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• Shapeshifters (Wolves) stolen from Harry Potter


Stolen from harry potter? Harry ******** potter? Are you serious? You are talking about the story of wizards, ogres, witches, and other creatures that is totally ripped off from other good literature of the past? About the only thing original about harry potter is a wizard with a lame a** name like harry.

Most things are not original in this world, but at least do not use a POS piece of literary garbage made for elementary school readers with lame a** characters to go after it. Just stop mentioning Harry Potter as original and good. It is a pop up book without the pictures.

You clearly don't like Harry Potter. I don't care that is your choice. But it is merely a reference and the only one that I can think of at the time. It may not be correct though, there are other more suitable ones I could've used but didn't cause I didn't think of them at the time.


Look, my like or dislike of Harry Potter aside, it certainly is not original or advanced literature. I will admit twilight is about the same idea as most other vampire literature and certainly not written with flowing literary prose that is above an elementary school reading level, but to use a book that is written for little children and uses common literary tools like wizards, wands, and ugly monsters is like bashing McDonalds for being unhealthy using Taco Bell as your example.

If you are going to use 20th century literature at least use something like tolkien. However, even that is a copy of works of the past that had things like wizards and dragons and things like arthurian heroes. When you are going to go after something like twilight from an intellectual point of view it would be good of you to be intellectual and use some good references. Otherwise you come off as one of the more ignorant twilight haters who have no real business being bothered at the intellectual levels of twilight, or because it uses a common pretext like vampires and werewolves. Really, what were you thinking?

My advice to you is to stop thinking that Harry Potter is decent literature and recognize it is just as fluffy and copies as twilight, only the author raped you for many more books, crappy toys, and will force you to pay for at least 7 crappy movies based on one of the most daft and annoying dimwitted hero ever to annoy us in a book. I have read both, and although twilight is fluffy, how the hell did you read about the supposedly most powerful wizard ever who doesn't have a clue about anything? You would think a vastly powerful wizard might get a backbone or a clue by the end of 7 ******** books. You just want to smack the little b***h, and you end up rooting for him to be anally raped for being so perfectly useless as a hero.

You clearly didn't read the entire OP go back and read it carefully and I just said Harry Potter is a more well known source, and the stolen aspect in that book further proves my point that Meyer isn't original as she is using ideas of ideas to further push romantic drivel down the throats of so many young girls and middle aged housewives.


Again, I will tell you that if you read books you would find that there is very little of what you would call original. The vampire motif stretches back for centuries and probably everything you have actually read about vampires is based off of older stories. Your complaint is irrelevant if you read pretty much anything from the 20th century. Even ancient races were drawing pictures of things like animal monsters and telling stories of things that would suck the life out of you. Your complaint is focussed on a single writer that does what every other writer does. So, really you are just pissy about twilight, and I have to wonder the real reason why? It really seems like twilight doesn't copy the vampire theme in a way you like. I don't hear you bitching about Ann Rice, or the 8 billion copies of the vampire legends that exist. So, really you just dislike twilight which makes you a pointless hater with no real purpose. That is just as bad as being a rabid fangirl who squeels every time you say edward. I you stop reading things that are not completely original you would stop reading. The fact that you seem to think Harry Potter is great only amplifies your complete hypocricy.
 
     
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I've never heard of sparkling vampires though. So maybe just a little?

Well, You COULD call that original. ******** stupid, But original....
Its a s**t story anyway
 
     
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she copies the book from anne rice i have read the books and think the are pompous bullshit
     
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she copies the book from anne rice i have read the books and think the are pompous bullshit


Blasphemy.
Anne Rice uses Egyptian Mythology and Demons
Stephanie Meyer uses Diamond Skin, ***** Love, and Glitter.
 
     
 
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I've never heard of sparkling vampires though. So maybe just a little?

Why do think I didn't mention it, it is the only thing in the books that is original, to a degree.
Well, my ignorance isn't exactly evidence. I'm sure vampires that react awkwardly to the sun have existed prior. I know of a few that weren't even effected.

I don't know that much about Vampire mythology, much like Meyer claims, but at least with my knowledge Vampires are supposed to burn in the sun, making them glow in the sunlight is just stupid as she makes the Vampires in her story practically invincible.

Hah, there is more than one instance in the quintessential vampire novel Dracula by Bram Stoker, WRITTEN IN THE 1800's, OVER 100 YEARS AGO where Dracula BOTH shapeshifts into a wolf, into a fog, into a young man, AND ventures out in daylight as a young price and isn't affected by the SUN! No, he doesn't "sparkle" like a fruity fairy, but I think people in general need to read more books and watch less TV and play less video games before thinking they know anything about vampire mythos and whatnot, holy crap.
 
     
 
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• Shapeshifters (Wolves) stolen from Harry Potter and the Animagus, only difference is that In Harry Potter the animal is a reflection of the self and would probably be similar to their Patronas and have to train for years in order to be able to do it. In Twilight they have no choice, they always turn into wolves as they are an American Indian tribe who has the wolf as their spirit.
With this one I didn't go with the obvious similarity of the Lycans, I tried to find a similarity in literature looks like I found one.




i my self am a huge harry potter fan and i know all about the series and the were wolves in harry potter and the animagus has almost nothing in common with the werewolves/shapeshifters in twilight


werewolves in harry potter, are bitten to cause them to become a werewolf and they change at the full moon and have no choice. they also are not themselves when they have transformed of which only happens on a full moon.


as for animagi, animagi can come in any form of an animal and takes years to achieve.for example mcgonagall is a cat, sirius black is a black dog, james potter is a stag, peter pettigrew is a rat, and rita skeeter is a beetle. they change when they want to, but they cant hear each other's thoughts or anything.


also in new moon the wolves have the ability they have due to a genitic idiosyncrasy coming from their ancesters. they have the choice of when to change and are also extremely large.


