do u believe that we evolved from monkeys?

do you believe that we evolved from the ancestors of monkeys?

yes	55.8%	[ 241 ]
no	35.4%	[ 153 ]
not sure because you dont know anything at the matter of this topic	8.8%	[ 38 ]
Total Votes:			[ 432 ]

[Anima De Arcana]

xyre_silverfangs

Patella

Anima De Arcana

Thank you Patella, thank you.

mrgreen
Gah! Spider Bears!

Yeah, Patella. You rock! Bring on the rationalists!

If the creationists had it their way, we'd go back in time when botulism was still a sauce, back when a grand total of 5% of all babies survived their first year, while plague, death, and poverty was abound. I give thanks to the human intelect for creating the scientific process. It'll give us a chance to finally break away from the bullshit and make some actual sense out of the world around us.

"Godidit" is not an answer, not one that holds weight.

I agree but I still find joyous irony in your mispelling of "Intellectual".
Also, I'm rather tired of religion taking responsibility for the whole "equal under god democracy" and America being founded on religion. All the big revolutionist; Benjamin, Jefferson, Hancock, and Washington to name a few; have quotes saying that religion was bad for humanity and democracy, which anyone could figure out "herd metality" is bad for individualism. Not to mention the reason we rebeled was because we were being oppressed by a King, the next highest member of the "Celestial Order" behind the Pope; who recently said condoms make HIV worse, some how.

[Golden Dysprosium]

xyre_silverfangs

piscator

Patella

Jennivieve

I've never understood why people feel that it must be one or the other. Here's one way that it can be merged.
The Bible says that the Earth and all the life on it was created in 6 days. (The 7th day was a day of rest.) The geologic record says that the Earth is approx. 4.5 billion years old. The theory of relativity could be applied there. Say that one of God's days equals millions of years here on Earth. This could well provide enough time for evolution to occur on the same schedule as the Bible says.

But the Bible doesn't say anything about evolution, and is unclear about certain time frames. The thing everyone on the supernaturalists' team have to keep in mind is that the Bible is in no way a scientific document. It's like taking a child to a magic show; the child sees something, then interprets it as being magic, since they can't comprehend any other explaination. You (the skeptic) know there was a trapdoor under that box, but the child (the God Squad) thinks the magician can traverse time and space at will.
Who wrote Genesis anyway? Is there an author credited? Was said person there at the time?

piscator

not that i don't agree with but here's a ponder for you you say gods years are millions years here on earth. maybe god lives some where around a black hole this would explain the extreme time lag in prompt answering of prayers.

Why that's wrong as well as Correlation =/= causation.
You wouldn't happen to be a Mormon, by chance?

Proud to be a dreaded atheist i just thought it could explain why god doesn't save the babies who die horribly every year. from preventable reasons i my humble opinion god as a force for good seems to be a big failure.

bahahaha! Prayer? Lmao! Are you serious? You wanna know how prayer, works, or rather DOESN'T work? It's the very system of how 'God answers prayers' which is always with "Yes." "No." Or "Wait." Now, lets say that 'God' is a jug of milk, I mean people have prayed to all manor of objects symbols and images, right? So you pray to the jug and you ask for money, and the jug can only answer your prayers in the form of yes no or wait. A week later you get an unexpected check in the mail from the government. Or, perhaps four months later you get a raise at your job, or perhaps nothing happens at all.

The Magic 8 jug! lmao rofl

[piscator]

Patella

piscator

Patella

Jennivieve

I've never understood why people feel that it must be one or the other. Here's one way that it can be merged.
The Bible says that the Earth and all the life on it was created in 6 days. (The 7th day was a day of rest.) The geologic record says that the Earth is approx. 4.5 billion years old. The theory of relativity could be applied there. Say that one of God's days equals millions of years here on Earth. This could well provide enough time for evolution to occur on the same schedule as the Bible says.

The thing everyone on the supernaturalists' team have to keep in mind is that the Bible is in no way a scientific document.

piscator

not that i don't agree with but here's a ponder for you you say gods years are millions years here on earth. maybe god lives some where around a black hole this would explain the extreme time lag in prompt answering of prayers.

