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Meguriuta's avatar

Learned Sage

Good grief, from a rant thread to a debate XD
Aryvane's avatar

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curtneko
i feel the people showing their displeasure are better off than the people blindly going on all "omg we'll miss you please don't leave you're perfect!!!", as the people showing their displeasure at least have the decency to look at the situation logically and with an open mind

I suppose you can look at a party the same way. Either
you can pick up a drink and enjoy yourself or you can
refuse to go and roll your eyes at the idiots getting drunk.

Both choices are ultimately fruitless in the end, but you're
making other people, and by extension, yourself, happier
by picking the less intelligent option.

So yes, in my opinion, better "OMG the community will
miss you even though I never met you!" than "wow you're
such an attention whore because of x, y, and z."
curtneko's avatar

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Aryvane
curtneko
i feel the people showing their displeasure are better off than the people blindly going on all "omg we'll miss you please don't leave you're perfect!!!", as the people showing their displeasure at least have the decency to look at the situation logically and with an open mind

I suppose you can look at a party the same way. Either
you can pick up a drink and enjoy yourself or you can
refuse to go and roll your eyes at the idiots getting drunk.

Both choices are ultimately fruitless in the end, but you're
making other people, and by extension, yourself, happier
by picking the less intelligent option.

So yes, in my opinion, better "OMG the community will
miss you even though I never met you!" than "wow you're
such an attention whore because of x, y, and z."
it doesn't have to be an attack, but it can be a logical. realistic look at the situation

i don't see why anyone would prefer dishonest, blind devotion to that
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curtneko
it doesn't have to be an attack, but it can be a logical. realistic look at the situation

i don't see why anyone would prefer dishonest, blind devotion to that

I'm saying that, at the end of the day, the logical, realistic
look doesn't give you anything besides the (narcissistic)
satisfaction that you can find fault in something someone
else did. (And, realistically, you can argue semantics about
any action taken until the cows come home.)

In the long run, it's just as selfish (esp in a ran thread, where
the target won't even learn from the criticism) besides being
negative and critical. Logical? Sure. Practical? Not really.

Whereas the blind devotion makes both the devotee and the...
other party? (superficially) happy, and gives the entire community
something to bond over (some members of which actually
knew and wish well for the person).

So, in my opinion, it's a case of negative, superior happiness
against positive, superficial happiness, and while both have
thier own followings, and I'd prefer the positive over the negative.
After all, in the long run, they're both pretty isolated, moot incidents,
so why not just let it be?
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Aryvane
curtneko
it doesn't have to be an attack, but it can be a logical. realistic look at the situation

i don't see why anyone would prefer dishonest, blind devotion to that

I'm saying that, at the end of the day, the logical, realistic
look doesn't give you anything besides the (narcissistic)
satisfaction that you can find fault in something someone
else did. (And, realistically, you can argue semantics about
any action taken until the cows come home.)

In the long run, it's just as selfish (esp in a ran thread, where
the target won't even learn from the criticism) besides being
negative and critical. Logical? Sure. Practical? Not really.

Whereas the blind devotion makes both the devotee and the...
other party? (superficially) happy, and gives the entire community
something to bond over (some members of which actually
knew and wish well for the person).

So, in my opinion, it's a case of negative, superior happiness
against positive, superficial happiness, and while both have
thier own followings, and I'd prefer the positive over the negative.
After all, in the long run, they're both pretty isolated, moot incidents,
so why not just let it be?
i point out those realistic, logicals views because:

1. i care enough about the person to analyze the situation with an open mind
2. i would hope for my concern to be passed on to the person to know that they care

blindly agreeing with the person 100% does absolutely nothing but justify the person treating their "friends" like s**t
Red Kutai's avatar

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Aryvane
Now, the people who leave and post threads about themselves,
they're attention whores.

I think it's a little unfair to demean others for drawing attention to themselves; some things actually warrant attention, and I don't think there's anything shameful about addressing it yourself rather than waiting around for others to address it for you.

If I were to intentionally leave the community - and I should note that at present I fully intend to be the last balmy old frog here, longwindedly muttering to himself in some dark corner of the Forum... - I would almost certainly make a thread saying so. And I don't really think that's unreasonable, or 'attention whoring'; this place is my home, and I would never 'move out' without telling my family I'm leaving. Mind you, it only makes sense to keep the personal messages private, but if someone feels so close to the zOMG! community as to consider saying goodbye necessary, they should have plenty to say about the game and the community to fill a forum-relevant thread. And I honestly don't see aything wrong with their doing so.

Now, I'm actually a little more reticent to accept third-person threads, for a number of reasons; not least of all the fact that they have a lot of potential for unwanted attention. If a person wants to draw attention to themselves, I think they're perfectly within their rights to do so - if they opt not to, it seems strage to encourage others to force it upon them. I suppose you can argue that what they don't know can't hurt them (since they're gone, and all), but if the only way you can justify doing something is that the target doesn't know you're doing it, it seems to me you're obviously in some questionable territory. Simply, if a person wants public attention, the Forum is here for them; if they don't, I'd expect others to respect that.

