Why is saying n****r STILL considered offensive?

[Kiumaru]

themanoverthere

You took out some of the context. But I don't care that much.

No the word n****r as been around for a long long long long long time. Its not the Spanish word for black or any of that s**t. It as and always should mean ignorant.

I seriously don't understand why you think its etymological meaning is "ignorant". It evolved from the use of "negro".

[themanoverthere]

Kiumaru

themanoverthere

You took out some of the context. But I don't care that much.

No the word n****r as been around for a long long long long long time. Its not the Spanish word for black or any of that s**t. It as and always should mean ignorant.

I seriously don't understand why you think its etymological meaning is "ignorant". It evolved from the use of "negro".

We had this talk and you said it yourself they changed the definition.

[themanoverthere]

AtinquesRoadShow

themanoverthere

AtinquesRoadShow

themanoverthere

AtinquesRoadShow

I quoted you word for word, there wasn't any twisting done. And I'll need a source on the part where you claim that "It was used for anyone that was seen as ignorant." Because the sources I've read acknowledge it as being an ethnic slur.

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Why ???????? it was used to name a grope that was by every stander ignorant. And i know it was due to the way people seen them back then. but the word is not bad. Just the people that use it for bad.

That's word for word.

Look at when the post on Google where made I know that what you are looking at. they have changed the definition in the past few years to drive home the politically correctness every one is in to now.

The original word that garners so much heat was originally used to refer to African-Americans.

Btw, you still didn't show how I twisted your words. I quoted what you said.

You took out some of the context. But I don't care that much.

No the word n****r as been around for a long long long long long time. Its not the Spanish word for black or any of that s**t. It as and always should mean ignorant.

The context of what you said that I posted still remained in tact despite the fact that I left a sentence or two out of the quoted portion. So no, I did not twist your words, nor did I take what you said out of context.

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THE N-WORD SEEMS to have had a negative connotation from its birth, although the exact meaning has changed over time. The N-word comes from the Portuguese word "Negro." In The Name "Negro," Its Origins and Evil Use, Richard B. Moore wrote, "[T]he first use of the word 'negro' as a noun or name in relation to African people is to be traced back to the period after 1441, when the Portuguese explorers went down the African coast. ... [A]s soon as the area south of the Senegal River has been reached, where the modern slave trade was begun by the Portuguese, the designation of the native Africans is changed from Moors or Azenegues to 'negros.' "

By the 17th century, the use of the term "negro" as synonymous with "slave" was common in the British colonies in America, and remained that way through the end of the Civil War. In the same year that the American Revolution began, William Dunbar wrote of his Baton Rouge plantation that "[t]he Plantation Negroes are in Number 14. ... There are also 23 New Negroes for sale." And notices were posted in July 1769 in Charleston, S.C.: "To Be Sold, on Thursday the third Day of August a Cargo of Ninety-Four Prime, Healthy Negroes."

"n****r" is almost certainly a phonetic spelling of the white Southern pronunciation of "Negro," and probably came into written use at a time when white America's spelling rules were about as lax as those of the hip-hop nation today.

http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/04.09.98/cover/n****r-9814.html

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n****r is a noun in the English language, most notable for its usage in a pejorative context to refer to black people (generally people of Sub-Saharan African descent), and also as an informal slang term, among other contexts. It is a common ethnic slur. The word originated as a term used in a neutral context to refer to black people, as a variation of the Spanish/Portuguese noun negro, a descendant of the Latin adjective niger, meaning the color "black".[1][2][3][4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/n****r

Please supply your source(s).

If you think n****r means black you're raciest.

[adorna bones]

I stopped reading taking you and this thread seriously after reading "Obama is in the office". Just because a black man is the president of the United States doesn't mean that racism suddenly becomes a thing of the past. If anything, race relations in America have gotten worse. If you can't see that, then I don't know what to ******** tell you.

[Kiumaru]

themanoverthere

Kiumaru

themanoverthere

You took out some of the context. But I don't care that much.

No the word n****r as been around for a long long long long long time. Its not the Spanish word for black or any of that s**t. It as and always should mean ignorant.

I seriously don't understand why you think its etymological meaning is "ignorant". It evolved from the use of "negro".

We had this talk and you said it yourself they changed the definition.

I said that the source that you used seem to have a definition that was no longer there. So there is no way that I could know, for instance, that Merriam-Webster ever had the definition your source purported.

My source [The Online Etymology Dictionary] states that n****r actually evolved from the term "negro" which had been used to refer to the colour of their skin.

[Kiumaru]

themanoverthere

If you think n****r means black you're raciest.

