Twilight: Is It Original? Read OP

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Tutela de Xaoc

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I am fully aware of the Story of Dracula, and he in fact created the werewolves so I am aware of Dracula and I didn't use Dracula because it is just blatantly obvious.

Count Vlad Dracul the Impaler did not create werewolves...sorry. He was a human, and unless you are insinuating that he has God-Like powers that can turn creatures into hybrid human/wolf creatures, then he absolutely did not create them. If you do believe that a mere human was capable of this ages ago, then I pity your ignorance.
For the ones that wish to argue that Elizabeth Bathory was also involved in the creation of Bram Stoker's Dracula, by all means do so, this could also be possible as Vlad did not drink blood or have anything to do with blood. He simply impaled his victims and piked their heads around his castle during times of war. Elizabeth Bathory however, bathed in the blood of many virgin girls, keeping them in cages until she was ready for them. By this she hoped to gain the younger skin/immortality that the young maidens offered.
Dracula most likely got his name, castle, and count status from Vlad Dracul, but his traits most likely came from the immortality seeker Elizabeth Bathory. Did either of these real human create werewolves? I think not!
Now that that has been explained, and you wish to argue that the "author" of Dracula created werewolves, you are also incorrect, as native americans, as well as other even older cultures most likely, believed in these creatures long before Bram Stoker even existed.
Now, werewolves were created by ancient folklore and tales, but here is some research just into classical works created by authors way older than Bram Stoker.

In one version of Dracula I have heard about, Dracula as a Vampire drains the blood of a wolf creating the first ever werewolf. That is where I used that idea and I know that Count Dracula is based off Vlad the Impaler, I was just under the impression that Vlad the Impaler became a Vampire somehow, don't know how that is what I thought, clearly it is wrong, my bad.
I am also aware of the works by Ovid, Herodotus, and Virgil seeing as I study Mythology at University, but I never saw those written down anywhere (it must be limited versions of the text that I have).
@HTML_Consumer I didn't realise I made that typo, I must go back and correct that, thanks for pointing it out.

[The Figure 13]

Just a note to everybody here, this is a discussion and my opinion was based of of my knowledge, as is everybody else's. I would like to also thank people for furthering my knowledge, I like to quest for knowledge and this has proven to be a great learning experience for me. Again thank you. Keep going this is a great discussion.

[todpury]

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Here is my list of what I think has been copied from other places:
• Skin of Granite stolen from the latest version of Catwoman that has skin of marble.
This I am not 100% sure of but, Catwoman that had Halle Berry in it was released 2004, Twilight was released 2005.

I can't believe no one else has picked at this one yet. Look, characters have been having rock hard, impenetrable skin for ages. And as far as the "latest" version of Catwoman goes, it's not Halle Berry from the movie, they actually revamped Catwoman in the comics quite a bit recently. I don't read DC so I couldn't tell you more than what she looks like, suffice to say it's nothing like Halle Berry.

But back to my first point, there have been people with rock or metal skin for ages. But people who write them aren't "plagiarizing" anybody, they just took the idea and twisted it in a new way. Plagiarism is like when that chick attempted to publish her own sequel to Twilight called "Russet Noon," using all the characters and plot arcs. And that's why she's getting sued.

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The Final and biggest one of all is this:
• The entire story line of New Moon is almost direct knock off of Romeo and Juliet, by Shakespeare.
As good as Shakespearean dramas are there is no need for them to be copied almost to the letter, using elements yes as Shakespeare is pretty much the father of the English language. The key difference is that New Moon doesn't have a tragic outcome, but this one is more obvious as she does state in the books Romeo and Juliet themes as Bella has to study it for English, by reading you can see the similarities, they are as plain as day to those who aren't blinded by fandom.