Why that's wrong as well as Correlation =/= causation.
You wouldn't happen to be a Mormon, by chance?

Proud to be a dreaded atheist i just thought it could explain why god doesn't save the babies who die horribly every year from preventable reasons in my humble opinion god as a force for good seems to be a big failure.

Are you sure you're an atheist? 'cuz it seems like you're playing both sides, and that's an agnostic thing. neutral
Let me just close this topic by pointing out the conclusions that everyone eventually comes to in the 8 million threads about Evolution/Creationism:
-Creationism isn't science, and never will be
-Evolution is real, with tons of evidence to back it up
-Evolution isn't a theory, it's a scientific theory, which is about as close to fact as it gets
-Humans didn't evolve from "monkeys", but a common ancestor, much like dogs are descended from wolves.
-the Bible is insufficient for scientific data, as modern science has only come into being in the last 200 years, with nearly a millenia seperating the two
-Pope John Paul II said that Evolution is no longer a mere hypothesis, but factual
-you can reconcile the two by saying God created Evolution, though this is playing Devil's advocate
-Creationism is blatantly Christian, with Christian doctrine leanings
-science seeks to address natural phenonemon, while religion deals with the supernatural, which cannot be tested by scientific means

woa woa wait a minute i am a reformed catholic as in i can't choke down their s^$#@ or anyone else's god line and i actively point out to my children how not to get brainwashed ok i just wanted to throw the creationists a cookie.

[Wilczurak]

piscator

Patella

piscator

Patella

Jennivieve

I've never understood why people feel that it must be one or the other. Here's one way that it can be merged.
The Bible says that the Earth and all the life on it was created in 6 days. (The 7th day was a day of rest.) The geologic record says that the Earth is approx. 4.5 billion years old. The theory of relativity could be applied there. Say that one of God's days equals millions of years here on Earth. This could well provide enough time for evolution to occur on the same schedule as the Bible says.

The thing everyone on the supernaturalists' team have to keep in mind is that the Bible is in no way a scientific document.

piscator

not that i don't agree with but here's a ponder for you you say gods years are millions years here on earth. maybe god lives some where around a black hole this would explain the extreme time lag in prompt answering of prayers.

Why that's wrong as well as Correlation =/= causation.
You wouldn't happen to be a Mormon, by chance?

Proud to be a dreaded atheist i just thought it could explain why god doesn't save the babies who die horribly every year from preventable reasons in my humble opinion god as a force for good seems to be a big failure.

Are you sure you're an atheist? 'cuz it seems like you're playing both sides, and that's an agnostic thing. neutral
Let me just close this topic by pointing out the conclusions that everyone eventually comes to in the 8 million threads about Evolution/Creationism:
-Creationism isn't science, and never will be
-Evolution is real, with tons of evidence to back it up
-Evolution isn't a theory, it's a scientific theory, which is about as close to fact as it gets
-Humans didn't evolve from "monkeys", but a common ancestor, much like dogs are descended from wolves.
-the Bible is insufficient for scientific data, as modern science has only come into being in the last 200 years, with nearly a millenia seperating the two
-Pope John Paul II said that Evolution is no longer a mere hypothesis, but factual
-you can reconcile the two by saying God created Evolution, though this is playing Devil's advocate
-Creationism is blatantly Christian, with Christian doctrine leanings
-science seeks to address natural phenonemon, while religion deals with the supernatural, which cannot be tested by scientific means

woa woa wait a minute i am a reformed catholic as in i can't choke down their s^$#@ or anyone else's god line and i actively point out to my children how not to get brainwashed ok i just wanted to throw the creationists a cookie.

If that doesn't change anyone's mind, nothing will--not proof, not the lack of answers from God. You can't get any holier than the pope. If he disagrees with you, you don't deserve to be a Christian. --And if you're offended by that, you shouldn't be one anyway.

To the other religions: proof > blind belief.

(Of course that still won't change anyone's mind.)

