IS GOD REAL?

[XXx-Revolutionary-LoveXXx]

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[Doctor Bravado]

Your Copypasta proves nothing at all.

[XXx-Revolutionary-LoveXXx]

even if i knew what that means i still wouldnt get it?

[Kit Lanholster]

I believe that their is a higher power but I don't know if that is for sure. What you typed up there doesn' t prove anything. People lie all the time for one thing and as for finding a piece of wood that "might" have been from the ark, that's just dumb. It could have been from any kind of object from a long time ago. You don't know. Also the stone that Moses "might" have tapped on? How the hell do you know Moses tapped on that stone? Back then Moses would have carried a wooden walking stick. Not the metal ones we have now, and i don't think wood would make much of a dent if he did hit it against a stone. Don't get me wrong. I'm glad you believe in something. That's more than most. I myself am still looking for a religion to believe in but don't go looking for proof in your religion and don't go trying to convince other people you are right. That's not how this works. Your supposed to have faith. So don't be pushy.

[Suki_Chan_Kaggy]

I believe that God is real.
But I think the modified Bible is a half-truth half-lie book basis on generations of Kings that wanted it to adapt to modern life. =P

You should take lessons in how to make a proper "Is God real?" thread. The Atheists of Gaia are winning the battle. D:

[Ratreoz]

@OP: FSM did all that.

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You should take lessons in how to make a proper "Is God real?" thread.

What is a proper goddidit thread?

[Vanforte]

XXx-Revolutionary-LoveXXx

in my book theres no such thing as an atheist b/c atheists have no real proof theres no God, and also when they think they have found proof theres no God we always have an answer to back up our proof.

#1 You can not prove a negative.
#2 You do not have real proof there is a God. If you did there would be no discussion on the matter.
#3 A belief does not require proof and neither does disbelief. Knowledge, on the other hand, does. To know there is a God means you need proof, to believe there is a God does not require anything other than your own faith.

[bastiolo]

God IS real. Now tell me... Do you REALLY believe that the earth, a very nice round planet with the exact circumstances for people to live on it, is suddenly there, because two meteores bumped against each other? I don't. Do you really believe that something so accurate and tiny but of so much importance like DNA is just here because it's here? I don't. I KNOW God exists. If you don't believe in Him, pray. Pray for a sign from the Lord like I did. He really exists...

[Ratreoz]

bastiolo

God IS real.

Nope.

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Now tell me... Do you REALLY believe that the earth, a very nice round planet with the exact circumstances for people to live on it, is suddenly there, because two meteores bumped against each other? I don't.

Two meteors? That's news to me...

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Do you really believe that something so accurate and tiny but of so much importance like DNA is just here because it's here? I don't.

Actually, since DNA is replicating, you could say that DNA causes itself, so it really is here because it is here... or something...

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I KNOW God exists.

The knowledge of a man often has little to do with reality.

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If you don't believe in Him, pray. Pray for a sign from the Lord like I did. He really exists...

So... you want me to pray to something that doesn't exist? That's impossible, I'm afraid.

[bastiolo]

If you think He doesnt exist, than at least try, since it wont hurt you then...

[Vanforte]

bastiolo

God IS real. Now tell me... Do you REALLY believe that the earth, a very nice round planet with the exact circumstances for people to live on it, is suddenly there, because two meteores bumped against each other? I don't. Do you really believe that something so accurate and tiny but of so much importance like DNA is just here because it's here? I don't. I KNOW God exists. If you don't believe in Him, pray. Pray for a sign from the Lord like I did. He really exists...

Imagine we lock everyone on earth in a seperate room and each room has a machine. In this machine are 10 standard decks of cards. From each deck, one at a time, the machine draws a card and shows the person. If it is anything but the ace of hearts it kills them instantly. If it is the ace of hearts it goes to the next deck and repeats this process until it gets to the last deck. If all 10 cards are the ace of hearts then the door opens and they are free to go.

Now everybody left alive on earth will have seen 10 aces of hearts come up and they will conclude it must have been divine intervention. The problem is any other combination and they will not have survived to make the conjecture.

The point to all that? If those circumstances had not been there we would not be here to discuss it now would we? It may have been a 1 in 900,000,000,000,000 chance that all this came together to create life but we were not around to see the other 899,999,999,999,999 possibilities so we assume intent behind it.

[Vanforte]

bastiolo

If you think He doesnt exist, than at least try, since it wont hurt you then...

