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do you believe that we evolved from the ancestors of monkeys?

yes 0.55787037037037 55.8% [ 241 ]
no 0.35416666666667 35.4% [ 153 ]
not sure because you dont know anything at the matter of this topic 0.087962962962963 8.8% [ 38 ]
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whitewolfdemon99
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whitewolfdemon99
I do believe in god until someone proves he does not exist.
In which case, for the sake of logical consistency, you must also believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the Invisible Pink Unicorn, Russel's Teapot, the Greek Gods, Michael Jackson's ghost, etc....

In other words, you can't prove a negative.
No I believe in god not a freaking flying spaghetti monster(that sounds famaliar for some reson). Now if someone provides solid evidence that god does not exist i will believe them if someone proves that a flying spaghetti monster exist with solid evidence(not pictures, maybe like a billion clear pictures and many people sighting it(by many I mean over one million people)I might believe, but I don't that will happen).So you don't have to be a p***k about my beliefs I didn't get mad at you about you believes now did I.

So you're skeptical about everything until someone mentions God, for which suddenly all skepticism goes out the window and you'll believe anything that has to do with it without the least bit of evidence. What makes your God so special that it gets special treatment? It's one thing to believe in God, but you practically openly admit to having a double standard when it comes to matters of your faith. If you are going to be open to God with nothing but faith, there is no reason you shouldn't treat leprechauns, unicorns, Big Foot, the Loch Ness Monster, Michael Jackson's ghost, and space invaders from Mars with that same openness lack of skepticism that you give to your particular deity.
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Yes, this one just ain't right. neutral
whitewolfdemon99
I would just like to say that evolution is real because evolution is pretty much adaptions and mutations over a long period of time...But I believe he uses evolution to produce new life forms and change old ones.

whitewolfdemon99
if we share common ancesters how did we get from those ancestors to what we are today without changing.

I'm sure you'll be able to explain it to yourself.
That first part is very reminiscent of the Celestial Clockwork idea.
whitewolfdemon99
VoijaRisa
whitewolfdemon99
I do believe in god until someone proves he does not exist.
In which case, for the sake of logical consistency, you must also believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the Invisible Pink Unicorn, Russel's Teapot, the Greek Gods, Michael Jackson's ghost, etc....

In other words, you can't prove a negative.
No I believe in god not a freaking flying spaghetti monster(that sounds famaliar for some reson). Now if someone provides solid evidence that god does not exist i will believe them if someone proves that a flying spaghetti monster exist with solid evidence(not pictures, maybe like a billion clear pictures and many people sighting it(by many I mean over one million people)I might believe, but I don't that will happen).So you don't have to be a p***k about my beliefs I didn't get mad at you about you believes now did I.


the FSM is a parody of christian creationist apologetics. Basically it takes the defensive arguement concerning god and creationism and contends that the FSM did everything and then explains that he did left all the evidence for evolution just to mess with our heads. Ironically it is a more thought out arguement then creationism as it at least explains why there is so much contradictory evidence (because FSM likes to mess with our heads about it)

Your skepticism is odd, given that god is just as unlikely as FSM yet you believe in god, who has as little actual evidence. You also should realize that if you claim god exist, you need to back up the claim.

Finally a little something to disprove god.

By asserting that god exist is the default state of your beleif (you say this by refusing the burden of proof, should you so refuse it), it then becomes a matter of disproving what isn't real(proving a negative). Since that in regards to god is impossible, statistical plausibility is about all we can do. Basically at the start, thanks to your refusal to accept the burden of proof, there is a .infinite01% chance of something being statistically probable. This is to allow the possibility of it existing, and can be applied to everything you wish to use this formula for. Any evidence for it existing then raises that probability. God, by the very definition in which your using, as something beyond human observation or evidence, can have no evidence for him existence, so we are left where we started, with a .infinite01% chance of existence. Same goes for FSM, the teapot and any other thing you'd like to throw this way.

So there is a 99.infinite9% chance god doesn't exist without evidence (as any evidence would add to the % chance of existing). Not proof in itself he doesn't exist, as there is still that slim chance of the other possibility....except .infinite9% or .9 repeating actually equals one

See here for proof

Thus we come to the conclusion that by ignoring the burden of proof, you have set up god to be proven to not have any chance of existing.