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The Final and biggest one of all is this:
• The entire story line of New Moon is almost direct knock off of Romeo and Juliet, by Shakespeare.
As good as Shakespearean dramas are there is no need for them to be copied almost to the letter, using elements yes as Shakespeare is pretty much the father of the English language. The key difference is that New Moon doesn't have a tragic outcome, but this one is more obvious as she does state in the books Romeo and Juliet themes as Bella has to study it for English, by reading you can see the similarities, they are as plain as day to those who aren't blinded by fandom



in new moon, edward leaves bella after she nearly gets killed by jasper because she got a paper cut, he leaves her, but the cullens do not hate bella or her family in the way that the capulets and the montagues hated each other. charlie does not like edward simply because when he left it upset bella. of course but edward and carlisle have no problem with bella....hec they love her. also there is no balcony scene where edward is talking to her. yes there is that element of he thought she killed her self so he went to go kill himself, but he didnt die and there was a whole different thing that came after that. Bella was not supposed to marry anyone either and jacob was only a friend. i see where you can relate the two but it is a different story.
     
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I've never heard of sparkling vampires though. So maybe just a little?

Well, You COULD call that original. ******** stupid, But original....
Its a s**t story anyway
The only thing that's ******** stupid is you! Edward... Edward isn't stupid at all. Nor is his "dad". I like his "dad".
 
     
 
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I've never heard of sparkling vampires though. So maybe just a little?

Well, You COULD call that original. ******** stupid, But original....
Its a s**t story anyway
The only thing that's ******** stupid is you! Edward... Edward isn't stupid at all. Nor is his "dad". I like his "dad".


you're a Twilight fan?! eek
     
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I've never heard of sparkling vampires though. So maybe just a little?

Well, You COULD call that original. ******** stupid, But original....
Its a s**t story anyway
The only thing that's ******** stupid is you! Edward... Edward isn't stupid at all. Nor is his "dad". I like his "dad".

May I ask why you like my father? Cause I sure don't. >.<
Thanks for the compliment though.
 
     
 
Like Harry Potter, the only thing good about Twilight is that it gets young people to read and think, and hopefully gets them to read something else. As far as Literary Masterpieces go, I can't say I'd put either on my top 100 list.
     
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I've never heard of sparkling vampires though. So maybe just a little?

Well, You COULD call that original. ******** stupid, But original....
Its a s**t story anyway
The only thing that's ******** stupid is you! Edward... Edward isn't stupid at all. Nor is his "dad". I like his "dad".

May I ask why you like my father? Cause I sure don't. >.<
Thanks for the compliment though.
That wasn't actually very clever.
 
     
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I have read Twilight, so before anyone starts flaming me saying "You haven't read it, don't comment on stuff you don't understand," believe me I've read it and to be honest, I kinda have an obsession with it, but from a different level seeing as I am a guy.

In my reading of Twilight I have come up with a few thoughts. People claim Stephanie Meyer has plagiarised her book. Now I don't believe this to be entirely true, on the contrary I believe sections of Twilight to be original, and if they aren't I haven't found anything to compare them to yet. But there are parts that don't seem quite right as if they have been plagiarised from somewhere.

Here is my list of what I think has been copied from other places:
• Skin of Granite stolen from the latest version of Catwoman that has skin of marble.
This I am not 100% sure of but, Catwoman that had Halle Berry in it was released 2004, Twilight was released 2005.

• Aro and his shield, Renata, taken from Egyptian Mythlogy where the king is always represented with Ma'at behind him.
This is the exact same stance Aro takes with Renata, she is close to him, her hand on his shoulder, if you look at the artwork from Ancient Egypt you will see this imagery used with the Pharaoh.


And another thing... please PLEASE don't say that plagarism comes from adapting a similar idea. Plagarism is a crime punishable by law, like copyright infringement. It is taking someone else's writing and claiming it to be your own. Twilight is by no stretch of the imagination plagarism, even if some of the concepts are similar to those of other authors, etc.

And DON'T compare a literary work to other media... especially not folklore! To say that an idea in a book is not original because it is derived from ancient mythology would mean that THE ENTIRE VAMPIRE MYTHOS AND ANY AUTHOR WHO HAS WRITTEN ABOUT A VAMPIRE has "plagarized" old Romanian/Czech superstition about vampires. Utterly stupid. The idea of Vampires was not contrived by an author... at least, not in the conventional, fictional novel-writing sense.
     


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I've never heard of sparkling vampires though. So maybe just a little?

Well, You COULD call that original. ******** stupid, But original....
Its a s**t story anyway
The only thing that's ******** stupid is you! Edward... Edward isn't stupid at all. Nor is his "dad". I like his "dad".

May I ask why you like my father? Cause I sure don't. >.<
Thanks for the compliment though.
That wasn't actually very clever.


Wasn't trying to be clever, just being truthful.

1. I would like to know how you met my father

2. Scratch the first question, I care not.

3. I am curious to know why you like him.
 
     
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