If you are against gay marriage, you are a bad Christian.

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I got more info. about it and this what I got:

According to the Book of Genesis, Sodom (Hebrew: סְדוֹם, Standard Sədom Tiberian Səḏôm, Greek Σόδομα) and Gomorrah (Hebrew: עֲמוֹרָה, Standard ʿAmora Tiberian Ġəmôrāh, ʿĂmôrāh, Greek Γόμορρα) were two cities destroyed by God for their sins.

For the sins of their inhabitants Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboim were destroyed by "brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven" (Genesis 19:24-25). Since then, their names are synonymous with impenitent sin, and their fall with a proverbial manifestation of God's just wrath (Jude 1:7).

The story of Sodom has given rise to words in several languages, including English: the word "sodomy", meaning acts (stigmatized as "unnatural vice" wink such as homosexuality and a**l sex, and the word "sodomite", meaning one who practices such acts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah

[Striga]

Suki_Chan_Kaggy

"If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death." 1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals" 1 Tim 1:9-10 "realizing the fact that (civil) law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers" Rom 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."

http://www.bible.ca/s-homo=sin.htm

Leviticus 18: In Leviticus 18:22 it is written:

"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." (NIV)

In and of itself, it seems very clear. But look at the surrounding context, and something more comes to bear on this verse.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/dixon_03.htm

You know what else the bible condemns?
Shaving, tattoos, eating pork or shellfish, and wearing poly-cotton blend clothing.

Do you consider any of those to be acceptable?

Suki_Chan_Kaggy

Question: "What does the Bible say about gay marriage / same sex marriage?"


Answer: Before we look at gay marriage / same sex marriage, first we have to remember what the Bible says about homosexuality. The Bible clearly and consistently tells us that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9).

Ah, good old Leviticus. Do you consider it a sin for a man to touch a woman who is having her period? How about crop rotation?

Suki_Chan_Kaggy

God does not create a person with homosexual desires. A person becomes a homosexual because of sin (Romans 1:24-27),

Bullshit. Not only is it wrong, but Romans doesn't even claim that.

Suki_Chan_Kaggy

and ultimately because of his or her own choice.

Care to explain to all of the people who have been assaulted because they were gay, to all the families of people who were killed for being gay, that it was a choice? All the people who have been oppressed because of it? Care to explain to them how they're choosing to suffer?
How about all the gay people who have tried desperately for years to be straight but can't? Want to explain it to them how they're choosing to be gay despite the fact that if they had a choice, they'd be straight?

Suki_Chan_Kaggy

A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins.

Or maybe more like how people might be born with blond hair or a predisposition to heart disease.

Suki_Chan_Kaggy

That does not excuse the person choosing to sin by giving into their sinful desires.

You know what the bible says about people who can't keep themselves from temptation? It says they should get married so they can indulge themselves without sinning.

You're denying them a way to avoid sin.

Suki_Chan_Kaggy

If a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger / rage, does that make it right for them to give into those desires? Of course not! The same is true for homosexuality.

Prove it or shut the ******** up. Homosexuality is not an emotion. Prove it's comparable to anger in any way.

Suki_Chan_Kaggy

We also have to remember that homosexuality is just as forgivable a sin as all other sins.

Except that nobody here's been able to form a convincing argument that it's a sin at all. In 300 pages of this thread and several other threads like it.

Suki_Chan_Kaggy

God’s forgiveness is just as available to a homosexual as it is to an adulterer, idol worshipper, murderer, thief, etc.

Prove homosexuality is anything like any of those. Especially considering all those others are directly based on actions, not on inherent parts of your personality.

Suki_Chan_Kaggy

God’s love and desire to save extends to homosexuals (John 3:16; Romans 5:8 ). God also promises the strength for victory over sin, including homosexuality, to all those who will believe in Jesus Christ for their salvation (1 Corinthians 6:11; 2 Corinthians 5:17).

Then explain why the Exodus group, and other "ex-gay" "therapy" groups have such a pathetic "success" rate, something along the lines of .5%, if I recall correctly.

Suki_Chan_Kaggy

http://www.gotquestions.org/gay-marriage.html

[ want more? ]

Keep trying, maybe you'll hit a decent argument eventually.

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Roxas_00

You silly goose. Comuputers werent made back then. You can do anything you want if it pleases God. The computer is a great source of information, some people just misuse it that all.

Me, earlier in this thread

[Lena E.]

There has always been gays though, but has there always been computers. Dun dun dah!

Ok, was Japan in the Bible? How about anti-bacterial agents?

[Striga]

Roxas_00

Can you state a verse in the Bible that it is ok for same sex marriage?

Can you state a verse in the Bible that it is ok for brain surgery? Or penicillin? How about sitting on rocks? Does the bible specifically say it's ok to sit on rocks?

[Striga]

Roxas_00

In leviticus it states that if you lie with the same sex is an abomination

In Leviticus it also says not to eat pork. Not even Catholics follow that rule.

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Roxas_00

Dont you think the people of that time would be confused about a computer.

Of course they weren't Bill Gates wasn't born yet. [ At that time people would laugh at new inventions ( Like light bulb, first airplane, etc. ] xp

Bill Gates didn't invent the computer. He didn't even invent the graphical user interface.

[Elf Lord Chiewn]

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Suki_Chan_Kaggy

I am still 100% aganist Gay marriage. And even if it says that 'If you are against gay marriage, you are a bad Christian' <--- The title is bias. mad It really makes me question if chistainity is good or not. <------[ My opinon. xp ]

So, if Christianity does not condemn homosexuality, then you think the religion is a bad religion?

