Bottom of the ocean...

[Suicidesoldier#1]

So,as of now, we are mainly using normal cameras at the bottom of the ocean.

My question is; why aren't we using thermal vision or better yet, even night vision?


Yes I realize that night vision can't work without some light but considering that light is shined out anyways and that basically the range of your vision could be extended to several times it's reach using night vision coupled with lights to amplify your range, essentially, given that it can pick up on say 1/60,000th the amount of light that a normal camera can, why aren't we doing this?

I realize that infrared radiation has a hard time getting through glass and that this would not be a viable option given all the glass, and that many animals might be missed due to the fact that they could be similar to the ambient temperatures, but nightvision seems to have no problem.


Is it just a funding and design issue or like, is there another reason?

So far I can't really think of one, other than that night vision cameras usually pick up on a little bit of infrared and therefore may need it.


I guess without the amount of light they use it might blind the night vision for a certain range but!

Given that they already have normal cameras in most subs anyways, where it might be too bright for the night vision to get a clear picture due to the light, these normal cameras could film that stuff anyways and given that night vision might not be the best quality, it could still be used to locate creatures and then get a better look at them once getting closer with normal cameras.

[Vannak]

We have two sources of light underwater. We have what we bring down, and we have the black body emissions of light down there. Now that's really really really infrared. Whats worse is that infra-red light doesn't really penetrate water very far. We can't really use it.

It turns out it's just better for us to bring our own light down and use the best cameras we have, which just so happen to be in the visible regime.

Also, we'd have to use different types of telescopes. Look at the difference between optical telescopes and radio telescopes. They just don't compare when it comes to size. Visible spectrum is better.

[Suicidesoldier#1]

Sure right, but we could use night vision to get a relative guess out to like thousands of feet and then basically be able to see a virtually colorless, but still existent image of what was going on and then get closer with normal cameras to see normal colors and whatnot.

The light source we would provide could extend the range of the night vision camera to thousands of feet, so we could at least say, locate a dead whale carcass, and then get a closer look with better cameras.

[Vannak]

Suicidesoldier#1

Sure right, but we could use night vision to get a relative guess out to like thousands of feet and then basically be able to see a virtually colorless, but still existent image of what was going on and then get closer with normal cameras to see normal colors and whatnot.

The light source we would provide could extend the range of the night vision camera to thousands of feet, so we could at least say, locate a dead whale carcass, and then get a closer look with better cameras.

I honestly don't think there's enough light for night vision, and if we use a normal lamp we'd blow it out anyways.

[Suicidesoldier#1]

Vannak

Suicidesoldier#1

Sure right, but we could use night vision to get a relative guess out to like thousands of feet and then basically be able to see a virtually colorless, but still existent image of what was going on and then get closer with normal cameras to see normal colors and whatnot.

The light source we would provide could extend the range of the night vision camera to thousands of feet, so we could at least say, locate a dead whale carcass, and then get a closer look with better cameras.

I honestly don't think there's enough light for night vision, and if we use a normal lamp we'd blow it out anyways.

Not at the bottom of the ocean, but we can provide our own light as we do now.

[Dorinkingu]

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[Suicidesoldier#1]

Dorinkingu

Perhaps you should submit your ideas to le scientists blaugh

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Sounds awesome! blaugh

[Dorinkingu]

Suicidesoldier#1

Dorinkingu

Perhaps you should submit your ideas to le scientists blaugh

blaugh

Sounds awesome! blaugh

I watched a documentary on colossal squids recently. I was disappoint >3>
Only got to see it alive in the very beginning. They didn't even try to keep it alive, they just froze it D:<
The rest was just thawing, analyzing and dissecting. I learned a lot of facts about squids though -_-

[Suicidesoldier#1]

Dorinkingu

Suicidesoldier#1

Dorinkingu

Perhaps you should submit your ideas to le scientists blaugh

blaugh

Sounds awesome! blaugh

I watched a documentary on colossal squids recently. I was disappoint >3>
Only got to see it alive in the very beginning. They didn't even try to keep it alive, they just froze it D:<
The rest was just thawing, analyzing and dissecting. I learned a lot of facts about squids though -_-

YAY! blaugh

Did you know that octopuses are almost as intelligent humans; if they didn't die at the age of 5 they might be the co-dominant species on the planet. O_o


They've crawled onto ships, undid locks, ate fish, and then jumped away.

Like seriously; how did they know how to get on the ship, how did they know how to open the lock, how did they know where the water was beneath them; just raw intelligence.

