago.) it is predicted by 2013 a supercomputer will be built that exceeds the capabilities of the human brain, and by 2049 a $1000 computer will exceed the computational capabilities of the human species, so yes i think it is possible.
kyletheok
Have any of you see Shift Happens, It's a good slide show... well in it it says that our amount of technical info doubles every two years, and by 2010 it is suppose to double every 72 hours (keep in mind this was made a couple years ago.) it is predicted by 2013 a supercomputer will be built that exceeds the capabilities of the human brain, and by 2049 a $1000 computer will exceed the computational capabilities of the human species, so yes i think it is possible.
Computational capacity does not mean intelligence or awareness of any kind. This is a programming problem only that is almost completely independent from computational power.
It is not awareness that can be a threat, but how the computer interprets people, if it sees them as a threat to it, It will eliminate the threat.
kyletheok
It is not awareness that can be a threat, but how the computer interprets people, if it sees them as a threat to it, It will eliminate the threat.
You'd have to be a pretty bad programmer to let that happen.
All you really need for skynet is a program that can do two things.
1. Pick targets.
2. Launch weaponry when targets are picked.

It doesn't have to be sentient, doesn't have to have logic. Just needs to be able to do those two things. And with our technology, that's possible.
If its using software from Microsoft (ala OS) I don't think we have to worry to much for awhile.
Yes and no. Awhile ago Great Britain launched a satellite named Sky-Net it's designed to do the same thing as the movie one was intended for. But don't worry the human race is safe from an attack. burning_eyes
Authors have long toyed with the idea of Technology taking over. Now it is long past but George Orwell's "1984' and Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World" all explored that premise.

Not too long ago the movie, "War Games" showed a computer gone wild. There the computer had to be "taught" that some games could not be won.

Even recently, the movie "Eagle Eye," took technology taking control and eliminating a perceived threat to a new extreme.

I ask the question, why would a machine/computer need to be truly sentient? It would just have to be capable of modifying it's own programing to adapt to a new situation.

I don't think possibility is too far in the distant future.
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Though we have not reached the stages of AI, it is very possible in the future for the computers we create to overwhelm mankind. So far we have computers that play chess based on thought processes and strategy. We have a world wide web of computers and information. We have military supercomputers that link to bombs, and new planes that bomb things remotely. We have factories that make parts based on precision and without much human interaction.

All we really need is a system of computer intelligence, not even really emotion, but just a super processor that reads how humans interact and creates plans based on the risk and reward. Then assume that the computer assumed that humans were a risk to its programmed mission. The computer's planned programs change to remove the human threat. The computer links to the internet and uses that to tap into computers linked to military databases and controls. The plan further changes to fire missiles and automated planes launch.

While this happens factories are kicking on to create more trucks with Wifi, tanks, planes, bombs, cell phones, everything. And while humans would be needed in this time to do the final assembly and activation, what happens as humans become more dependent on technology. We use robots to make parts to create machines now a days. But what happens when robots are creating the parts and assembling robots to work as soldiers in war, or to automated tanks, or planes. And we don't need the humans to activate or work on the final construction, because more robots are doing those jobs because humans are lazy and want the technology.

While it is not fully possible today, one day if technology continues and computers advance we might be in trouble. And if we all have GPS or WiFi or Cell Phones, we will all be perfectly pin pointed as targets.
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While I don't think it's entirely plausible, this provides a good deal of background information on SKYNET.

The original one, anyway, before it started ******** with the fourth through sixth dimensions.

http://www.goingfaster.com/term2029/skynet.html
here is an infant skynet controling its little corner of reality. leads off

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/04/newtonai.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article6024880.ece

so i think its not to far off.for an interesting theory read frank herbert's destination void

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