do u believe that we evolved from monkeys?

do you believe that we evolved from the ancestors of monkeys?

yes	55.8%	[ 241 ]
no	35.4%	[ 153 ]
not sure because you dont know anything at the matter of this topic	8.8%	[ 38 ]
Total Votes:			[ 432 ]

[Anima De Arcana]

This forum is only showing why war world three is going to occur eventually.

[vipr230]

Phooky

SOADrox429

Phooky

Yeah, makes a lot of sense that some of the monkies didn't make it. rolleyes

What are you talking about? That some of the monkeys (which is incorrect because we share a common ancestor with apes, and are, in fact, still apes) didn't evolve? It makes perfect sense.
The problem with saying that if we had come from monkeys, they wouldn't be around is that evolution doesn't just magically change an entire species. Evolution works within populations. It's called speciation.
Here's a nice, hypothetical situation that will hopefully allow you to better understand what you're talking about.
You have a population of 100 animals (usually populations are much larger, but 100 will work for this example). 99 of these we will call 'A,' and the other one is 'B,' because it has a genotype that codes for a phenotype that gives it an advantage over A. Let's say that something happens that separates this population into two different populations of 50. Population A (composed entirely of As), and population B (with B and 49 As). B will survive to reproduce more than the As in its population, and it's genetic code will be proliferated more and more, until all of the organisms share the part of its genome that gave it an advantage.
Along with all of the other changes bound to happen in population B, this will cause this population to be composed of what I will call X. The changes bound to happen in population A will lead to this population being composed of what I will call Y. X, as a result of this evolution, is much more different from A than B was, and even more so from Y.
Because of this, humans (which could be 'X'), and other apes (which we actually evolved from, and could be 'Y') both exist.

tl;dr
Explain whales.
If they evolved from mammals who lived on land, why are there no skelatons of their previous stages of evolution?

... You, idiot, what's Pakicetus then? Or Indohyus? Or Ambulocetus? Or Kutchicetus?

Quit exposing your utter ignorance.

[vipr230]

SOADrox429

Phooky

Yeah, makes a lot of sense that some of the monkies didn't make it. rolleyes

What are you talking about? That some of the monkeys (which is incorrect because we share a common ancestor with apes, and are, in fact, still apes) didn't evolve? It makes perfect sense.
The problem with saying that if we had come from monkeys, they wouldn't be around is that evolution doesn't just magically change an entire species. Evolution works within populations. It's called speciation.
Here's a nice, hypothetical situation that will hopefully allow you to better understand what you're talking about.
You have a population of 100 animals (usually populations are much larger, but 100 will work for this example). 99 of these we will call 'A,' and the other one is 'B,' because it has a genotype that codes for a phenotype that gives it an advantage over A. Let's say that something happens that separates this population into two different populations of 50. Population A (composed entirely of As), and population B (with B and 49 As). B will survive to reproduce more than the As in its population, and it's genetic code will be proliferated more and more, until all of the organisms share the part of its genome that gave it an advantage.
Along with all of the other changes bound to happen in population B, this will cause this population to be composed of what I will call X. The changes bound to happen in population A will lead to this population being composed of what I will call Y. X, as a result of this evolution, is much more different from A than B was, and even more so from Y.
Because of this, humans (which could be 'X'), and other apes (which we actually evolved from, and could be 'Y') both exist.

We did come from monkeys, we are paraphyletic to monkeys, we are still monkeys.

Think of it this way, Catarrhini came about after New World monkeys, meaning if we branched off from Catarrhini and one branch went on to be "monkeys" and a branch before it was already "monkeys" then it's only our arrogance that keeps us from admitting we are monkeys ourselves. That's because the distinction "monkey" must have been there before Catarrhini. If no member of Catarrhini is considered a monkey then we are in a different clade, but because "old world monkeys" are members of Catarrhini, we are monkeys, though classified paraphyletic to them.

[Anima De Arcana]

I wish I was a monket and not an ape. I think the tail would be useful.

