Vampirism: Moved to new thread, see 1st post.

[Vox_Draconis]

ShisboiRei

Thanks. And it seems you are similarly lucky as well. At least you don't really have to wait like I do. Being able to share energies ^~ Even certain ones, is very beneficial.

I on the other hand have to wait for my partner to recover from the actives. However, I am careful and I do not take too much. I never want to or will put his life in danger ^^. I think safe practice is the best Practice for anything.

Well I do, we both still live with our parents in different parts of the UK, we can't afford to find our own home *sighs* It's just one of those things.

I agree with you, safe practices are the best.

[Reidon Eldritch]

You will one day. I wish the best for you. Anyways I'm really going to head off now ^^ I'll catch you later.

[Vox_Draconis]

ShisboiRei

You will one day. I wish the best for you. Anyways I'm really going to head off now ^^ I'll catch you later.

Catch you later Rei, sleep well.

[RuneOfRedWings]

Sybil Unrest

RuneOfRedWings

@ sybil- question- superheroes are humans. now, not all humans have superpowers. so if a human doesn't have superpowers is it not human?

point is every group has its legends. it doesn't apply to all of us.

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Trouble is that that argument doesn't really apply here. It doesn't logically work. If you see it as a syllogism it should be easier:

All superheroes are humans.
All superheroes have superpowers.
Some humans have no superpowers.
Therefore humans are not human.

Do you see how it doesn't work? Your argument is more analogous to this:

Vampires are undead.
X is a Vampire.
X is alive.

Because in the myths all vampires are undead, and because the myths came prior to the modern "vampire" community, it is they which define the word. Therefore, all vampires are undead. You cannot then call yourself a "vampire" unless you, too, are undead. The only exception to this is to wait for ..maybe a hundred years or so and change the meaning of the word that way. But right now, in this present day and age, "vampire" means "undead revenant" in the same way that "ghoul" means "burial ground demon" and not "girl who likes cemeteries".

actually, no. there are charted remains and paintings of Aboriginal tribes of night- walking blood drinkers. waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before myths.


what it comes down to is the exact same thing as superheroes- being a vampire is boring and mildly unfulfilling. like being a normal human. humans made up superheroes because they give you something to look up to and think is cool. Legends of vampires came about the same way. the real thing starts the legends, not the other way round.

and why do you assume i like cemeteries? seems kinda presumptuous.
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[Sybil Unrest]

RuneOfRedWings

actually, no. there are charted remains and paintings of Aboriginal tribes of night- walking blood drinkers. waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before myths.

They were not vampires.

Online Etymology Dictionary

vampire
1734, from Fr. vampire or Ger. Vampir (1732, in an account of Hungarian vampires), from Hung. vampir, from O.C.S. opiri (cf. Serb. vampir, Bulg. vapir, Ukrainian uper), said by Slavic linguist Franc Miklošič to be ult. from Kazan Tatar ubyr "witch." An Eastern European creature popularized in Eng. by late 19c. gothic novels, however there are scattered Eng. accounts of night-walking, blood-gorged, plague-spreading undead corpses from as far back as 1196.

The vampire, as we know it today, is an amalgamation of mostly Eastern European myths - somewhat different from other blood-drinking monsters of antiquity. For instance, the yara-ma-yha-who drained blood through the suction cups on its fingers and lived in fig trees. Which hardly sounds like our European vampire, who is a bloated corpse who seeks out prey in the night. It is cultural imperialism to transfer our myths on top of native ones with which they have little connection.

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what it comes down to is the exact same thing as superheroes- being a vampire is boring and mildly unfulfilling. like being a normal human. humans made up superheroes because they give you something to look up to and think is cool. Legends of vampires came about the same way. the real thing starts the legends, not the other way round.

Not necessarily, unless we are to believe that other mythological creatures such as the bishop-fish, manticore, ghoul and djinn came about from such creatures existing in a more mundane form. I think you will find that hard to prove.

The modern day vampire movement cannot, as far as I know, trace itself back very far and certainly cannot account for there being no mention of vampire-like creatures in, say, England, for a period of half a thousand years.