Online Etymology Dictionary

n****r
1786, earlier neger (1568, Scottish and northern England dialect), from Fr. nègre, from Sp. negro (see Negro). From the earliest usage it was "the term that carries with it all the obloquy and contempt and rejection which whites have inflicted on blacks" [cited in Gowers, 1965, probably Harold R. Isaacs]. But as black inferiority was at one time a near universal assumption in English-speaking lands, the word in some cases could be used without deliberate insult. More sympathetic writers late 18c. and early 19c. seem to have used black (n.) and, after the American Civil War, colored person.

[themanoverthere]

Kiumaru

themanoverthere

Kiumaru

themanoverthere

You took out some of the context. But I don't care that much.

No the word n****r as been around for a long long long long long time. Its not the Spanish word for black or any of that s**t. It as and always should mean ignorant.

I seriously don't understand why you think its etymological meaning is "ignorant". It evolved from the use of "negro".

We had this talk and you said it yourself they changed the definition.

I said that the source that you used seem to have a definition that was no longer there. So there is no way that I could know, for instance, that Merriam-Webster ever had the definition your source purported.

My source [The Online Etymology Dictionary] states that n****r actually evolved from the term "negro" which had been used to refer to the colour of their skin.

and they change that s**t all the time. ******** we change what we think happened in history all the time. Would a word be diff??

[Kiumaru]

themanoverthere

Kiumaru

themanoverthere

Kiumaru

themanoverthere

You took out some of the context. But I don't care that much.

No the word n****r as been around for a long long long long long time. Its not the Spanish word for black or any of that s**t. It as and always should mean ignorant.

I seriously don't understand why you think its etymological meaning is "ignorant". It evolved from the use of "negro".

We had this talk and you said it yourself they changed the definition.

I said that the source that you used seem to have a definition that was no longer there. So there is no way that I could know, for instance, that Merriam-Webster ever had the definition your source purported.

My source [The Online Etymology Dictionary] states that n****r actually evolved from the term "negro" which had been used to refer to the colour of their skin.

and they change that s**t all the time. ******** we change what we think happened in history all the time. Would a word be diff??

Even so, I do not see how you can deny that the word "n****r" was used (almost exclusively) in a negative way when referring to people of African descent.

[themanoverthere]

Kiumaru

themanoverthere

Kiumaru

themanoverthere

Kiumaru

themanoverthere

You took out some of the context. But I don't care that much.

No the word n****r as been around for a long long long long long time. Its not the Spanish word for black or any of that s**t. It as and always should mean ignorant.

I seriously don't understand why you think its etymological meaning is "ignorant". It evolved from the use of "negro".

We had this talk and you said it yourself they changed the definition.

I said that the source that you used seem to have a definition that was no longer there. So there is no way that I could know, for instance, that Merriam-Webster ever had the definition your source purported.

My source [The Online Etymology Dictionary] states that n****r actually evolved from the term "negro" which had been used to refer to the colour of their skin.

and they change that s**t all the time. ******** we change what we think happened in history all the time. Would a word be diff??

Even so, I do not see how you can deny that the word "n****r" was used (almost exclusively) in a negative way when referring to people of African descent.

In a sort and ******** up time in history yea. 1619-1865 to be exact.

[Kiumaru]

themanoverthere

Kiumaru

themanoverthere

Kiumaru

themanoverthere

We had this talk and you said it yourself they changed the definition.

I said that the source that you used seem to have a definition that was no longer there. So there is no way that I could know, for instance, that Merriam-Webster ever had the definition your source purported.

My source [The Online Etymology Dictionary] states that n****r actually evolved from the term "negro" which had been used to refer to the colour of their skin.

and they change that s**t all the time. ******** we change what we think happened in history all the time. Would a word be diff??

Even so, I do not see how you can deny that the word "n****r" was used (almost exclusively) in a negative way when referring to people of African descent.

In a sort and ******** up time in history yea. 1619-1865 to be exact.

I'm not sure if I would call a 246 year span "short" (if those years are correct).

[Also, I thought that it continued use even into the 20th century]

[themanoverthere]

Kiumaru

themanoverthere

Kiumaru

themanoverthere

Kiumaru

themanoverthere

We had this talk and you said it yourself they changed the definition.

I said that the source that you used seem to have a definition that was no longer there. So there is no way that I could know, for instance, that Merriam-Webster ever had the definition your source purported.

My source [The Online Etymology Dictionary] states that n****r actually evolved from the term "negro" which had been used to refer to the colour of their skin.

and they change that s**t all the time. ******** we change what we think happened in history all the time. Would a word be diff??