[Golden Dysprosium]

Anima De Arcana

This forum is only showing why war world three is going to occur eventually.

Gaia's lack of quality?
(probably shouldn't have said that xd )

[Anima De Arcana]

Golden Dysprosium

Anima De Arcana

This forum is only showing why war world three is going to occur eventually.

Gaia's lack of quality?
(probably shouldn't have said that xd )

Nah, people.
Prepare to duck when Gaia's bought out. XP
Nice dress Goldy.

[Golden Dysprosium]

Anima De Arcana

Golden Dysprosium

Anima De Arcana

This forum is only showing why war world three is going to occur eventually.

Gaia's lack of quality?
(probably shouldn't have said that xd )

Nah, people.
Prepare to duck when Gaia's bought out. XP
Nice dress Goldy.

Thanks. It even has my name on it! Yayz!

[SOADrox429]

vipr230

We did come from monkeys, we are paraphyletic to monkeys, we are still monkeys.

Think of it this way, Catarrhini came about after New World monkeys, meaning if we branched off from Catarrhini and one branch went on to be "monkeys" and a branch before it was already "monkeys" then it's only our arrogance that keeps us from admitting we are monkeys ourselves. That's because the distinction "monkey" must have been there before Catarrhini. If no member of Catarrhini is considered a monkey then we are in a different clade, but because "old world monkeys" are members of Catarrhini, we are monkeys, though classified paraphyletic to them.

Okay, I get it, I think.
So, we came from both monkeys and apes. We came from apes, however more recently, and you have to go back further to find our common ancestor with monkeys.
Is that correct?

[Golden Dysprosium]

SOADrox429

vipr230

We did come from monkeys, we are paraphyletic to monkeys, we are still monkeys.
Think of it this way, Catarrhini came about after New World monkeys, meaning if we branched off from Catarrhini and one branch went on to be "monkeys" and a branch before it was already "monkeys" then it's only our arrogance that keeps us from admitting we are monkeys ourselves. That's because the distinction "monkey" must have been there before Catarrhini. If no member of Catarrhini is considered a monkey then we are in a different clade, but because "old world monkeys" are members of Catarrhini, we are monkeys, though classified paraphyletic to them.

Okay, I get it, I think.
So, we came from both monkeys and apes. We came from apes, however more recently, and you have to go back further to find our common ancestor with monkeys.
Is that correct?

This might help.

[Anima De Arcana]

Should we make an "infomessage" and use it to bump this forum?

[Golden Dysprosium]

Whatever floats your boat. neutral

[Anima De Arcana]

You see. . . when a monkey thing loves another monkey thing, they have a monkey thing. Everyonce in a while, a monkey thing is born a freak. Rarely, the freak monkey thing surivives better than the normal monkey things. Some monkey things love the freak monkey thing and the monkey things slowly become like the freak monkey things. This happens over and over again, then you happen.

'Ow's this?

[Golden Dysprosium]

Anima De Arcana

You see. . . when a monkey thing loves another monkey thing, they have a monkey thing. Everyonce in a while, a monkey thing is born a freak. Rarely, the freak monkey thing surivives better than the normal monkey things. Some monkey things love the freak monkey thing and the monkey things slowly become like the freak monkey things. This happens over and over again, then you happen.
'Ow's this?

Moderately offensive. neutral

[Fedal Castro]

You ******** idiot, do want to ble called monkey?? darwin was a a*****e too, WE are not from a freaking monakey! scream

[Anima De Arcana]

Golden Dysprosium

Anima De Arcana

You see. . . when a monkey thing loves another monkey thing, they have a monkey thing. Everyonce in a while, a monkey thing is born a freak. Rarely, the freak monkey thing surivives better than the normal monkey things. Some monkey things love the freak monkey thing and the monkey things slowly become like the freak monkey things. This happens over and over again, then you happen.
'Ow's this?

Moderately offensive. neutral

Then it's perfect since nature is moderately offensive at the least.