[Dieu des hommes]

As far as I'm aware, infra-red technology doesn't work well in bodies of water. Since water has a higher density than air, and therefore absorbs more infra-red radiation. I'm not too sure about night vision technology though, I'm sure it's been tested, so they must have has some troubles. I'd suggest that some form of sophisticated sonar technology would be better to get long-range vision in the depths of the sea, but I'm not really up to date on sonar technology.

[Suicidesoldier#1]

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As far as I'm aware, infra-red technology doesn't work well in bodies of water. Since water has a higher density than air, and therefore absorbs more infra-red radiation. I'm not too sure about night vision technology though, I'm sure it's been tested, so they must have has some troubles. I'd suggest that some form of sophisticated sonar technology would be better to get long-range vision in the depths of the sea, but I'm not really up to date on sonar technology.

Well it sounds great, but it usually is only able to reflect off of hard surfaces and it gets garbled pretty easily.

Theoretically we should be able to come up with a three-dimensional rendering of our environment with the proper wave lengths and frequencies on a sonar machine.


But currently all they really use at any considerable range is typical sonar which is just a ping, which might not do much.

As far as it goes I would like to see why it wouldn't work; I know why thermal wouldn't, I mean it can't even get through glass which is why thermal vision is usually so expensive (needs a different material) but unless night vision relies heavily on this (I know some do but!) it should theoretically be workable.

[Dorinkingu]

Suicidesoldier#1

Dorinkingu

Suicidesoldier#1

Dorinkingu

Perhaps you should submit your ideas to le scientists blaugh

blaugh

Sounds awesome! blaugh

I watched a documentary on colossal squids recently. I was disappoint >3>
Only got to see it alive in the very beginning. They didn't even try to keep it alive, they just froze it D:<
The rest was just thawing, analyzing and dissecting. I learned a lot of facts about squids though -_-

YAY! blaugh

Did you know that octopuses are almost as intelligent humans; if they didn't die at the age of 5 they might be the co-dominant species on the planet. O_o


They've crawled onto ships, undid locks, ate fish, and then jumped away.

Like seriously; how did they know how to get on the ship, how did they know how to open the lock, how did they know where the water was beneath them; just raw intelligence.

I wonder if they're self aware .-.
All that intelligence means little if you can't appreciate it sweatdrop

[Suicidesoldier#1]

Dorinkingu

Suicidesoldier#1

Dorinkingu

Suicidesoldier#1

Dorinkingu

Perhaps you should submit your ideas to le scientists blaugh

blaugh

Sounds awesome! blaugh

I watched a documentary on colossal squids recently. I was disappoint >3>
Only got to see it alive in the very beginning. They didn't even try to keep it alive, they just froze it D:<
The rest was just thawing, analyzing and dissecting. I learned a lot of facts about squids though -_-

YAY! blaugh

Did you know that octopuses are almost as intelligent humans; if they didn't die at the age of 5 they might be the co-dominant species on the planet. O_o


They've crawled onto ships, undid locks, ate fish, and then jumped away.

Like seriously; how did they know how to get on the ship, how did they know how to open the lock, how did they know where the water was beneath them; just raw intelligence.

I wonder if they're self aware .-.
All that intelligence means little if you can't appreciate it sweatdrop

Oh they're probably self aware.

You should see some stuff with gorillas.


I mean it's just like people.

Animals are far more intelligent and aware then we've ever given them credit for, and it can be terrifying, if not a downright shock, to suddenly realize that they are thinking beings just like us.


This is Good, but I recommend skipping a lot of stuff.

[Dorinkingu]

Suicidesoldier#1

Dorinkingu

Suicidesoldier#1

Dorinkingu

Suicidesoldier#1

Dorinkingu

Perhaps you should submit your ideas to le scientists blaugh

blaugh

Sounds awesome! blaugh

I watched a documentary on colossal squids recently. I was disappoint >3>
Only got to see it alive in the very beginning. They didn't even try to keep it alive, they just froze it D:<
The rest was just thawing, analyzing and dissecting. I learned a lot of facts about squids though -_-

YAY! blaugh

Did you know that octopuses are almost as intelligent humans; if they didn't die at the age of 5 they might be the co-dominant species on the planet. O_o


They've crawled onto ships, undid locks, ate fish, and then jumped away.

Like seriously; how did they know how to get on the ship, how did they know how to open the lock, how did they know where the water was beneath them; just raw intelligence.

