Why is saying n****r STILL considered offensive?

[Orphan_Shadow]

eikocarol212

EmotionallyInconsistent

lumnata

dotanuki

lumnata

black_wing_angel

Finally, someone who understands.

"Privilege" is not about simply being "white". It's a matter of majority rule. In higher black population areas, there is no "white privilege", there is instead "black privilege".

In short, there is no such thing as "white privilege". It's MAJORITY privilege. What that majority trait is, is completely up to the area.

If you had an area with a high percent of green eyed people, then blue eyed people would be subjected to discrimination.

So, again, as I've said before, location, location, ******** Privilege"... excellent term!

.....especially considering the majority population of the US is "white". Does he stop killing his own argument at some point, or does he just come here in place of cutting himself and listening to Linkin Park in the darkness to "kill the never ending suffering that is life"?

In places where blacks are the majority, or even just a large percent, THEY have the privilege. It's not based on skin color; it just so happens that whites are currently the majority in most places in the US. Where this is not the case, they do not have the privilege. (This goes for black areas, Hispanic areas, Asian areas, etc.)

What do you define privilege as then? I ask because even in my predominantly Black high school, White students were more encouraged and favored.

That and it's merely a case of population, I still think Black people shouldn't have to pop out babies just for equality or privilege. neutral

Girl, please. You know we aren't allowed to pop out babies without being told that we're contributing to the degeneration of society....

Oh that's right... I forgot. We're supposed to abort them to stop crimes rates. neutral

[eikocarol212]

EmotionallyInconsistent

eikocarol212

EmotionallyInconsistent

lumnata

dotanuki

.....especially considering the majority population of the US is "white". Does he stop killing his own argument at some point, or does he just come here in place of cutting himself and listening to Linkin Park in the darkness to "kill the never ending suffering that is life"?

In places where blacks are the majority, or even just a large percent, THEY have the privilege. It's not based on skin color; it just so happens that whites are currently the majority in most places in the US. Where this is not the case, they do not have the privilege. (This goes for black areas, Hispanic areas, Asian areas, etc.)

What do you define privilege as then? I ask because even in my predominantly Black high school, White students were more encouraged and favored.

That and it's merely a case of population, I still think Black people shouldn't have to pop out babies just for equality or privilege. neutral

Girl, please. You know we aren't allowed to pop out babies without being told that we're contributing to the degeneration of society....

Oh that's right... I forgot. We're supposed to abort them to stop crimes rates. neutral

But WAIT!!! We can't do that!!! We're an ENDANGERED SPECIES!!!! So the only thing we can do is just pop them out and be blamed for all that's wrong with teh black community.

[Chitsa Black]

Ringoringa

Eh, a word is just a series of vibrations. People need to get over it. Nobody throws such a big fit over being called a "f*****t."

Tell that to Matthew Sheppard's family and the families of all the other people who have been murdered for being 'faggots'. I know a number of homosexuals who are ready to rip a person's head off if they call them that. You =/= all homosexuals.

Ringoringa

Don't "gays never had the same problems black people did" me, either. We've been hated almost from the beginning by people of almost all races, because we were "deviants," it was often punishable by death or torture (even NOW in some countries), face being disowned by our parents in extreme cases, and are still loathed by a decent chunk of the population. Black people still suffer, but haven't been outright enslaved for generations.

See above.

Ringoringa

Overall, getting all upset whenever someone calls you a name isn't going to solve anything. As long as you aren't being beaten or repeatedly harassed, it's not that big of a deal. If people call me "f*****t," all it proves is that I have a better vocabulary than they do, seeing as it's probably one of the least creative insults of the century.

Again, see above.

[Orphan_Shadow]

eikocarol212

EmotionallyInconsistent

eikocarol212

EmotionallyInconsistent

lumnata

dotanuki

.....especially considering the majority population of the US is "white". Does he stop killing his own argument at some point, or does he just come here in place of cutting himself and listening to Linkin Park in the darkness to "kill the never ending suffering that is life"?

In places where blacks are the majority, or even just a large percent, THEY have the privilege. It's not based on skin color; it just so happens that whites are currently the majority in most places in the US. Where this is not the case, they do not have the privilege. (This goes for black areas, Hispanic areas, Asian areas, etc.)

What do you define privilege as then? I ask because even in my predominantly Black high school, White students were more encouraged and favored.

That and it's merely a case of population, I still think Black people shouldn't have to pop out babies just for equality or privilege. neutral

Girl, please. You know we aren't allowed to pop out babies without being told that we're contributing to the degeneration of society....

Oh that's right... I forgot. We're supposed to abort them to stop crimes rates. neutral

But WAIT!!! We can't do that!!! We're an ENDANGERED SPECIES!!!! So the only thing we can do is just pop them out and be blamed for all that's wrong with teh black community.