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and why do you assume i like cemeteries? seems kinda presumptuous.

I was using an example, I did not mean you.

[insanetics]

Why does re-defining the traditional vampire matter so much to people?
They're mythical creatures. They won't care.

[Vox_Draconis]

Night night thread regs, its nearly 3am here in the UK and I need sleep.

[Lord Roose Bolton]

Seriously.

I asked earlier.

Prove it.

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[MauEvigEternalCat]

Well...as always I kind of jump into these threads kind of late.
I find the entire prospect to be fanscinating...and I'm willing to listen, like the therians thing.
I don't necessarily believe it's true...although I don't really believe in the whole "ageless" vampires thing. To me they are a myth.
But if something is a myth, I don't see how it has to be completely rigid in the definition. I've created my own versions of vampires that aren't undead for my own purposes of stories and roleplays.
Games such as Castlevania, and movies like vampire hunter D and Underworld, don't necessarily express vampires as undead...they can reproduce. All three of said sources have had instances of biological births of vampires or vampire/human hybrids.
Therefore, you can't base your assumptions entirely on that vampires are all undead.
As for the saginunarious...(sorry can't spell) or the "Psy" vampires...the sag ones I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt...in otherwards I'm opening my possibility to them but not necessarily believing they are truth...not so sure about the psy vampires.
I will agree there are a lot of teenagers making up BS on here either, I doubt that helps.
But then again, I'm a 22 year old woman. What can I say?

[Zeithion]

Wait wait wait... Does this mean I am a psivamp or whatever? I don't understand... I have suffered from those symptoms a lot as a child, but then when I hit puberty, they seemed to be fading away... so does this mean that I am not? I am confused now... I don't understand at all... I always feel like I have been able to "feel the energies" around me and such, but I just... I just don't know... I am confused... Someone contact me about this. Really, I want to know if I am suffering from "vampirism" or not. Although, that term bugs me...

[turbid blue]

I'm trying to be nice:

Do you think the craving for blood or energy could just be a psychosomatic condition brought on by an interest in the lifestyle or an internalized event? I mean, people have said that no one really knows what a vampire is, so wouldn't this be a valid explanation? And, as people who may suffer from the disorder, aren't you not in a position to diagnosis yourself? Hell, I'm bipolar and I thought I was a prophet for a while, but it didn't make me one.

Also, I'm going to make an analogy you won't like, but you'll understand: You can't be diagnosed with most serious mental disorders until you're 18 years old. Do you think vampirisim should have a similar classification (obv unofficial)? The reasoning for both is similar: teenagers are crazy. In the case of mental disorders, it seems reasonable to wait to make sure it's actually bipolar and not someone being an attention whore. Actually, the same thing with being bisexual: it tends to fade a lot in people once they grow up. Do you think vampires should wait to declare themselves as such after they can be positive it's not a result of wishful thinking, teenage hormones, insecurity, or lack of attention?

The energy thing interested me, mostly because it seemed more like a religious ceremony than anything. Sort of like laying on of hands or praying over someone, but with the reverse energy effect. That just struck me because it seemed more like a community-building activity than a physical necessity. Rather like the people who ate brains of the dead in their village. They didn't do it because it was an absolute necessity, but rather to bring them closer to their dead relatives.

[Reinforest]

persephonester

I'm trying to be nice:

Do you think the craving for blood or energy could just be a psychosomatic condition brought on by an interest in the lifestyle or an internalized event? I mean, people have said that no one really knows what a vampire is, so wouldn't this be a valid explanation? And, as people who may suffer from the disorder, aren't you not in a position to diagnosis yourself? Hell, I'm bipolar and I thought I was a prophet for a while, but it didn't make me one.

Also, I'm going to make an analogy you won't like, but you'll understand: You can't be diagnosed with most serious mental disorders until you're 18 years old. Do you think vampirisim should have a similar classification (obv unofficial)? The reasoning for both is similar: teenagers are crazy. In the case of mental disorders, it seems reasonable to wait to make sure it's actually bipolar and not someone being an attention whore. Actually, the same thing with being bisexual: it tends to fade a lot in people once they grow up. Do you think vampires should wait to declare themselves as such after they can be positive it's not a result of wishful thinking, teenage hormones, insecurity, or lack of attention?