I wonder if they're self aware .-.
All that intelligence means little if you can't appreciate it sweatdrop

Oh they're probably self aware.

You should see some stuff with gorillas.


I mean it's just like people.

Animals are far more intelligent and aware then we've ever given them credit for, and it can be terrifying, if not a downright shock, to suddenly realize that they are thinking beings just like us.


This is Good, but I recommend skipping a lot of stuff.

Capcha: taco tuesday
*is actually eating a burrito right now* xd

Anyways, I think self aware animals should have more rights than other animals. I mean, retarded children have rights (and they are held accountable for their actions as well~) within our society. Even a gorilla, which is one of the less intelligent great apes, still has the mental capacity of at least a retarded child XD
They even surpass normal human children in several areas of cognitive ability.
I wouldn't give them the same rights as a normal adult human has, but I would give dolphins and elephants and the other self aware, intelligent animals rights like, the right to be educated, and it being considered murder to kill them. They should also be held accountable for crimes they commit, assuming they were taught better.

I don't think gorillas and such should be set free into the cities or anything lmao
But, I really like things like the great ape trust, and etc., where they teach great apes language and treat them basically like children XD <3

I'm really excited for when they are finally able to decipher dolphin language. I know they have language, but it'll be very interesting to see how complex it is. Might not be as grammatically complex as human language per se, but I'll bet it's much more tonally complex~

*le very interested in this kind of stuff*

[Suicidesoldier#1]

Dorinkingu

Suicidesoldier#1

Dorinkingu

Suicidesoldier#1

Dorinkingu

I watched a documentary on colossal squids recently. I was disappoint >3>
Only got to see it alive in the very beginning. They didn't even try to keep it alive, they just froze it D:<
The rest was just thawing, analyzing and dissecting. I learned a lot of facts about squids though -_-

YAY! blaugh

Did you know that octopuses are almost as intelligent humans; if they didn't die at the age of 5 they might be the co-dominant species on the planet. O_o


They've crawled onto ships, undid locks, ate fish, and then jumped away.

Like seriously; how did they know how to get on the ship, how did they know how to open the lock, how did they know where the water was beneath them; just raw intelligence.

I wonder if they're self aware .-.
All that intelligence means little if you can't appreciate it sweatdrop

Oh they're probably self aware.

You should see some stuff with gorillas.


I mean it's just like people.

Animals are far more intelligent and aware then we've ever given them credit for, and it can be terrifying, if not a downright shock, to suddenly realize that they are thinking beings just like us.


This is Good, but I recommend skipping a lot of stuff.

Capcha: taco tuesday
*is actually eating a burrito right now* xd

Anyways, I think self aware animals should have more rights than other animals. I mean, retarded children have rights (and they are held accountable for their actions as well~) within our society. Even a gorilla, which is one of the less intelligent great apes, still has the mental capacity of at least a retarded child XD
They even surpass normal human children in several areas of cognitive ability.
I wouldn't give them the same rights as a normal adult human has, but I would give dolphins and elephants and the other self aware, intelligent animals rights like, the right to be educated, and it being considered murder to kill them. They should also be held accountable for crimes they commit, assuming they were taught better.

I don't think gorillas and such should be set free into the cities or anything lmao
But, I really like things like the great ape trust, and etc., where they teach great apes language and treat them basically like children XD <3

I'm really excited for when they are finally able to decipher dolphin language. I know they have language, but it'll be very interesting to see how complex it is. Might not be as grammatically complex as human language per se, but I'll bet it's much more tonally complex~

*le very interested in this kind of stuff*

Well gorillas are actually very intelligent; they have complicated language systems, live in homes, make herbs and strangely seem to have religion.


Chimpanzees are rather intelligent, having invented spears and whatnot to hunt, but they are incredibly mean. ._.

This probs slows down their ability to progress.


Gorillas are super strong and are vegetarian, so there really is no need for them to get any better, which is why you only see sparse tool usage; obviously visible, but not really anything complex like a spear.

Birds though seem to be highly intelligent as well, and not too dissimilar from ourselves; raise their young, build homes, have a complicated language system and move to warmer areas and whatnot when it's cold.


Seem to communicate this rather than innately know where to go, which is why scientists have yet to find a "mechanism" for understanding their migration patterns; they came from dinosaurs after all.

Dolphins look cool as well.


Without necessity technology tends to advance slowly for quite some time and then once technology for technologies sake takes off it expands exponentially; course we don't really see that in any other animal.