Vampirism: Moved to new thread, see 1st post.

[Reinforest]

Mdify Fallil

Interesting. So the definition of a vampire changes with the region of the world you're in? And nice comparison mrgreen

This is a really controversial matter with the way almost every individual has there own take on what really defines a vampire...Where's a vampire to talk interrogate when you need one? stare

Well, Vox_draconis is a sanguinarian, but I think she's asleep right now.

[The Manic One]

iKayako

Mdify Fallil

Interesting. So the definition of a vampire changes with the region of the world you're in? And nice comparison mrgreen

This is a really controversial matter with the way almost every individual has there own take on what really defines a vampire...Where's a vampire to talk interrogate when you need one? stare

Well, Vox_draconis is a sanguinarian, but I think she's asleep right now.

^_^ Well thanks for the help anyways. U.U I shall quest for the truth.

[Violet Song jat Shariff]

iKayako

Floron

So...from what you said in your first post, a vampire is a human? Therefore not a vampire at all. A human.

I addressed this in the post. A vampire (by our definition) is a human whom needs blood or energies to remain is a good state of mind and body.

This is true; however, nothing intrinsically "vampiric" about it. ALL humans need blood to remain in a good state of body and mind. Without blood, death tends to occur, which is generally considered not a good state of mind or body.
Same for energy. ALL humans need a variety of energies to function. However, I wouldn't say a "psychic" or mystical type of energy is a requirement. Atheists don't believe that variety of energies exist, and aren't dying out en mass.
So even with your definition, it still makes a human a human.
Fail.

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I know there are inconsistencies, but as I explained, 'vampire' is just the word that stuck. I prefer to say 'human vampires' whenever possible, if that helps.

"The community is actually enjoying bogarting a term that is not really relevant to its ways and is too lazy to change it." Is that what you really mean?
And a "human vampire" is a complete contradiction. If you really believe that, I have a dog-cat in my garage I'd like to sell you.

[Reinforest]

Ultraviolett1127

This is true; however, nothing intrinsically "vampiric" about it. ALL humans need blood to remain in a good state of body and mind. Without blood, death tends to occur, which is generally considered not a good state of mind or body.
Same for energy. ALL humans need a variety of energies to function. However, I wouldn't say a "psychic" or mystical type of energy is a requirement. Atheists don't believe that variety of energies exist, and aren't dying out en mass.
So even with your definition, it still makes a human a human.
Fail.
"The community is actually enjoying bogarting a term that is not really relevant to its ways and is too lazy to change it." Is that what you really mean?
And a "human vampire" is a complete contradiction. If you really believe that, I have a dog-cat in my garage I'd like to sell you.

That's probably the silliest argument against us yet. There is a difference between having blood in your veins and needing to ingest someone else's blood. Same with energy. confused

The concept is the same as 'vampire bat'. Yeah, the bat isn't a REAL vampire, but is has certain traits that link it to the idea of a vampire.

[Violet Song jat Shariff]

In your post though, you mentioned nothing about ingesting. You simply said needed. And I contend that all humans, whether "vampiric" or not need blood.

[Reinforest]

Ultraviolett1127

In your post though, you mentioned nothing about ingesting. You simply said needed. And I contend that all humans, whether "vampiric" or not need blood.

Do we really need to nitpick that much? It's greatly implied what's meant by 'needing'.

[WereRetty]

Sanguina-chan

I'm sorry, but no.

Drastically redefining "vampire" does not make one a vampire.

"Psychic vampires" is slang, more than anything else. Just an amusing term. Like "leech" or whatever.

Having a blood fetish doesn't make you a vampire. It means you have a blood fetish.

Vampires are the reanimated dead. Like zombies, only hot and with class. This has been so for decades. You can't suddenly decide "omg, I feed off other people's energies! instead of this making me a total a*****e, I've decided that it makes me a vampire! And because I've decided that I'm a vampire, that automatically makes me cool, because everyone loves vampires!"

No.

I mean, jezuz. Liking blood, being pale... none of this crap makes you a vampire, and it never has done.

Look at me. I'm a witch, a Pagan and a goth. I hate summer, I dislike bright sunlight, I stay in the shade whenever possible. I burn easily, I like blood, and I like my steak rare. I prefer night to day and am often more active after the sun sets.

I am NOT a vampire. I am a human.

Ways to tell that you are not actually a vampire:

a) Are you breathing? Do you have a pulse? Then you are ALIVE and thus not a vampire.
b) Are you below 20? No vampire would ever turn you into a vampire, because you are a teenager. Vampires have class. Duh.
c) Are you still ageing? Then you are ALIVE and thus not a vampire.
d) Are you in school? (I mock you.) Then you are a teenager, and ageing. Refer to points B and C.

(PLEASE NOTE: Drastically redefining the word "vampire" DOES NOT make you a vampire. It makes you a damn wanker, and anyone who values language will beat you to death with a dictionary.)

e) Can you be beaten to death with a dictionary? If so, you are ALIVE (but not for long) and therefore not a vampire.
f) Have you just been beaten to death with a dictionary? If so, you are DEAD, but as you have not been killed by exsanguination via a vampire sucking out your vital fluids, you are not a vampire. EPIC FAILZ.

Interesting facts!

Rabies doesn't make you a vampire.
Being aenemic (and craving things like bloody steak that have lots of iron) does not make you a vampire.
Placebo or psychological effects caused by thinking you are a vampire and going through withdrawal does not make you a vampire.

