Vampirism: Moved to new thread, see 1st post.

[Nezera]

almisami

Drinking blood is very hazardous unless stored properly. And if it was, it'd benefot humanity a whole lot more if given to a blood bank.

I got nothing about your lifestyle choices or beliefs, but they seem like a substantial waste of useful resources to me.

I can think of worse things people do to "waste useful resources" every day. Besides, most sangs don't drink a large quantity of blood, their donor can still donate blood too.

[Nezera]

Obscurus

Hey guys, I don't feel like slamming my head into the desk tonight!

I am kind of wondering though how many vampires consider vampirism to be something that they cannot get rid of. I already know there are a lot of people that wouldn't get rid of it if they could, but how many actually think it's possible? Be honest. How many people cling to their vampirism for the identity it gives rather then because they can't get rid of it?

I'm not sure if it's something you can "get rid of" but I suppose it's possible. I think it depends on the cause of the vampirism. If you can treat the cause, then yes, that could stop the vampirism. If you can't, then no. It also depends on how you view the cause, and if we're in the position to "treat" it, or if we actually want to.

Would I get rid of it if I could? Only if it was really debilitating. I mainly draw energy from nature, and ambient energy (from people) as well. This is usually enough for me, although I need a donor to feel completely satisfied. If I don't feed at all then it does start to cause problems. Most of this can be remedied easily, without the need to feed from a specific individual. Although I do have deeper cravings that I'm not going to deny. I don't view it as a disease. For some vamps the feeding process is enjoyable and sometimes intimate, and I don't think they'd want to let go of that either. Especially when feeding with a lover or close friend.

It's like...say there's a girl who's "plus size" but she takes care of herself and is healthy. While she may be happy with her weight, others say she needs to loose weight, or that she's ugly and fat. She could loose the weight if she really wanted to, but since she's accepts that part of herself, there's no need to. (okay...weird example...but yeah).

I'm not really going to cling to vampirism for the identity aspect. Like I said, it's only one way to view it. I may tell people online, but in person I haven't told anybody. It provides a connection to others like myself, but in the end it's a name, I don't think I'm hot stuff because of it.

Also, like I said in my post on the other page, it's becoming a spiritual thing for me. When I take in energy, I also transform it. I like being a part of that process. It's also helping me understand different sides of myself.

[Obscurus]

I don't really agree with the genetic explanation for sanguinary vampirism and won't truly believe it until I see some evidence that's not anecdotal. I can take things like psi feeding and "prana from blood" at face value because, well, that's more intuition or subjective and can't really be determined but by the effect that it has. Genetics is something that can be objectively tested. We can study genetics by the effect that genes have, but we can also pin the buggers down and see them, whereas with energy theories we can only see the effect, not necessarily the processes or mechanisms.

Given, in my question I may have implied that I thought vampirism (sang or psi) was caused by one thing for both or either. That being, one condition causes vampiric symptoms. This may not even be the case. When determining a cause for vampirism there's a lot that's in the air. Vampiric symptoms could come from a condition that's not related, as a lot of us have pointed out at various points during the life of this thread. This makes it even harder to pin down what causes vampirism.

It could be genetic, psychological, environmental, etc., or a combination of any or all of those. It all demands more research.


@Nicnevinn: I can appreciate your answer about spirituality. I admit that my experience with vampirism helped to open up my spiritual views and abilities. I also understand the analogy of "there's nothing wrong so why fix it" but in some cases, there really is something wrong. I liken it to how many diabetics would choose not to be diabetic if they could.

[Nezera]

I don't think it's necessarily genetic, and most of the time it's probably not.

I would imagine that finding the cause/s may be difficult or unlikely for many people. It would take a lot of self investigation unless it's obvious.

Even if blood didn't contain a certain life energy that sangs need, it could still be a psychological need or desire. I think it's probably a combination of both. Either way, that doesn't mean sangs can't still benefit from it.

I would agree, if something was really wrong and that person couldn't enjoy life because of it, or if it prevented them from pursuing their goals and enriching their lives, then I would see why they would want to find the cause and cure it.

For some people it may actually be enriching.

[Obscurus]

Nicnevinn

I don't think it's necessarily genetic, and most of the time it's probably not.

I would imagine that finding the cause/s may be difficult or unlikely for many people. It would take a lot of self investigation unless it's obvious.

Even if blood didn't contain a certain life energy that sangs need, it could still be a psychological need or desire. I think it's probably a combination of both. Either way, that doesn't mean sangs can't still benefit from it.

I would agree, if something was really wrong and that person couldn't enjoy life because of it, or if it prevented them from pursuing their goals and enriching their lives, then I would see why they would want to find the cause and cure it.

For some people it may actually be enriching.