Ah, good 'ol Pascal's wager. Here are some problems with that straight from:

http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/wager.html

The flaws
The most obvious problems with Pascal's Wager are:

How do you know which God to believe in? There are plenty to choose from, and if you pick the wrong one, you could be in big trouble (e.g. what if you choose Jesus, but get to heaven only to come face-to-trunk with Ganesh?). This is known as the "Avoiding the wrong Hell problem". If a dozen people of different religions came to you with Pascal's Wager, how could you possibly choose between them? After all, many religions are quite specific that they are the One True Religion, and not any others. Jesus Christ said "I am the way, the truth and the light. None shall come to the Father except through me." [emphasis added] and no doubt most other religions make similar claims. If a Christian considers the Wager as strong support for his faith, surely he must accept that it is equally valid for all other religions when presented to himself?
God is not stupid. Won't He know that you're just trying to get a free ride into Heaven? How can you sincerely believe in a God simply out of convenience?
If there is no God, you have still lost something. You have wasted a good portion of your life performing the various devotional rituals, attending Churches, praying, reading scripture and discussing your deity with His other followers. Not to mention giving your hard-earned money to the church, wasting your intelligence on theological endeavours and boring the hell out of people who really don't want to hear your Good News.
Can you get away with just sort of generally believing in a Supreme Being, without specifically believing in one particular Deity? Probably not - God will still know what you're up to. Also, many Gods are quite particular about how they should be worshipped. Many born-again Christians will tell you that the only way to Heaven is through accepting Jesus Christ as your personal saviour - nothing more and nothing less. General-Deity-Belief and being nice simply won't do. Many people believe that all the different religions are merely alternative routes to the same destination. Nice and tolerant (if a little warm'n'fuzzy) though this may be, there is no valid reason to accept this stance over the fire-and-brimstone fundamentalist position : if the fundies are right, then the un-Saved liberal theists are in just as much trouble as the nonbelievers.
Few, if any, atheists disbelieve in deities out of choice. It's not as if we know the god is really there, but somehow refuse to believe in it (for example, see if you can choose to truly believe that Australia does not exist). Most atheists disbelieve simply because they know of no compelling evidence to suggest that any sort of god exists. If you want an atheist to believe, show her some good evidence, don't just say it's in her best interests to believe even if there is no god. A person cannot choose to sincerely believe in something, just because it is pragmatic to do so. Sure, you could say all the right prayers and attend church regularly, but that is not the same thing as actually believing, and any God worth his salt would obviously see straight through that.
It is quite insulting. It amounts to a thinly veiled threat, little better than saying "Believe in my God or He'll send you to Hell" (in fact, this is often the form it is presented in). Also, the theist making this threat assumes that the atheist believes there is a Hell or a God to send her there in the first place. If you don't believe in Hell anyway, it's not a scary thing to be threatened with - a bit like saying "If you don't start believing in unicorns, one will trample you to death while you're sleeping." Who would be worried by that?
It is often self-refuting, depending on the person's description of God. If you believe that God will forgive anyone for anything, or judge people purely on how they lived their life and not what they believed, or that everyone gets to Heaven regardless (unless maybe they were genocidal cannibal serial killers), then the Wager is meaningless. You might as well say "Believe in God, or you'll... erm... go to Heaven anyway." In such a case, it doesn't make a scrap of difference whether the person believes or not.

[ArcticFox320]

Vanforte

bastiolo

God IS real. Now tell me... Do you REALLY believe that the earth, a very nice round planet with the exact circumstances for people to live on it, is suddenly there, because two meteores bumped against each other? I don't. Do you really believe that something so accurate and tiny but of so much importance like DNA is just here because it's here? I don't. I KNOW God exists. If you don't believe in Him, pray. Pray for a sign from the Lord like I did. He really exists...

Imagine we lock everyone on earth in a seperate room and each room has a machine. In this machine are 10 standard decks of cards. From each deck, one at a time, the machine draws a card and shows the person. If it is anything but the ace of hearts it kills them instantly. If it is the ace of hearts it goes to the next deck and repeats this process until it gets to the last deck. If all 10 cards are the ace of hearts then the door opens and they are free to go.

Now everybody left alive on earth will have seen 10 aces of hearts come up and they will conclude it must have been divine intervention. The problem is any other combination and they will not have survived to make the conjecture.

The point to all that? If those circumstances had not been there we would not be here to discuss it now would we? It may have been a 1 in 900,000,000,000,000 chance that all this came together to create life but we were not around to see the other 899,999,999,999,999 possibilities so we assume intent behind it.

Bah, I typed up a whole post on this only to have it made obsolete by your beautiful analogy.

[Vanforte]

ArcticFox320

Bah, I typed up a whole post on this only to have it made obsolete by your beautiful analogy.

Thanks. I got the idea in a philosophy of religion class I took in my undergraduate.