Question:
Does the Bible talk about Lut [ A.S. ] ( a.k.a. LOT ) ? Just wondering. xp

I think in that part of the bible concerninc Sodom, Lot offered up his daughters to be raped by the villagers, who I think had men and women amonghst them, unless it is not specific. The angels themselves were genderless. Marshal and the others could answer the more specifics.

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In th Qur'an Lut [ A.S. ] never did that. Their village [ AD people. ] were marrying the same gender and Allah [ swt ] punished them. The Bible has a way different perspective on Lut [ A.S. ]. sweatdrop

Making the stories far different from one another, if that is the way of it. Though I did think it was the combination of their turning from their women and their attempted rape of newcomers that made the full account.

Regardless, I was under the impression that homosexual acts are what are warned against for adherents of Islam.

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Roxas_00

Can you state a verse in the Bible that it is ok for same sex marriage?

Can you state a verse in the Bible that it is ok for brain surgery? Or penicillin? How about sitting on rocks? Does the bible specifically say it's ok to sit on rocks?

1]It isn't good to answer a question with a question. It makes it look like you don't know the answer. You should always answer a question with full answer. [ I'm just saying, I'm not trying to be rude. ]

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Striga

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Roxas_00

Dont you think the people of that time would be confused about a computer.

Of course they weren't Bill Gates wasn't born yet. [ At that time people would laugh at new inventions ( Like light bulb, first airplane, etc. ] xp

Bill Gates didn't invent the computer. He didn't even invent the graphical user interface.

I know he made the ISP. [ It was a joke.... ]

[Elf Lord Chiewn]

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Elf Lord Chiewn

Canton_Samurai

okay, the verse is in 1 Corinthians 6:9, it's in New international version

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitues nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will in herit the kingdom of God."

the New King James version is a bit fuzzy "9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, (<- weren't the people at that time only addressed to the man, so i think this means basically the same thing as homosexual offenders)
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

anyways, i don't know how to read Greek, i don't know what the original translation meant...

And neither does ANYONE ELSE. Read the second post.

Ananel kind of can...
and I'm trying! crying

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I didn't mean reading Greek. I meant knowing what on earth some of that stuff meant. (I'm assuming that by "original translation" "original version" was meant.) Asking a Greek scholar for a black-and-white, iron-clad definition of what arsenokoites meant is like asking one of the Garriot brothers for the key to the Origin Systems executive washroom.

(For those unfamiliar, Origin Systems no longer exists.)

Analyzing Greek isn't going to help with a word that has no definition.

[Elf Lord Chiewn]

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Roxas_00

Can you state a verse in the Bible that it is ok for same sex marriage?

Can you state a verse in the Bible that it is ok for brain surgery? Or penicillin? How about sitting on rocks? Does the bible specifically say it's ok to sit on rocks?

1]It isn't good to answer a question with a question. It makes it look like you don't know the answer. You always answer a question with full answer. [ I'm just saying, I'm not trying to be rude. ]

It's reductio ad absurdum. Asking for a verse of validation is functionally useless when the only divine laws you can possibly break are those which are revealed.

The bible (for all intents and purposes, Yeshua's words) isn't terribly finite.
It gives a few things to do, and suggests that there are some things that should not be done. That's pretty much it.

[Elf Lord Chiewn]

Roxas_00

The law of Agape (the law of love) what does that have to do with gay marriage.

Try reading the first post. There might be candy!

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Elf Lord Chiewn

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Striga

Roxas_00

Can you state a verse in the Bible that it is ok for same sex marriage?

Can you state a verse in the Bible that it is ok for brain surgery? Or penicillin? How about sitting on rocks? Does the bible specifically say it's ok to sit on rocks?

1]It isn't good to answer a question with a question. It makes it look like you don't know the answer. You always answer a question with full answer. [ I'm just saying, I'm not trying to be rude. ]

It's reductio ad absurdum. Asking for a verse of validation is functionally useless when the only divine laws you can possibly break are those which are revealed.

The bible (for all intents and purposes, Yeshua's words) isn't terribly finite.
It gives a few things to do, and suggests that there are some things that should not be done. That's pretty much it.

Oh. Then why do you say that if people who aren't accepting homosexuality in marriage it means that they aren’t Christian. Is there proof stating the same words in the Bible? [ I’m just asking, out of curiosity. Sorry if it rude. xp ]

[Oblivious Sage]

Elf Lord Chiewn

Roxas_00

The law of Agape (the law of love) what does that have to do with gay marriage.

Try reading the first post. There might be candy!

Candy? Hot damn! I better go read it again!

[Oblivious Sage]

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Elf Lord Chiewn

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Striga

Roxas_00

Can you state a verse in the Bible that it is ok for same sex marriage?

Can you state a verse in the Bible that it is ok for brain surgery? Or penicillin? How about sitting on rocks? Does the bible specifically say it's ok to sit on rocks?

1]It isn't good to answer a question with a question. It makes it look like you don't know the answer. You always answer a question with full answer. [ I'm just saying, I'm not trying to be rude. ]

It's reductio ad absurdum. Asking for a verse of validation is functionally useless when the only divine laws you can possibly break are those which are revealed.

The bible (for all intents and purposes, Yeshua's words) isn't terribly finite.
It gives a few things to do, and suggests that there are some things that should not be done. That's pretty much it.

Oh. Then why do you say that if people who aren't accepting homosexuality in marriage it means that they aren’t Christian. Is there proof stating the same words in the Bible? [ I’m just asking, out of curiosity. Sorry if it rude. xp ]

Because while the Bible doesn't clearly say anything about homosexuality, it does say that sex outside of marriage is wrong. Therefore opposing gay marriage essentially forces homosexuals to live in sin, which isn't something a Christian should do.