It's driving me mad the way they pull us in so many direction! Oh wait I can't be going mad because Blacks don't experience mental illness! neutral

[eikocarol212]

EmotionallyInconsistent

eikocarol212

EmotionallyInconsistent

eikocarol212

EmotionallyInconsistent

What do you define privilege as then? I ask because even in my predominantly Black high school, White students were more encouraged and favored.

That and it's merely a case of population, I still think Black people shouldn't have to pop out babies just for equality or privilege. neutral

Girl, please. You know we aren't allowed to pop out babies without being told that we're contributing to the degeneration of society....

Oh that's right... I forgot. We're supposed to abort them to stop crimes rates. neutral

But WAIT!!! We can't do that!!! We're an ENDANGERED SPECIES!!!! So the only thing we can do is just pop them out and be blamed for all that's wrong with teh black community.

It's driving me mad the way they pull us in so many direction! Oh wait I can't be going mad because Blacks don't experience mental illness! neutral

Girl, what you talking about??? Of COURSE WE DO!!! It's the reason why we're so paranoid and uppity about all this non-existent "white privilege," girl. If we weren't so damn mental, we'd see that white folks have have always been good to us!!!!

[DS14]

Chitsa Black

DS14

I don't think people are still mad about slavery as much as they are mad about the after effects of it. There are plenty of lazy good for nothing black people but there are also plenty of black people who because their grandparents were "niggers" that couldn't get jobs and had kids who couldn't get a good education that don't know any better than their current circumstances. That is what people are offended by when a non-black or black person says n****r, n***a, nigguh, etc.

Way. To. Stereotype. There are just as many lazy, good for nothing whites, but I don't see you bad mouthing them or stereotyping all whites that way.

You don't see me bad-mouthing them or stereotyping them because they are not the topic of conversation.

I made two categories for black people(African American only) because there are circumstances that only pertain to them. Slavery doesn't really affect them as much today as the following Jim Crow laws did. It kept people from getting jobs and/or getting educated even if they wanted to and their children and grandchildren suffer from it today. That is unfair and black people that have had opportunities to be successful and didn't take them for whatever reason should not consider themselves in the same category as those that wouldn't even know an opportunity if it hit them because their entire family has been poor and uneducated.

Are these the only kinds of African Americans? No. Are these two types of lazy African Americans and descriptions of why they behave as such? Yes.

[Orphan_Shadow]

eikocarol212

EmotionallyInconsistent

eikocarol212

EmotionallyInconsistent

eikocarol212

EmotionallyInconsistent

What do you define privilege as then? I ask because even in my predominantly Black high school, White students were more encouraged and favored.

That and it's merely a case of population, I still think Black people shouldn't have to pop out babies just for equality or privilege. neutral

Girl, please. You know we aren't allowed to pop out babies without being told that we're contributing to the degeneration of society....

Oh that's right... I forgot. We're supposed to abort them to stop crimes rates. neutral

But WAIT!!! We can't do that!!! We're an ENDANGERED SPECIES!!!! So the only thing we can do is just pop them out and be blamed for all that's wrong with teh black community.

It's driving me mad the way they pull us in so many direction! Oh wait I can't be going mad because Blacks don't experience mental illness! neutral

Girl, what you talking about??? Of COURSE WE DO!!! It's the reason why we're so paranoid and uppity about all this non-existent "white privilege," girl. If we weren't so damn mental, we'd see that white folks have have always been good to us!!!!

True true... because if we weren't having paranoid uppity delusions of racism, they would feel so much better instead of feeling guilty for it! neutral

[Chitsa Black]

black_wing_angel

_Morgane Fay_

black_wing_angel

eikocarol212

_Morgane Fay_

Oh, you. Being so sensitive again. Can't you just get over it like white people have?

Oh I know right. I'm totally being the uppity negro because I don't wanna be called a racial slur. *goes to look for her race card to throw at white folks*

Hey, if you don't want to be called a slur, that's fine. It's no different than not wanting to be called a b***h, or hell, even not wanting to be called by your real name. I can respect that. I myself have been known to shoot evil glares at people, for using my full first name. I just hate being called by it. It's too "formal".

However, my problem lies in people acting like that word is something "forbidden". It's no different than me being called a ginger, or a "Short-s**t". Actually, it's no different than any other term used to describe a given characteristic. Except that it has more "history" (get over it, people. You weren't even alive, back then), and people try to protect that "forbidden" status, for some stupid a** reason.

Even "b***h" has lost its flair. And "c**t" is starting to.

Actually, fire crotch, it's quite different.

xd fire crotch! My favorite!

Yes, we are firey, in the crotch! wink


That aside, how is it different? It's still an insult toward a characteristic, and nothing more, on either side.

Oh, wait. That's right, I forgot. Your kind were once slaves. Just like everyone else, at some point in time.