[Golden Dysprosium]

Wilczurak

Patella

Let me just close this topic by pointing out the conclusions that everyone eventually comes to in the 8 million threads about Evolution/Creationism:
-Creationism isn't science, and never will be
-Evolution is real, with tons of evidence to back it up
-Evolution isn't a theory, it's a scientific theory, which is about as close to fact as it gets
-Humans didn't evolve from "monkeys", but a common ancestor, much like dogs are descended from wolves.
-the Bible is insufficient for scientific data, as modern science has only come into being in the last 200 years, with nearly a millenia seperating the two
-Pope John Paul II said that Evolution is no longer a mere hypothesis, but factual
-you can reconcile the two by saying God created Evolution, though this is playing Devil's advocate
-Creationism is blatantly Christian, with Christian doctrine leanings
-science seeks to address natural phenonemon, while religion deals with the supernatural, which cannot be tested by scientific means

If that doesn't change anyone's mind, nothing will--not proof, not the lack of answers from God. You can't get any holier than the pope. If he disagrees with you, you don't deserve to be a Christian. --And if you're offended by that, you shouldn't be one anyway.
To the other religions: proof > blind belief.
(Of course that still won't change anyone's mind.)

Yep. Check this sh't out:

On October 23, 1996, Pope John Paul II said in a speech to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences:

Quote:

“[N]ew findings lead us toward the recognition of evolution as more than a hypothesis. In fact it is remarkable that this theory has had progressively greater influence on the spirit of researchers, following a series of discoveries in different scholarly disciplines. The convergence in the results of these independent studies—which was neither planned nor sought—constitutes in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory.”
“A theory is a meta-scientific elaboration, which is distinct from, but in harmony with, the results of observation. With the help of such a theory a group of data and independent facts can be related to one another and interpreted in one comprehensive explanation. The theory proves its validity by the measure to which it can be verified. It is constantly being tested against the facts; when it can no longer explain these facts, it shows its limits and its lack of usefulness, and it must be revised.”

http://atheism.about.com/od/popejohnpaulii/a/evolution.htm
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/darwin.htm
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=834_1236093832&c=1
Thar ye go.

[xyre_silverfangs]

Patella

Wilczurak

Patella

Let me just close this topic by pointing out the conclusions that everyone eventually comes to in the 8 million threads about Evolution/Creationism:
-Creationism isn't science, and never will be
-Evolution is real, with tons of evidence to back it up
-Evolution isn't a theory, it's a scientific theory, which is about as close to fact as it gets
-Humans didn't evolve from "monkeys", but a common ancestor, much like dogs are descended from wolves.
-the Bible is insufficient for scientific data, as modern science has only come into being in the last 200 years, with nearly a millenia seperating the two
-Pope John Paul II said that Evolution is no longer a mere hypothesis, but factual
-you can reconcile the two by saying God created Evolution, though this is playing Devil's advocate
-Creationism is blatantly Christian, with Christian doctrine leanings
-science seeks to address natural phenonemon, while religion deals with the supernatural, which cannot be tested by scientific means

If that doesn't change anyone's mind, nothing will--not proof, not the lack of answers from God. You can't get any holier than the pope. If he disagrees with you, you don't deserve to be a Christian. --And if you're offended by that, you shouldn't be one anyway.
To the other religions: proof > blind belief.
(Of course that still won't change anyone's mind.)

Yep. Check this sh't out:

On October 23, 1996, Pope John Paul II said in a speech to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences:

Quote:

“[N]ew findings lead us toward the recognition of evolution as more than a hypothesis. In fact it is remarkable that this theory has had progressively greater influence on the spirit of researchers, following a series of discoveries in different scholarly disciplines. The convergence in the results of these independent studies—which was neither planned nor sought—constitutes in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory.”
“A theory is a meta-scientific elaboration, which is distinct from, but in harmony with, the results of observation. With the help of such a theory a group of data and independent facts can be related to one another and interpreted in one comprehensive explanation. The theory proves its validity by the measure to which it can be verified. It is constantly being tested against the facts; when it can no longer explain these facts, it shows its limits and its lack of usefulness, and it must be revised.”

http://atheism.about.com/od/popejohnpaulii/a/evolution.htm
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/darwin.htm
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=834_1236093832&c=1
Thar ye go.