The second major reason I'd tend to discourage third-party threads is that they generally aren't actually forum-relevant - most of them are personal messages, PMs or profile comments in disguise. If those threads primarily took the form of - say - other players remembering what those players had done in and for the game and the community, that would be worthwhile content for a thread regardless of who the player in question might have been. Most such threads focus instead on the person themself, which - heartwarming though it may be - simply doesn't feel like it belongs. If you want to talk about a person, do so personally - if you want to talk about the intersection between that person and zOMG!, by all means this is the place to do it...
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Red Kutai
The second major reason I'd tend to discourage third-party threads is that they generally aren't actually forum-relevant - most of them are personal messages, PMs or profile comments in disguise. If those threads primarily took the form of - say - other players remembering what those players had done in and for the game and the community, that would be worthwhile content for a thread regardless of who the player in question might have been. Most such threads focus instead on the person themself, which - heartwarming though it may be - simply doesn't feel like it belongs. If you want to talk about a person, do so personally - if you want to talk about the intersection between that person and zOMG!, by all means this is the place to do it...

^ This portion, I think, could actually also be used as a reason
to discourage first-person threads as well.

Invariably, the forum is public and "good bye!" is something that
remains, in my opinion, something to be said between friends.
Despite it being a general community, there remain relatively few
who actually know and care about a single, specific player (and
would thus be impacted by their leaving).

Should the thread be forum relevant, as you've mentioned, it's
perfectly valuable simply for its game-related content. If the thread
is nothing more than "I'm leaving guys. Thank you all for a great
6 years!" I think it'd be better suited for private PMs and most
probably doesn't have any real need to come to the attention of
the community.

As for third-person threads: I think that they have more of a tendency
to bring the community together (as a sort of "let's commiserate
about the good old days and don't you remember when xxx did
yyy in zzz crew we had with xxx before xxx left?") than first-person
threads (which tend to be more "no! don't! stay! come back!" as
users see the original poster and have more reason to assume s/he
will read or be influenced by the posts).

So it's heartwarming, but practicality wise, it's talking about the
person (and thus possibly analyzing their contribution to zOMG!), while
a first-person thread would be filled with more personal conversations.

But all that's highly hypothetical, based on past experience and
theory. xD
Whale Child's avatar

Vicious Cutesmasher

It's just a game.
Stop pls.
Red Kutai's avatar

Benevolent Codger


Been a while since I've had anyone make my text smaller. redface
Aryvane
Should the thread be forum relevant, as you've mentioned, it's
perfectly valuable simply for its game-related content. If the thread
is nothing more than "I'm leaving guys. Thank you all for a great
6 years!" I think it'd be better suited for private PMs and most
probably doesn't have any real need to come to the attention of
the community.

I think that you're probably right, and that's probably the root of whatever-it-was I was trying to get at - there's a right way and a wrong way to present such threads in the context of the Forum, and I can support 'right way' threads regardless of whom they may've been created by. I think that any attempt to speculate about which way is more likely to devolve into a 'wrong way' thread is, at best, just that: speculation. While I can certainly see your point about users being more likely to misplace personal content in a thread created by the user in question, I don't think it's really any fault of those users for making such a thread in the first place; even in threads with the best of intentions, there's only so much the OP can do to control things from there... sweatdrop
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Aryvane
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I disagree with you on this. The way Dande left, giving people a "mystery" is pretty much attention seeking.

If she didn't pots 'DMSer' or didn't post anything at all, just sent the gift anonymously without any text, yes, people would try to solve the mystery, but it wouldn't end up like it did now.

And again, if she just sent one big PM with saying goodbye, then nothing would happen, once again.

People usually do that, when they are leaving you, know..

Then about the other person. You seriously think that was some kind of 'goodbye' saying thread? Nah. It was some kind of trend.

It's not like throwing a party. Those threads have NOTHING like that in them. Well, at least as far as I read about them.

Another thing - goodluck throwing a goodbye party for person who doesn't attend. I'm not English, but I'm pretty sure 'goodbye party' is not to talk WITHOUT the person.
Meguriuta's avatar

Learned Sage

OMG such nooby SMOB crews. They didn't even buff me in SS or tell me that they were already halfway through it. Then when I died because they didn't lure the anchor bugs they told me I should have null buffed. -.- No thank you.
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Vicious Prophet

My tuna crew was great, no rants revolving around you guys. Y'all were amazing.

The rant is about how we hit all 20 GR rooms before finally running into HPR. crying

Also, apparently if you tank, not every monster your crew kills goes towards the 100 to get full tuna, whut. It's only if you heal someone while they're attacking that the monster counts. Except if they're not getting hit because you're keeping aggro then you don't get the kill even though you tanked it. .
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1. Why bring FR to smeb.
2. WHY USE FR AT BODY?! emotion_facepalm
3. Why bring 2 passives to smeb.
4. Why wonder why you're dying 'cause fr is attacking arms making them shoot out rockets every 2 friggin' seconds.

WHAT THE BRICK MANG. emotion_bigvein
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curtneko

you should make me a leaving thread everytime i dont talk to you for 22 hours
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Finalprayers
1. Why bring FR to smeb.
2. WHY USE FR AT BODY?! emotion_facepalm
3. Why bring 2 passives to smeb.
4. Why wonder why you're dying 'cause fr is attacking arms making them shoot out rockets every 2 friggin' seconds.

WHAT THE BRICK MANG. emotion_bigvein

I bring FR to Smeb emotion_donotwant
I bring hack mantis FR and FF
******** FR past Robo caves.

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