This one bugs me the most, as, if you have some sort of obsession with Twilight, you'd know she OPENLY ADMITS that New Moon is in part inspired by Romeo and Juliet. She says that all of the books follow some of the classic love stories, and New Moon's is Romeo and Juliet. But here's the thing: people do this stuff all the time! It's a generally accepted practice. As long as you don't use the exact same characters in the exact same setting you're not going to get sued for plagiarism. Bridget Jones's Diary is based heavily on "Pride and Prejudice," and did it very well to make the same story line compelling and updated to the present. I like both very much.

Also: about your assertion that Avatar had people who controlled the basic elements first, what about superheroes throughout the ages, what ab out video games that have element based powers, and just legends of people like, I don't know, Posiden, who could control the water and, geeze, Demitr who could control the harvest? That idea is the oldest one (in the book, hah).

[marshmallowcreampie]

Girl meets a pretty boy. They fall in "love" instantly. Girl finds out boy has a super dark and mysterious secret. This makes boy cooler and all the more attractive. They have a happily ever after. Yes, SO original. Twilight uses a cliche storyline that hundreds if not thousands of authors have used. She's not ripping anyone off unless she stole the exact text.

[Phantomboy411]

so?

[Prince Rilian]

WanderingPauper

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Just a note, I posted this in the Chatterbox. The Noobs in their are clearly illiterate

"In their?" Heh, you're not clearly literate yourself. But you're heck a lot better than the other people who post.

mis-spelling a word here and there doesn't equate to illiteracy.

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Prince Rilian

WanderingPauper

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Just a note, I posted this in the Chatterbox. The Noobs in their are clearly illiterate

"In their?" Heh, you're not clearly literate yourself. But you're heck a lot better than the other people who post.

mis-spelling a word here and there doesn't equate to illiteracy.

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And yet the first thing that was pointed out was that one typo. Honestly what does that have to do with this discussion?



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todpury

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Here is my list of what I think has been copied from other places:
• Skin of Granite stolen from the latest version of Catwoman that has skin of marble.
This I am not 100% sure of but, Catwoman that had Halle Berry in it was released 2004, Twilight was released 2005.

I can't believe no one else has picked at this one yet. Look, characters have been having rock hard, impenetrable skin for ages. And as far as the "latest" version of Catwoman goes, it's not Halle Berry from the movie, they actually revamped Catwoman in the comics quite a bit recently. I don't read DC so I couldn't tell you more than what she looks like, suffice to say it's nothing like Halle Berry.

But back to my first point, there have been people with rock or metal skin for ages. But people who write them aren't "plagiarizing" anybody, they just took the idea and twisted it in a new way. Plagiarism is like when that chick attempted to publish her own sequel to Twilight called "Russet Noon," using all the characters and plot arcs. And that's why she's getting sued.

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The Final and biggest one of all is this:
• The entire story line of New Moon is almost direct knock off of Romeo and Juliet, by Shakespeare.
As good as Shakespearean dramas are there is no need for them to be copied almost to the letter, using elements yes as Shakespeare is pretty much the father of the English language. The key difference is that New Moon doesn't have a tragic outcome, but this one is more obvious as she does state in the books Romeo and Juliet themes as Bella has to study it for English, by reading you can see the similarities, they are as plain as day to those who aren't blinded by fandom.

This one bugs me the most, as, if you have some sort of obsession with Twilight, you'd know she OPENLY ADMITS that New Moon is in part inspired by Romeo and Juliet. She says that all of the books follow some of the classic love stories, and New Moon's is Romeo and Juliet. But here's the thing: people do this stuff all the time! It's a generally accepted practice. As long as you don't use the exact same characters in the exact same setting you're not going to get sued for plagiarism. Bridget Jones's Diary is based heavily on "Pride and Prejudice," and did it very well to make the same story line compelling and updated to the present. I like both very much.

Also: about your assertion that Avatar had people who controlled the basic elements first, what about superheroes throughout the ages, what ab out video games that have element based powers, and just legends of people like, I don't know, Posiden, who could control the water and, geeze, Demitr who could control the harvest? That idea is the oldest one (in the book, hah).