Patella, I've said it once and I'll say it again - You ROCK, girl. Seriously, you are the bee's knees! If only all of the brain washed super-naturalists could be as rationally minded as you are. I'm sure this world would be a much more peaceful, and tolerable place.

[Golden Dysprosium]

xyre_silverfangs

Patella, I've said it once and I'll say it again - You ROCK, girl. Seriously, you are the bee's knees! If only all of the brain washed super-naturalists could be as rationally minded as you are. I'm sure this world would be a much more peaceful, and tolerable place.

lol my clan could always use more members... biggrin
Thanks. I always thought that a blonde girl with an anatomical username should try her best to impress random strangers on the Internet. xd

[Hara_Chan]

Ateryu7200

Not going to bother replying, since this sums up my opinion:

Raa Raa Rasputin

I'm going to make this clear as possible:

WE DID NOT EVOLVE FROM MONKEYS, YOU ******** IDIOT.

DARWIN DID NOT SAY THIS, EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGISTS DO NOT SAY THIS.

ALSO, THE BIBLE IS RETARDED AND CONTRADICTS REALITY. ENJOY YOUR FANTASY WORLD.

I'm with them

[Doc Virulence]

Arcticfawx

Oh boy. People should really do a bit of reading, or even just thinking, before posting their ignorance for the world to see.
This isn't pokemon, we don't evolve from things. Common ancestors are shared, species diverge, traits are spread or lost, nothing evolves


Spare a click for my dragons?

Congratulations! You have just defined EVoluTion! Mutation and Natural SelectIOn! WEE!!

[Doc Virulence]

Ateryu7200

Not going to bother replying, since this sums up my opinion:

Raa Raa Rasputin

I'm going to make this clear as possible:

WE DID NOT EVOLVE FROM MONKEYS, YOU ******** IDIOT.

DARWIN DID NOT SAY THIS, EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGISTS DO NOT SAY THIS.

ALSO, THE BIBLE IS RETARDED AND CONTRADICTS REALITY. ENJOY YOUR FANTASY WORLD.

The bible doesn't contradict reality. The bible contradicts rationality. And rationality is how you understand how reality works. Very different things.

[Anima De Arcana]

I wonder how much of the contradictions are originals and how many did the Romans add in to make Jesus look less human? Yes, the Qur'an has some stuff in it that doesn't make sense but at least it tells what happened during his childhood.

[Seraphor]

Doc Virulence

Ateryu7200

Not going to bother replying, since this sums up my opinion:

Raa Raa Rasputin

I'm going to make this clear as possible:

WE DID NOT EVOLVE FROM MONKEYS, YOU ******** IDIOT.

DARWIN DID NOT SAY THIS, EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGISTS DO NOT SAY THIS.

ALSO, THE BIBLE IS RETARDED AND CONTRADICTS REALITY. ENJOY YOUR FANTASY WORLD.

The bible doesn't contradict reality. The bible contradicts rationality. And rationality is how you understand how reality works. Very different things.

The bible states the earth was created before the sun in a single day.

Is it simply my rationality that is incorrect?

[Anima De Arcana]

Seraphor

Doc Virulence

Ateryu7200

Not going to bother replying, since this sums up my opinion:

Raa Raa Rasputin

I'm going to make this clear as possible:

WE DID NOT EVOLVE FROM MONKEYS, YOU ******** IDIOT.

DARWIN DID NOT SAY THIS, EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGISTS DO NOT SAY THIS.

ALSO, THE BIBLE IS RETARDED AND CONTRADICTS REALITY. ENJOY YOUR FANTASY WORLD.

The bible doesn't contradict reality. The bible contradicts rationality. And rationality is how you understand how reality works. Very different things.

The bible states the earth was created before the sun in a single day.

Is it simply my rationality that is incorrect?

Don't forget that the sun spins around us and that stars are holes in the ether.

[DarthNerdus]

While I support the theory of evolution, I must say this:

Who is to say that evolution was not the means by which God created the creatures of the Earth? In the original translation of the new testament the word used to define what we know as the "7 days" really means "7 periods of time".

We cannot exclusive disprove God's involvement in evolution, or even our own "human" advancements.