From your response I can see that I'm getting my points across clearly. smile

I really don't have anything to add. I was just pointing those things out.

[Nezera]

Yup.

I changed my name from Nicnevinn to Nezera, just a heads up to the rest of you.

[Obscurus]

Nezera

Yup.

I changed my name from Nicnevinn to Nezera, just a heads up to the rest of you.

Good to know.

[-0Damarus0-]

Obscurus - As you might remember I've allready tried curing mine. But so far nothing has worked. Temporary fixes have come and gone now and then but other than that I've had no success actually getting rid of it.
If I have a donor or any working feeding method it's not much of a problem but for 97% of the time that's not the case xD

[Kinesia]

~`Vespertine

Ever read 'The Vampire Codex'??

Many have...

[Kinesia]

-0Damarus0-

Obscurus - As you might remember I've allready tried curing mine. But so far nothing has worked. Temporary fixes have come and gone now and then but other than that I've had no success actually getting rid of it.
If I have a donor or any working feeding method it's not much of a problem but for 97% of the time that's not the case xD

Many have tried to "fix" it...
But ended up severely ill instead, so much that they just have to feed again because doctors don't do ******** all to help.

[Kinesia]

Nezera

Yup.

I changed my name from Nicnevinn to Nezera, just a heads up to the rest of you.

Figured so. ;p

[Zimmerchild]

Obscurus

Hey guys, I don't feel like slamming my head into the desk tonight!

I am kind of wondering though how many vampires consider vampirism to be something that they cannot get rid of. I already know there are a lot of people that wouldn't get rid of it if they could, but how many actually think it's possible? Be honest. How many people cling to their vampirism for the identity it gives rather then because they can't get rid of it?

I think we've talked about this before, but it's been so long. So this is refreshing.

I do not believe that we can be fixed/cured/what have you. I believe that is a stipulation to our condition, that you are this way, and will continue to be this way. I don't feel like this is some disease or anything like that, that needs to be corrected.

I don't cling to my vampirism as an identity. I have several things that I identify myself as, vampire is just one of them.

I came to terms with what I am a long time ago. Since then it's just been a journey of learning and, sometimes, teaching.

[CyanideBoxes]

Zimmerchild

Obscurus

Hey guys, I don't feel like slamming my head into the desk tonight!

I am kind of wondering though how many vampires consider vampirism to be something that they cannot get rid of. I already know there are a lot of people that wouldn't get rid of it if they could, but how many actually think it's possible? Be honest. How many people cling to their vampirism for the identity it gives rather then because they can't get rid of it?

I think we've talked about this before, but it's been so long. So this is refreshing.

I do not believe that we can be fixed/cured/what have you. I believe that is a stipulation to our condition, that you are this way, and will continue to be this way. I don't feel like this is some disease or anything like that, that needs to be corrected.

I have to agree here.

It is something that I am. I am human, I am male, I am bisexual, I am vampire. I can change none of these things, nor do I want to, because there is nothing wrong with any of them.

[Cuthdra Niveus]

CyanideBoxes

Zimmerchild

Obscurus

Hey guys, I don't feel like slamming my head into the desk tonight!

I am kind of wondering though how many vampires consider vampirism to be something that they cannot get rid of. I already know there are a lot of people that wouldn't get rid of it if they could, but how many actually think it's possible? Be honest. How many people cling to their vampirism for the identity it gives rather then because they can't get rid of it?

I think we've talked about this before, but it's been so long. So this is refreshing.

I do not believe that we can be fixed/cured/what have you. I believe that is a stipulation to our condition, that you are this way, and will continue to be this way. I don't feel like this is some disease or anything like that, that needs to be corrected.

I have to agree here.

It is something that I am. I am human, I am male, I am bisexual, I am vampire. I can change none of these things, nor do I want to, because there is nothing wrong with any of them.

if anyone asked me about myself andthey already knew i was a vampire or they just wouldnt care i would go int othings like my hobbies and personality before i use vamprism as part of my identity, yes it's part of us but we still breath and stuff everyone is diffent in some way, even identical twins can act diffrently and have diffrent things they identuify themselves a twin will describe themselves before they think of what they realy are down to everytihng you know what i'm saying, and yes this is a very refreshing topic ^-^

[Zimmerchild]

L-kun12

if anyone asked me about myself andthey already knew i was a vampire or they just wouldnt care i would go int othings like my hobbies and personality before i use vamprism as part of my identity, yes it's part of us but we still breath and stuff everyone is diffent in some way, even identical twins can act diffrently and have diffrent things they identuify themselves a twin will describe themselves before they think of what they realy are down to everytihng you know what i'm saying, and yes this is a very refreshing topic ^-^

Exactly, it's just a part of who we are, but it doesn't make up the whole of us. Why should it?