Works well with everything, as only the things we know exist have evidence to look towards to validate their existence.

do keep in mind the above is more farce then anything else. mrgreen
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Ya might wanna dumb that down, there, chief. neutral
whitewolfdemon99
Arcticfawx
Oh boy. People should really do a bit of reading, or even just thinking, before posting their ignorance for the world to see.
This isn't pokemon, we don't evolve from things. Common ancestors are shared, species diverge, traits are spread or lost, nothing evolves

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Spare a click for my dragons?
if we share common ancesters how did we get from those ancestors to what we are today without changing.


I think what arcticfawx meant is that a species is not a static entity. One species does not suddenly become another species. One species is adapting to its surroundings over millions, and thousands and thousands of years. It is difficult thing to even define what species are because in Nature there sometimes are no easy ways to delineate how much difference makes one group of organisms different enough from another group to call it a different species. (If you are going by the biological sense of the word species, many bird species can interbreed, as can bear species, etc.)

So we don't evolve from other things. Things live in populations whose frequencies of alleles and traits may change depending on the environment they are living in. Some traits might be more advantageous and adaptive, making those individuals more fit.

The species itself and individuals in the populations are not changing, but the frequencies of traits are changing. When a certain trait is very adaptive, it might become so common in a population that all the individuals possess it. Remember that this is happening over a very long long time, so maybe in 50,000 years of more "evolving" the entire human population might finally be adapted to understanding these concepts.
ultimate chewbear
whitewolfdemon99
Arcticfawx
Oh boy. People should really do a bit of reading, or even just thinking, before posting their ignorance for the world to see.
This isn't pokemon, we don't evolve from things. Common ancestors are shared, species diverge, traits are spread or lost, nothing evolves

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Spare a click for my dragons?
if we share common ancesters how did we get from those ancestors to what we are today without changing.


I think what arcticfawx meant is that a species is not a static entity. One species does not suddenly become another species. One species is adapting to its surroundings over millions, and thousands and thousands of years. It is difficult thing to even define what species are because in Nature there sometimes are no easy ways to delineate how much difference makes one group of organisms different enough from another group to call it a different species. (If you are going by the biological sense of the word species, many bird species can interbreed, as can bear species, etc.)

So we don't evolve from other things. Things live in populations whose frequencies of alleles and traits may change depending on the environment they are living in. Some traits might be more advantageous and adaptive, making those individuals more fit.

The species itself and individuals in the populations are not changing, but the frequencies of traits are changing. When a certain trait is very adaptive, it might become so common in a population that all the individuals possess it. Remember that this is happening over a very long long time, so maybe in 50,000 years of more "evolving" the entire human population might finally be adapted to understanding these concepts.

The term species is just a way to communicate that one biological thing, just another term, is different from another so exactness is hard to do without using numbers.
Anima De Arcana

The term species is just a way to communicate that one biological thing, just another term, is different from another so exactness is hard to do without using numbers.


I agree, but it still gets difficult with numbers. You start having debates about how much percent difference in DNA makes a new species. I personally don't think we need to have universal agreement on how to define species (there are tons of species concepts that work), but for policy reasons sometimes choosing one is necessary.
ultimate chewbear
Anima De Arcana

The term species is just a way to communicate that one biological thing, just another term, is different from another so exactness is hard to do without using numbers.


I agree, but it still gets difficult with numbers. You start having debates about how much percent difference in DNA makes a new species. I personally don't think we need to have universal agreement on how to define species (there are tons of species concepts that work), but for policy reasons sometimes choosing one is necessary.

Yes, and the main point is just because the word doesn't make sense doesn't mean the action of natural selection and evolution is not real. It's not a matter of no evolution, but a matter of poor communication.
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You might as well have just put this:
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But I didn't. User Image
Honestly, this thread is just to make me giggle now.
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Has anyone else noticed that the new dino EIs (ex: mine) have feathers on them? neutral
No, I hadn't, but weren't many dinosaurs having feathers near the end?
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Anima De Arcana
No, I hadn't, but weren't many dinosaurs having feathers near the end?

That's what scientists are thinkin'
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(they look so cute standing there together! blaugh )

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