Even so, I do not see how you can deny that the word "n****r" was used (almost exclusively) in a negative way when referring to people of African descent.

In a sort and ******** up time in history yea. 1619-1865 to be exact.

I'm not sure if I would call a 246 year span "short" (if those years are correct).

[Also, I thought that it continued use even into the 20th century]

Segregation lasted from about 1896 to 1954. It had a lot of use doing that time to.

[Kiumaru]

themanoverthere

Kiumaru

themanoverthere

Kiumaru

themanoverthere

and they change that s**t all the time. ******** we change what we think happened in history all the time. Would a word be diff??

Even so, I do not see how you can deny that the word "n****r" was used (almost exclusively) in a negative way when referring to people of African descent.

In a sort and ******** up time in history yea. 1619-1865 to be exact.

I'm not sure if I would call a 246 year span "short" (if those years are correct).

[Also, I thought that it continued use even into the 20th century]

Segregation lasted from about 1896 to 1954. It had a lot of use doing that time to.

... You're the one who put 1619-1865.

[themanoverthere]

Kiumaru

themanoverthere

Kiumaru

themanoverthere

Kiumaru

themanoverthere

and they change that s**t all the time. ******** we change what we think happened in history all the time. Would a word be diff??

Even so, I do not see how you can deny that the word "n****r" was used (almost exclusively) in a negative way when referring to people of African descent.

In a sort and ******** up time in history yea. 1619-1865 to be exact.

I'm not sure if I would call a 246 year span "short" (if those years are correct).

[Also, I thought that it continued use even into the 20th century]

Segregation lasted from about 1896 to 1954. It had a lot of use doing that time to.

... You're the one who put 1619-1865.

I was just stating that because when i put the other post i didn't think about this.

[Orphan_Shadow]

themanoverthere

Orphan_Shadow

The Yami Bakura

Its called "allowing the past to control your future"
or "not leaving things in the past"
or "refusing to accept change in word definitions and change in the world"

I have ran into a similar situation with a friend cause they were acting silly, and I said back in a joking manner "you are acting like such a f*****t lol"
They said back "PLEASE, do not use that word in from of me"
I was confused, because I never knew it to really be a insult of any kind.
Why is that?

I used to have a gay friend that called people that act silly "faggots" all the time. He taught me that that was what the word could be used for, calling someone that acts silly a "f*****t"
How is it a insult again?

Then again, I am not saying that when a incident happens that we should just roll over it and ignore it....but it shouldn't hang around forever.

Of course, people that have a personal attachment due to loss to that kind of stuff are understandable. That is a different story altogether.

I don't get it... you say meanings change, yet there are still bigoted people running around using their freedom of speech to degrade and harass others with such words whose meanings supposedly changed when hispters appropriated them... neutral

Shut up and learn what words mean to star with. n****r means stupid or ignorant.

Yes it does mean stupid and ignorant, but that's only part of its meaning. The whole meaning of the word was based on how and what Whites thought of Blacks--subhuman, stupid, ignorant and all manner of hateful things. n****r is a word that people like you are desperately trying to legitimize by pretending the racial context doesn't exist anymore if you recognize at all. neutral

[themanoverthere]

Orphan_Shadow

themanoverthere

Orphan_Shadow

The Yami Bakura

Its called "allowing the past to control your future"
or "not leaving things in the past"
or "refusing to accept change in word definitions and change in the world"

I have ran into a similar situation with a friend cause they were acting silly, and I said back in a joking manner "you are acting like such a f*****t lol"
They said back "PLEASE, do not use that word in from of me"
I was confused, because I never knew it to really be a insult of any kind.
Why is that?

I used to have a gay friend that called people that act silly "faggots" all the time. He taught me that that was what the word could be used for, calling someone that acts silly a "f*****t"
How is it a insult again?

Then again, I am not saying that when a incident happens that we should just roll over it and ignore it....but it shouldn't hang around forever.

Of course, people that have a personal attachment due to loss to that kind of stuff are understandable. That is a different story altogether.

I don't get it... you say meanings change, yet there are still bigoted people running around using their freedom of speech to degrade and harass others with such words whose meanings supposedly changed when hispters appropriated them... neutral

Shut up and learn what words mean to star with. n****r means stupid or ignorant.

Yes it does mean stupid and ignorant, but that's only part of its meaning. The whole meaning of the word was based on how and what Whites thought of Blacks--subhuman, stupid, ignorant and all manner of hateful things. n****r is a word that people like you are desperately trying to legitimize by pretending the racial context doesn't exist anymore if you recognize at all. neutral

I don't remember ever saying any of that?????