Flemavenger
Elf Lord Chiewn
If you are Christian and opposing gay marriage, you are:
violating the Law of Agape (specifically, Matthew 22:39, Mark 12:31, Matthew 19:19, Romans 13:9), which is at the core of Yeshua's teachings.
I love homosexuals the same way I love all my neighbors. I merely believe that homosexuality is a sin. I also love muderers, but I believe that murder is a sin.
Given this premise, I believe there is a clear distinction between considering homosexuality to be sinful and supporting the oppression of homosexuals. I hold opposition to gay marriage to be the latter.
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judging your fellow man, which is warned against in the bible (Matthew 7:1-2, Luke 6:37).
These scriptures are subject to interpretation. Although some Christians condemn homosexuals to Hell, I do not. I feel that simply by believe homosexuality to be a sin, I am not judging anyone. If by simply believing that something is a sin I am sinning, or passing judgement, then we wouldn't be permitted to believe that anything is a sin.
While I understand how a conceptual belief might be removed from practice or action against others, I do not consider the belief in question to be accurate, or to be justification for opposing gay marriage.
And if one person is somehow harmed due to the prevalence of that belief, I consider that to be a sin.
Flemavenger
To me, this sounds like you are the one raping the Bible.
I disagree, as I am certain you expected. LDS texts and doctrine aside, I believe the bible does not support, and certainly does not explicitly dictate, the idea that homosexuality is a sin.
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raping the bible, as homosexuality is not a sin. Don't worry, we'll get to this in great detail, I'm sure. Don't even bother posting "NO UR WRONG" unless you're prepared to post verses along with your assertions.
Romans 1:
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
I will stand by this scripture and I feel that Ananel's arguments against it are weak. I'm too lazy to adress his arguments in this post but I'll probably be compelled to in another post.
I'm sure we'll get into this later as well, though I believe I ought to clarify that Ananel's arguments were against common interpretations of the original text and not against the biblical text, and that I disagree with the Infallibility Doctrine. As such, I should mention that I do not consider Paul to be an exceptionally reliable source, nor do I consider his epistles, which were not written to you or me, to be especially relevant.
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arguing against equal rights for a people who are hardly different from the norm and who never offended you.
Though they may have offended God.
As might be reasonably expected of any man. Two wrongs do not make a right, one wrong does not make a right, and it is not the place of man to pronounce divine judgment as though he knew the mind of God.
Flemavenger
I have no rights that homosexuals do not have. I can get married, and so can they. I cannot get married to someone of my gender, and neither can they.
However, as a heterosexual, you have the legal right to marry those whom you are sexually attracted to, and those whom you desire to enter into a lifetime partnership with, whereas homosexuals are not afforded this right. This is unfair, and while it may not appear to be anti-gay at first glance, it is. Homosexuals are those most affected by this, and to the best of my knowledge there is no legal or constitutional reason why this ought to be law.