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And as to the "history is in the past"/"get over it" meme; racist attitudes died the very second that Rosa Parks was born, amirite?

Nope. I never claimed that.

Try again, cornrows.

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Racism is totally dead, amirite?

Never claimed that, either.

But it is on life support.

People get stigmatized, for being racist. That's why they try to "sneak" it. And the ones that come right out and say it, are laughed at.

"Institutionalized racism" is about the only thing you have left, to worry about. And even that's dying.

And it's not like there aren't black supremicists, and segregation against white people. Maybe not to the same extent as there once was, against blacks, but it's still there. And isn't ALL racism bad, regardless of who's had it "worse"?

That's one thing I've always found funny. I can bring up things that whites are racially oppressed over, but "that's not as bad as what we went through!" like its a ******** contest, or something...

Who cares who has it worse? The fact that ANYONE has it "bad" in the first place, is unnacceptable.

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You even have black friends, amirite?

Black, white, red, yellow, gay, straight, religious, atheist, agnostic. You name it.

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I mean s**t people, I know that and I'm not even a yank. Get over your privilege already.

I'll get over my "priviledge", when you get over your victim complex.

That's a fair deal.

*dies aughing at the ignorance your post is riddled with considering the fact Morgane is WHITE not black and has pointed out that fact more than once in regards to knowing that, as a white person, she has the 'majority privilege' that the US is riddled with by the very nature of her skin color*

[lumnata]

vodka is not your friend

You show me stats on assault.
And no, my post was not addressing yours.

You are the one making the claim that blacks are assaulted so much.

[Kaosgirl]

black_wing_angel

EmotionallyInconsistent

Why do people want to say it in the first place? How would you use it? ninja

black_wing_angel

Yeah, I'll happy take being a rude a*****e, with the ability to think and speak for myself, than to be a snooty "polite" person, like yourself.

It's entirely possible to think for yourself and be polite just as it's possible to be a rude a*****e that can't think for yourself. neutral

Didn't say it isn't.

You implied it with the dichotomy you set up above. And if you can't see that, then you've got no place claiming any ability to think whatsoever.

black_wing_angel

But he's trying to chastise me for being "rude", when I bet money he can't even tell me WHY it's "rude".

Only that it's the way he was brought up. Some time ago, some fool decided that it's "rude" to say "********", and people fell in line, and the reasoning was lost in time, but people still adhere to it, without ever knowing, or even questioning, why.

That's what I meant by him being unable to think for himself. The fact that he doesn't think to question what's wrong with the words I use, he just knows that he was taught that something is.

If you're going to pretend to be any better, give us a demonstration. Tell me why "fool" is an apt word for the guy who decided "********" was a rude word.

[eikocarol212]

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lumnata

vodka is not your friend

Well the fact white people are assulted less on the whole means they are discriminated against LESS so its LESS of an issue. Its unfair treatment of black people than white people and this is just because white people are seen, in some regards as 'better' than black people. That IS the issue. This IS white priviledge - white people are seen as 'better' = less assults against them. This is proof.

Assult is going to happen regardless, surely the quantity of it depending on skin colour shows the way attitudes are distributed. Of course you're not ever exclusively safe from assult based on a white skin colour, but does this render white priviledge worthless? no. It still exists. Its a belief that white people are better than black people therefore get treated better. Just because some aspects of your life are 's**t' and you think your life ******** sucks doesn't mean the same attitude doesn't apply to you. Its existed for years and years and is an innate part of society, it applies to you, if your life is s**t it must be due to other reasons rather than the 'false promise' which you seem to be overemphasising. White priviledge exists to a certain degree but don't base your life on it. Other factors contribute, black people can live better, they can work harder, they can work for longer periods, they may have been lucky and you may have been unlucky. The white priviledge still remains but just because it exists doesn't mean you're going to get an amazing life. Just because you're applying what applies to YOU to disregard the whole theory is absurt, surely you have to observe the rest of the country in order to form your opinion?
It isn't a guarentee, its a way of thinking either unconciously or conciously that has been around for years. It doesn't GUARENTEE anything.


And you're saying black people are discriminated against the same amount as white people?
That white people aren't racist really to black people in the proportion they get it returned? That's ridiculous.

Area is dependant, but overall white priviledge occurs. Maybe the fact that you're in a highly integrated area means everyone is more likely to accept the same oppertunities because there are SO MANY people you cannot afford to discriminate, or maybe employers are from different ethnic backgrounds than WHITE so the white priviledge doesn't come into play. They aren't going to show preference towards a white person over a black person if they're black themselves.

I never said racism exists EVERYWHERE but there's a large majority of people who are still racist and there is a lot of negative feeling towards people of difference races throughout the whole country. And while this issue is consistently alive, the idea of white priviledge also still exists along side it. So, as i said, just becuase YOU feel it doesn't benefit you doesn't mean it doesn't exist and i'm sure there are some people in your area who feel similarly. If you were to move out of your area you would benefit from it more so, therefore it does exist.