The energy thing interested me, mostly because it seemed more like a religious ceremony than anything. Sort of like laying on of hands or praying over someone, but with the reverse energy effect. That just struck me because it seemed more like a community-building activity than a physical necessity. Rather like the people who ate brains of the dead in their village. They didn't do it because it was an absolute necessity, but rather to bring them closer to their dead relatives.

1) It could be. It could be possible that the entire phenomena is simply a figment of the imagination or a strange disorder not yet classified. Of course, that's true with alot of other things, too. In any case, I believe it to be real because of personal experiences and the experiences of people I trust. But yes, I'm aware we might be crazy.
2) Actually, this is something the community tries it's hardest to stress. Over at VCMB.org, we tell everyone to go get checked out before considering vampirism, but we are especially tough on teenagers. Because, well, teenagers are crazy. Fun Fact: VCMB has had thousands of teenage members, but only a small portion have stayed longer than a year. It's my opinion that one should always wait at least a year after symptoms start before settling into vampirism, and keep questioning it. The thing is, this is the internet. If they want to call themselves vampires, we can't really do anything about it. But we do try to take down the numbers of attention-seekers out there.
3) That's an interesting way to see it. Of course, most psivamps wouldn't agree with you as to the reasons why, but interesting nonetheless.

[The Manic One]

Wow...I actually read every post in this forum. o.o

Alright, so as someone willing to lean in any direction that provides some sort of logic...what did the term vampire really mean in the beginning? Some say it started with the original Dracula and such, but everyone that draws from that origin brings the term to it's modern day media interpretation.

As well as that, are the definitions provided in the beginning modern day terms or the actual vampire community, or were they around for a while without surfacing? I hope the questions aren't boring but I'm genuinely interested in this topic.

[Reinforest]

Mdify Fallil

Wow...I actually read every post in this forum. o.o

Alright, so as someone willing to lean in any direction that provides some sort of logic...what did the term vampire really mean in the beginning? Some say it started with the original Dracula and such, but everyone that draws from that origin brings the term to it's modern day media interpretation.

As well as that, are the definitions provided in the beginning modern day terms or the actual vampire community, or were they around for a while without surfacing? I hope the questions aren't boring but I'm genuinely interested in this topic.

That first part's a tricky subject, because it really depends on what region of the world you use. In some places, vampires were considered supernatural spirits or demons interchangeable with succubi and incubi. Then there were the more popular rising dead. I'm not that up-to-date with vampire history, so I don't know where it all started. Vampires are kind of like dragons, lots of cultures had them but they didn't all describe them the same way.

The definitions in the first post are primarily those created by the modern vampire community. The term 'psychic vampire' is older, but wasn't commonly used to describe humans until recently.

[The Manic One]

iKayako

Mdify Fallil

Wow...I actually read every post in this forum. o.o

Alright, so as someone willing to lean in any direction that provides some sort of logic...what did the term vampire really mean in the beginning? Some say it started with the original Dracula and such, but everyone that draws from that origin brings the term to it's modern day media interpretation.

As well as that, are the definitions provided in the beginning modern day terms or the actual vampire community, or were they around for a while without surfacing? I hope the questions aren't boring but I'm genuinely interested in this topic.

That first part's a tricky subject, because it really depends on what region of the world you use. In some places, vampires were considered supernatural spirits or demons interchangeable with succubi and incubi. Then there were the more popular rising dead. I'm not that up-to-date with vampire history, so I don't know where it all started. Vampires are kind of like dragons, lots of cultures had them but they didn't all describe them the same way.

The definitions in the first post are primarily those created by the modern vampire community. The term 'psychic vampire' is older, but wasn't commonly used to describe humans until recently.

Interesting. So the definition of a vampire changes with the region of the world you're in? And nice comparison mrgreen

This is a really controversial matter with the way almost every individual has there own take on what really defines a vampire...Where's a vampire to talk interrogate when you need one? stare