Dandrogyny
black_wing_angel
You're 22. I'm 26. You're a kid, compared to me.
That's only a 4 year difference. Seriously now. neutral Still really shitty debate etiquette.
I'm 64 and you're 60! You're a kid compared to meeeee.
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It's juvenile and poor debate etiquette. Second, you're only validating that "one group" assertion by dismissing it like I said was typical of Xtians. Prove me wrong.
Problem is, it's NOT typical of ANY major group. The few do not represent the many. Muslim extremists do not represent Islam. The WBC do not represent Christianity. Rebecca Black does not represent modern music. Hitler does not represent Germany. Bush does not represent Texas. Al Sharpton does not represent black people.
Except you're wrong. it is not this tiny minority. It is a noticeably large group of the American Xtian demographic.
Very true. Unfortunate, but true.
The problem is....it's not just us. Atheists act this way, as well. Pretty much every group has a few of these types.
Hell, look at Twilight. It's a goddamn book series turned movie franchise. Nothing to be worshipped as some golden god among fiction writing. Yet there are accounts of people threatening to attack people for simply expressing a negative opinion of the franchise. And not all alleged victims were "bashing" it, directly. Some had even just said "It's just not my thing".
Christians are not the only people with these kinds of zealots.
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You don't get to count all 2.1 billion Christians when it's clear that this is an American social phenomenon.
Hey! Now you're getting it. *thumbs up*
It's not a "Christian" phenomenon. It's a much more broad spectrum of people. More attributable to "Americans", than "Christians". But even
that is somewhat dishonest.
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You don't get the count the entire American Christian population since they're not all members of the same sect or social movement. They don't even all have the same social agenda. So when you swear that "Christians are a diverse group," you then cannot use your numbers to your advantage. Your loss.
When have I tried to use "my numbers" to my "advantage"?
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Further, unlike the tiny extremist groups that usually name themselves in these other religions, this particular social phenomenon is not an "organized group" like WBC or the KKK. They are a bunch of "individuals"all doing the same crazy s**t and it's "trending" on the internet due to the sheer number of morons there are out there.
Yes. Morons are bountiful. In all groups. What of it?
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You cannot equate this to the "groups" and individuals you are comparing it to, because unlike ALL of your examples, no one is "leading" these people, other than their Churches. Their "leader" IS the Church.
No, it's honestly not that simple. People don't always need an identifiable "leader", to follow a behavioral trend. Ever set up dominoes, and knock them over? Does that one first one knock every single other domino down, personally? Or does it only knock the one, which knocks over the next...on and on? Such behavior doesn't require an active "leader", by default. There is such a thing as "crowd following". Someone does something, so the next person does it, too. And then someone sees
them, and follows suit.
If these people are in fact "individuals", then their actions are only upon themselves. Not "the Church" (which church?).
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And the biggest problem I have with "discussing" it, is that you're picking one single act, out of many. And acting like it only happens because of this one group.
No, I am NOT acting like this is "unique" to Xtians. What makes it "unique" is no one really challenges it and Xtians constantly deny it.
Deny
what, exactly?
What are "we" supposed to do? What of this activity, is "our" collective problem?
If a group of transgendered individuals suddenly get the wild hair up their asses to go on a shooting rampage in a local mall, is that on
your shoulders?
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The fact is, all kinds of people pull this kind of s**t, everyday. Hell, there are entire NEWSPAPERS dedicated to exactly this kind of behavior. Ever heard of the Globe? National Enquirer? They sell newspapers full of this kind of gossip. The difference being that the targets are celebrities. I even saw one yesterday on the news-rack, criticizing celebrities for having skin conditions that everyone gets. God forbid Miley Cyrus gets a pimple...
Just because other groups do it does not mean it's worth ignoring and dismissing Xtians.
It does mean, however, that it's not worth targeting us, specifically.
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That is their constant social privilege. We call everyone else out on it, don't we?
Do you? I've only ever seen you ripping on Christians, since I first noticed you, around here.
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A hell of a lot more than Xtians.
Somehow, I'm not convinced of that.
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And if you call them out once they start whining about how we should attack others instead.
If 20 students decide to cheat on a test, and all 20 are caught in the act, is it fair to specifically point out one of the 20 to be punished, and essentially ignore the remaining 19? Or should you punish them all, equally?
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Furthermore, those publications are outrageous comparisons. This is not "gossip". We have PROOF.
Aaaaaaaaaand the point zooms over your head like a missile.
These publications publicly spread malicious information (most of which is probably not even true), about specific people.
The only difference, is that people actually
RECOGNIZE these people. This Jessica chick....who the ******** is she?
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So why pick this one example? As if you're just trying to say "This just proves that Christians are scum!" Which is dishonest. It proves nothing about any group at large. Especially since the behavior is not exclusive to that one group. Atheists do it. Buddhists probably do it. Jews most likely do it.
I already said in the OP that I was not making this thread to attack all Xtians, yet you are quick to get butthurt.
I'm not "butthurt". I'm just raising a point about your recently admitted crusade against the followers of Christ.
Admittedly, I skimmed the OP. I believe I missed that little note. If it's honestly there. I re-read the post and still never saw that little disclaimer.
However, it changes nothing. It's still akin to saying "I'm not trying to pick on fat people, but seriously...shouldn't there be some sort of law against letting yourself get over 20 lbs overweight?"
You can "say" that you don't mean to offend, but that doesn't mean you won't. And believe me, offensive behavior is something I'm well versed in.
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Can you discuss a subject without victimizing yourself?
Can you discuss a subject without crusading against Christianity? This is only the second thread I've seen you in. Admittedly, I haven't been
looking for you, so maybe I am mistaken. If so, then I do apologize for that. However, my points still stand.
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If someone criticizes the trans community, I don't go, "I'M NOT LIKE THAT!! WE'RE NOT ALL LIKE THAT!"
It's your decision to allow ignorance to prevail. I choose to attempt to correct what I hope are only misguided, but well-meaning minds.
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I usually look at the COMMUNITY as a WHOLE and ask myself if the community does those things-- AS A WHOLE. Me being an "exception" doesn't change what the people around me do, nor does it change the social movement that the vast majority of trans people are a part of. The same goes for Xtians. Being an "exception" doesn't change anything.
Except that we're not rare exceptions. It only appears as such, because many of us do not draw attention to ourselves. You only see the "bad ones", because they're the only ones speaking loudly for all to hear. That doesn't make them a "majority", no matter how abundant they may seem.
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They do not subject themselves to criticism or introspection.
And you would know that how?
See above.
So...you don't. Good. Now we're getting somewhere.
No. Shitty debate etiquette again.
Shitty argument warrants a shitty retort.
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The fact that you and many other Xtians so quickly just deny s**t like this
What have I "denied"?
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proves you are incapable of introspecting and questioning your social movement.
No, it doesn't. "Evidences", I'll grant you. But that's not the same thing. You do good to remember that.
Also, what have I "denied"? And the only one here who is against introspection, is you.
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You are just quick to dismiss it and defend yourselves.
Everyone is entitled to self-defense. Are Christians somehow not?
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You're proving that in this thread. You call yourself an "exception" yet you are proving the rule.
Actually, I'm proving that you don't know s**t, and are making yourself look like a complete ignorant bigot, in league with the common racist and sexist, respectively.