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Post: 51262311_46 created on Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:46 pmPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:46 pm
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This topic amazes me. This is a topic meant to be informative and debunk fake beliefs, yet it actually encourages them. The issues of science discussed may be correct, but the representation of Maya culture is not.
AquilisNoctis Historians argue that the Mayans were obsessed with time. But beside their normal calendar, they made a second that they named the Long Count; in a way, this was more like a time line for the Mayans that recorded the exact date of their culture's creation, up until an alleged date that their culture would never see thanks to a man by the name of Hernan Cortes and his Conquistadors that reshaped Mexico's tribal nations in the name of Spain. The Long Count though is exceptional in calling predictions, for it had the record of actually predicted things like the American Revolution, The Civil War, The World Wars, The Civil Rights Movement, etc. The thing about the Long Count though is, as a time line, it had an end, predicting that the human race would go through a time of "Great Change" before disaster would strike, ending the world as we know it. This takes place in a grand total of three days, starting on December, 21st 2012; The date that starts the 2012 Winter Solstice. The Maya long count calendar does not predict anything. It certainly does not predict "things like the American Revolution, The Civil War, The World Wars, The Civil Rights Movement, etc." That is complete nonsense. With you having posted that, I am going to have to doubt everything you said, because that is just too silly. AquilisNoctis Which actually brings me to the first part of the reason why they chose 2012 as their doomsday. But to understand this, you need to understand the myth of their creation: In the beginning the Sun god, Ah Kinchil, had two sons, a set of twins named Hunahpu and Xbalanque. The story basically goes that one day in the Sun's travels through the Heavens, the god of death, Ah Puch, captured Ah Kinchil and imprisoned him in Hell - an endless abyss that lay at the center of the fields of Heaven, that consumed even light. Hunahpu and Xbalanque though ended up saving their father from Hell, after an epic struggle that I'm not going to go into on here because it's very lengthy, and in return, Ah Kinchil granted his sons the birth of the Mayan civilization. The significance of this story though is rather the Sun's trip into the Mayan's Hell. Simply translated, the plain of Heaven to the Mayans was the field of Space, with every planet, comet, and star perfectly aligned in the sky. The Mayan Hell however was the endless abyss at the center of the galaxy that consumes even light. At first glance, the Mayan idea of Hell isn't exactly our image of Fire and Brimstone, but do you know what is actually in the center of the Milky Way galaxy? A Supermassive Black Hole lies at the heart of our galaxy giving the Milky Way it's rotational spin, and holds us in sync with it's massive gravitational pull. Scientists actually hadn't discovered it until recently, but the Mayans knew and depicted of it within their myths and legends. I am somewhat familiar with the ancient Maya culture, and I haven't heard any of this. I am hard pressed to think of a time I have heard the name Ah Kinchil, and I never heard him called the father of Hunahpu and Xbalanque. The Popol Vuh makes it clear those twins are children of Hun Hunahpu and Xquic (with their conception having taken place well after Hun Hunahpu's demise). The two twins had nothing to do with any actual creation, though they are important characters in Maya mythology. I am not extremely well versed in Maya mythology, but none of this sounds like anything I have heard. Perhaps I simply do not know enough about the subject, but I do not believe anything said here. Given the other silliness posted, I am going to need some serious sources before I believe a word of this. In any event, I do know for certain the Maya had no idea what a black hole was, and they did not know or depict it in their myths and legends. AquilisNoctis Even though the Mayans were farther ahead of us in the time line, and their depth perception of time was much more advanced, they still had a problem with the idea of 2012. They added their religious perspective to a Solar/Galactic Center Alignment and saw it as the end of all things. But Astrology + Astronomy STILL EQUALS Myth! And if that isn't enough to prove that nothing will happen in December of 2012, the fact that their Doomsday is placed on a religious holiday should be enough proof. To me, because they used their own beliefs to mark the end of time seems rather far'fetched. The Solar Alignment technically happens within the full year of 2012, not just in December, and they chose the Solstice because it was such an important religious time period. In fact the chances of something happening on the other 355 days of the year have the same chance as that of the Solstice: Slim to None. Personally, I think the Mayans were incredibly smart, but because of choosing the Solstice as Doomsday, I really think that December 21st, 2012 will be no more then just another day under the sun. If anything, I think that the Long Count will just repeat itself, and start a new cycle as man kind continues on. There is nothing in the Maya belief system which indicates the end of the 13th b'ak'tun was viewed as a "doomsday." That belief came about in the sixties, and it is baseless. The Maya Long Count calendar stretches millions of years after 2012 (millions is actually a massive understatement), and there is absolutely nothing to indicate 2012 will be the end of the world. Reaching the end of a b'ak'tun cycle was a major thing in Maya culture, and it would certainly have been considered an important holiday. That's about it. I didn't read any of the posts about science in this topic, and I have no intention of doing so. This 2012 nonsense comes from nothing but a misinterpretation of Maya beliefs, and there is really nothing more to say about it. I am still amazed at the absurdity of this topic. |
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