I like vampires. For this reason, I really dislike it when the term is misused. Such as in this case.

Thank you and goodnight.

Yanno, I actually agree with this person. People who refer themselves as 'vampires' are not how I see 'vampires' and I kind of wish people would stop using the term. It'd be nice if you guys made up a new one or something...

But whatever. I really can't tell you what to call yourselves. It's not my place. :/

EDIT: Not saying you guys don't exist, can't drink blood or can't suck energy and stuff. I feel it's possible...

[Violet Song jat Shariff]

iKayako

Ultraviolett1127

In your post though, you mentioned nothing about ingesting. You simply said needed. And I contend that all humans, whether "vampiric" or not need blood.

Do we really need to nitpick that much? It's greatly implied what's meant by 'needing'.

Well, for someone who was saying also that the term "vampire" has inconsistencies with what the community is actually like, I thought that maybe you'd welcome the opportunity to be more specific about what is being said and help clear up said inconsistencies. But if you'd rather continue using inaccurate, misleading terminology and phrases then I guess that's your choice; keep perpetuating those awful, cumbersome "inconsistencies."

Please, carry on with your silly fantasy lifestyle. Just please, no LARPing around the children.
Gods, the next thing I know you'll run around calling yourselves Druids, another title no one from the past 2 or 3 centuries has any right to.

I'm done now. Feel free to go back to your Anne Rice books; I can hear the spines unbending as I type!

[Reinforest]

Ultraviolett1127

iKayako

Ultraviolett1127

In your post though, you mentioned nothing about ingesting. You simply said needed. And I contend that all humans, whether "vampiric" or not need blood.

Do we really need to nitpick that much? It's greatly implied what's meant by 'needing'.

Well, for someone who was saying also that the term "vampire" has inconsistencies with what the community is actually like, I thought that maybe you'd welcome the opportunity to be more specific about what is being said and help clear up said inconsistencies. But if you'd rather continue using inaccurate, misleading terminology and phrases then I guess that's your choice; keep perpetuating those awful, cumbersome "inconsistencies."

Please, carry on with your silly fantasy lifestyle. Just please, no LARPing around the children.
Gods, the next thing I know you'll run around calling yourselves Druids, another title no one from the past 2 or 3 centuries has any right to.

I'm done now. Feel free to go back to your Anne Rice books; I can hear the spines unbending as I type!

There's a difference between nitpicking and inconsistencies. Why couldn't you just suggest an update nicely? Honestly, there's no reason to be mean. I've been meaning to fix some stuff in the first post anyways.

The rest, well, that's your opinion and your welcome to it. I'd appreciate if people would stop mentioning Anne Rice, though. Those books and all books like them have annoyed me ever since I tried reading romance novels. Ick.

[Vox_Draconis]

Mdify Fallil

iKayako

Mdify Fallil

Interesting. So the definition of a vampire changes with the region of the world you're in? And nice comparison mrgreen

This is a really controversial matter with the way almost every individual has there own take on what really defines a vampire...Where's a vampire to talk interrogate when you need one? stare

Well, Vox_draconis is a sanguinarian, but I think she's asleep right now.

^_^ Well thanks for the help anyways. U.U I shall quest for the truth.

I'm awake *yawns* just about. Only got the computer for a few moments so feel free to PM your questions to me Mdify Fallil when you read this. Or ask them in-thread and I'll get back to you when I can, at least with PMing you can guarantee I'll see the questions.

[Vox_Draconis]

Ultraviolett1127

Please, carry on with your silly fantasy lifestyle. Just please, no LARPing around the children.
Gods, the next thing I know you'll run around calling yourselves Druids, another title no one from the past 2 or 3 centuries has any right to.

Leave the Druids out of this, the vast majority of druids I have met happen to be very nice people.
For more information on druids go here http://www.druidry.org/

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Feel free to go back to your Anne Rice books;

I haven't picked up an Anne Rice novel since....I finished my A-Levels.

[Jaeya]

If I may ask.. When was it that you 'vampires' realized you were such? What was it that made you believe you were an actual vampire, as opposed to a normal living person with vampiric tendencies?

I am a cynic, but I'm trying to widen my horizons and accept your beliefs. I feel I owe it to you, as I consider myself to be a therian.

[Reinforest]

Infi-chan

If I may ask.. When was it that you 'vampires' realized you were such? What was it that made you believe you were an actual vampire, as opposed to a normal living person with vampiric tendencies?

I am a cynic, but I'm trying to widen my horizons and accept your beliefs. I feel I owe it to you, as I consider myself to be a therian.

I'm not a vampire so I can't answer your questions, but I wanted to say that you're the first therian I've seen around Gaia in awhile. It's like they all disappeared. confused

Of course, I've never met a therian that didn't know about vampirism, either. (But that's probably my fault, I've been sticking to only my favorite sites lately.)

[Jaeya]

iKayako

I'm not a vampire so I can't answer your questions, but I wanted to say that you're the first therian I've seen around Gaia in awhile. It's like they all disappeared. confused

Of course, I've never met a therian that didn't know about vampirism, either. (But that's probably my fault, I've been sticking to only my favorite sites lately.)

I know more about vampirism now, because of this thread - but I'm still cynical, based on a point made on the front page - vampires are widely seen as being the living dead, generally incapable of breathing. If you have a beating heart, you can't be a vampire.. though you can be vampiric.

Do people understand the difference, or..?