Proof that black people are proportionately assaulted due to race by white people. Because I'm pretty sure I recall some statistics that say whites proportionately have more "hate crimes" done to them based on race than black people do. Show me some stats on assault please.

Data on racially motivated crime.

[Chitsa Black]

Stygian Soleil

Chitsa Black

Only because you're an ignorant bigot.

I agree with her. Why are she and I ignorant bigots?

Because only someone who is ignorant of their white privilege and a bigot would think a racial slur is acceptable and someone being offended by said racial slur, which is used to this day to demoralize, demonize, dehumanize, and debase an entire race, is 'ludicrous'.

[Chitsa Black]

black_wing_angel

Chitsa Black

Tea Age Sea

Tea Leaf Dancer

What kind of enjoyable human being says those things??

Oh I am plenty enjoyable. I just happen to also say n****r every once in a while, and I feel that someone becoming offended at that fact is ludicrous.

Only because you're an ignorant bigot.

It's ignorant to realize that there's really nothing to a word, but syllabalized vocalizations, and a thought applied to it?

A thought, which may be one of MANY possible thoughts, for the given word, at that.

The word "Jump", for example, can have multiple thoughts behind it.

"I jumped on the trampoline" (lifted oneself off of the ground, until gravity brought them back down)

"I jumped, when I heard a loud noise" (responded with shock)

"I jumped at the chance to be on my favorite show!" (accepted eagerly)

"I jumped all the flu epidemics" (avoided).

I think you see my point, by now.

Since when was 'jump' a racial slur that is used to this day to dehumanize, demoralize, demonize, and debase an entire race?

Also, considering the fact you've stuck your fingers in your ears and gone "La la la la I can't hear you" in regards to your white privilege, I'm not surprised that you didn't grasp the concept.

[lumnata]

eikocarol212

lumnata

dotanuki

lumnata

black_wing_angel

Finally, someone who understands.

"Privilege" is not about simply being "white". It's a matter of majority rule. In higher black population areas, there is no "white privilege", there is instead "black privilege".

In short, there is no such thing as "white privilege". It's MAJORITY privilege. What that majority trait is, is completely up to the area.

If you had an area with a high percent of green eyed people, then blue eyed people would be subjected to discrimination.

So, again, as I've said before, location, location, ******** Privilege"... excellent term!

.....especially considering the majority population of the US is "white". Does he stop killing his own argument at some point, or does he just come here in place of cutting himself and listening to Linkin Park in the darkness to "kill the never ending suffering that is life"?

In places where blacks are the majority, or even just a large percent, THEY have the privilege. It's not based on skin color; it just so happens that whites are currently the majority in most places in the US. Where this is not the case, they do not have the privilege. (This goes for black areas, Hispanic areas, Asian areas, etc.)

So in other word, white people who are in areas where not the majority are pulled over by the cops more often for arbitrary reasons, are arrested for having illegal drugs more often, are followed around in stores more often and are stereotyped by teachers as inferior?? Do we see stereotype threat prevalence in these whites? I'd like to see statistical data to back this up please.

Hell yes- if I'm a white girl riding around in a black neighborhood, looking like I don't belong, any cop who sees me is going to wonder what I'm doing there. Even more so if I decided to walk in the neighborhood. Chances are high I will get pulled over. No, there aren't stats on this. Wanna know why? Because most of the research done on race is skewed to make whites look so much more racist than blacks. They'll study how whites act in a situation, see discrimination, and BAM whites are so much more racist than blacks. Oh yeah? Where's the research showing how blacks act for comparison?

"Suspects arrested by DEA agents were predominantly white (68%)" -US DOJ

Again, if I'm in a predominantly-non-white community, yes I will be watched more carefully than those who fit in. Yes, whites will face discrimination against black teachers, etc.

[Vixianna]

Sciamancer

7Rafe7

Sciamancer

7Rafe7

youre really ignorant to whats been going on around you. I'd like to throw you into a room full of people who are racist against you and disagree with your beliefs, you would be torn apart in there. And speaking of violence, why dont you go into some brothers house at a party when hes chillin with his mates and call him a n****r see if you dont die the same night.

Right, because obviously it's HIS fault that someone ELSE kills him for exercising his Freedom of Speech.

hey you can say whatever you want but that doesnt mean there wont be consequences

Actually, that's sort of the definition of Free Speech. Say whaterver you want without consequences(from the government). That person who killed the free-speaker is in the wrong: They are a murderer.

******** fixed. You can say whatever you like, and the government can't censor not punish you for it, but individuals aren't the government, and in the real world there are consequences to all actions. It just so happens saying unsavory things doesn't carry LEGAL sanctions.