I would like to point out that of the texts I have used, I have chosen more easily recognisable ones and not really obscure ones, because in my experience if I use something most people haven't heard of I have to explain it to them. I don't like explaining things to people because sometimes I accidently make them feel stupid, I don't like people feeling down on themselves for any reason. With Avatar the same thing applies, I could have used Greek Mythology but even some people who know basic mythology might not understand some of those aspects.

marshmallowcreampie

Girl meets a pretty boy. They fall in "love" instantly. Girl finds out boy has a super dark and mysterious secret. This makes boy cooler and all the more attractive. They have a happily ever after. Yes, SO original. Twilight uses a cliche storyline that hundreds if not thousands of authors have used. She's not ripping anyone off unless she stole the exact text.

And that is why it is a discussion.
Using Plagiarism is probably a harsh term, I created this thread just to find where the similarities to other texts are, and further my literary database. I should probably go back and extract the plagiarised with a more appropriate one.

[Imaginary Marionette]

I agree with you that the Twilight Series is unoriginal, but I find most of your comparsions wrong.

She stole the werewolves from a more shamanistic point of view then a Harry Potter one. The mythology bit doesn't even count, because mythology is an openly used source for books. And I highly doubt the skin of granite was taken from catwoman.

I find Twilight unoriginal because of the cliched teenage love story, and because the vampires are practically all powerful. As well as the battle between wolves and vampires - that's a story as old as time, it seems. They're always either on a team, or completely against each other.

[Ryukahn Shade]

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I am fully aware of the Story of Dracula, and he in fact created the werewolves so I am aware of Dracula and I didn't use Dracula because it is just blatantly obvious.

Count Vlad Dracul the Impaler did not create werewolves...sorry. He was a human, and unless you are insinuating that he has God-Like powers that can turn creatures into hybrid human/wolf creatures, then he absolutely did not create them. If you do believe that a mere human was capable of this ages ago, then I pity your ignorance.
For the ones that wish to argue that Elizabeth Bathory was also involved in the creation of Bram Stoker's Dracula, by all means do so, this could also be possible as Vlad did not drink blood or have anything to do with blood. He simply impaled his victims and piked their heads around his castle during times of war. Elizabeth Bathory however, bathed in the blood of many virgin girls, keeping them in cages until she was ready for them. By this she hoped to gain the younger skin/immortality that the young maidens offered.
Dracula most likely got his name, castle, and count status from Vlad Dracul, but his traits most likely came from the immortality seeker Elizabeth Bathory. Did either of these real human create werewolves? I think not!
Now that that has been explained, and you wish to argue that the "author" of Dracula created werewolves, you are also incorrect, as native americans, as well as other even older cultures most likely, believed in these creatures long before Bram Stoker even existed.
Now, werewolves were created by ancient folklore and tales, but here is some research just into classical works created by authors way older than Bram Stoker.

In one version of Dracula I have heard about, Dracula as a Vampire drains the blood of a wolf creating the first ever werewolf. That is where I used that idea and I know that Count Dracula is based off Vlad the Impaler, I was just under the impression that Vlad the Impaler became a Vampire somehow, don't know how that is what I thought, clearly it is wrong, my bad.
I am also aware of the works by Ovid, Herodotus, and Virgil seeing as I study Mythology at University, but I never saw those written down anywhere (it must be limited versions of the text that I have).
@HTML_Consumer I didn't realise I made that typo, I must go back and correct that, thanks for pointing it out.

Yet, if you go by this, then you are simply believing a myth inside an already fictional piece of work. *sigh* Not a good idea.
Werewolves existed long before Dracula was ever even thought about. It's sad that the lore has been mostly lost in all the masses.

[Veolin]

I'm a casual fan of the series, but I remember hearing so much talk about the Twilight series having parts in it that were ripped from a series by L.J. Smith. I even read the books to see for myself and found points that screamed out to me with their almost identical similarities that raise questions concerning Meyer's works. It was the Night World series if I remember correctly, especially in regards to supernaturals being able to permanently bond with another person as his or her's soul mate. (Imprinting much?). It doesn't really bother me though, but simply for the fact that there is such an abundance of urban fantasy out revolving around vampires, especially that, for me at least, I'm starting to find it more and more rare to find truly unique plot ideas. Its almost unavoidable for a writer of this kind of series to not come across as if they are using someone else idea at least once.

[Faint Claymore]

Hm, if I was going to plagiarise something, I would certainly not choose a work of pure garbage such as Twilight. I have not read anything past the OP, so of course, my comment will be unprofessional. However, it seems that Twilight is not an entirely original idea, although there is no doubt that it does contain original ideas. Eragon is another book thats screams plagiarism, the reader will quickly notice the storyline feels similar to Star Wars, to name one. But, like Twilight, I believe the author fully intended to produce their own work, if perhaps influenced by past author's literature or films.

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I am fully aware of the Story of Dracula, and he in fact created the werewolves so I am aware of Dracula and I didn't use Dracula because it is just blatantly obvious.

Count Vlad Dracul the Impaler did not create werewolves...sorry. He was a human, and unless you are insinuating that he has God-Like powers that can turn creatures into hybrid human/wolf creatures, then he absolutely did not create them. If you do believe that a mere human was capable of this ages ago, then I pity your ignorance.
For the ones that wish to argue that Elizabeth Bathory was also involved in the creation of Bram Stoker's Dracula, by all means do so, this could also be possible as Vlad did not drink blood or have anything to do with blood. He simply impaled his victims and piked their heads around his castle during times of war. Elizabeth Bathory however, bathed in the blood of many virgin girls, keeping them in cages until she was ready for them. By this she hoped to gain the younger skin/immortality that the young maidens offered.
Dracula most likely got his name, castle, and count status from Vlad Dracul, but his traits most likely came from the immortality seeker Elizabeth Bathory. Did either of these real human create werewolves? I think not!
Now that that has been explained, and you wish to argue that the "author" of Dracula created werewolves, you are also incorrect, as native americans, as well as other even older cultures most likely, believed in these creatures long before Bram Stoker even existed.
Now, werewolves were created by ancient folklore and tales, but here is some research just into classical works created by authors way older than Bram Stoker.

In one version of Dracula I have heard about, Dracula as a Vampire drains the blood of a wolf creating the first ever werewolf. That is where I used that idea and I know that Count Dracula is based off Vlad the Impaler, I was just under the impression that Vlad the Impaler became a Vampire somehow, don't know how that is what I thought, clearly it is wrong, my bad.
I am also aware of the works by Ovid, Herodotus, and Virgil seeing as I study Mythology at University, but I never saw those written down anywhere (it must be limited versions of the text that I have).
@HTML_Consumer I didn't realise I made that typo, I must go back and correct that, thanks for pointing it out.

Yet, if you go by this, then you are simply believing a myth inside an already fictional piece of work. *sigh* Not a good idea.
Werewolves existed long before Dracula was ever even thought about. It's sad that the lore has been mostly lost in all the masses.

I am aware of earlier myths but I am not 100% sure of what to make of them any more seeing as Hollywood and Literature has sent the Vampire Myths in a direction to which it may never recover, although when and/if someone finds real evidence of Vampires existing I am afraid that Dracula (not sure if this one is completely fictional), Twilight and other works of fiction are forever going to be the basis of Vampires and their existence.

[expresshour]

lol OP. I'm not even a huge fan of Twilight, but your analysis of its originality isn't very inspired. They stole [insert idea here] from [insert franchise here] was kinda what I got out of it on most of your points.

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expresshour

lol OP. I'm not even a huge fan of Twilight, but your analysis of its originality isn't very inspired. They stole [insert idea here] from [insert franchise here] was kinda what I got out of it on most of your points.

That is the basis for a comparison, you can't compare something unless there is something to compare it to.