If you are against gay marriage, you are a bad Christian.

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yankeefan72

well even if i don't agree with you guys i have to admit you aren't lukewarm

? wtf does that mean?

honstly I'm rather cold right now, so I'm quite confused here.

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yankeefan72

linaloki

yankeefan72

how do you know his mind didn't change since jesus then

Because He hasn't told us so? And that would be a bitchy thing to do?

"Sorry, guys. Yeah, I know I told you that Christ was the way to get into Heaven... But I decided that was too easy. I changed it to 'You've gotta win 14 Hopscotch Tournaments.' My bad."

yankeefan72

also when did god not love humans i have to wonder

Genesis 6:6-7

The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them."

My mistake for saying hate. Regret is a better word.

both mormons and moslims belive he has

ok then when did he regret humans

do you just read the last line of someones argument? look up.

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yankeefan72

linaloki

yankeefan72

John Calvin

yankeefan72

he woln't except that its ot remember

Regardless, it's there. And if not, then the same would have to be about him quoting Genesis. But, I don't think that just because he does not believe that Christians are bound by Ceremonial Laws, that he denies the Tanakh altogether.

all of the ot is there perfect
that includes leviticus

I, again

Topic 2, Leviticus: Christian Law?

Leviticus 19:27, NIV

Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.

So. Those that shave are sinning.

Leviticus 19:19, NIV

Keep my decrees.
Do not mate different kinds of animals.
Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.
Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.

So. Those that crop in cycles, wear polyester cotton mixes, or breed mules are sinning.

Leviticus 15, NIV

The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'When any man has a bodily discharge, the discharge is unclean. Whether it continues flowing from his body or is blocked, it will make him unclean. This is how his discharge will bring about uncleanness:

" 'Any bed the man with a discharge lies on will be unclean, and anything he sits on will be unclean. Anyone who touches his bed must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Whoever sits on anything that the man with a discharge sat on must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening.

" 'Whoever touches the man who has a discharge must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening.

" 'If the man with the discharge spits on someone who is clean, that person must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening.

" 'Everything the man sits on when riding will be unclean, and whoever touches any of the things that were under him will be unclean till evening; whoever picks up those things must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening.

" 'Anyone the man with a discharge touches without rinsing his hands with water must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening.

" 'A clay pot that the man touches must be broken, and any wooden article is to be rinsed with water.

" 'When a man is cleansed from his discharge, he is to count off seven days for his ceremonial cleansing; he must wash his clothes and bathe himself with fresh water, and he will be clean. On the eighth day he must take two doves or two young pigeons and come before the LORD to the entrance to the Tent of Meeting and give them to the priest. The priest is to sacrifice them, the one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. In this way he will make atonement before the LORD for the man because of his discharge.

" 'When a man has an emission of semen, he must bathe his whole body with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Any clothing or leather that has semen on it must be washed with water, and it will be unclean till evening. When a man lies with a woman and there is an emission of semen, both must bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.

" 'When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening.

" 'Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean. Whoever touches her bed must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Whoever touches anything she sits on must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Whether it is the bed or anything she was sitting on, when anyone touches it, he will be unclean till evening.

" 'If a man lies with her and her monthly flow touches him, he will be unclean for seven days; any bed he lies on will be unclean.

" 'When a woman has a discharge of blood for many days at a time other than her monthly period or has a discharge that continues beyond her period, she will be unclean as long as she has the discharge, just as in the days of her period. Any bed she lies on while her discharge continues will be unclean, as is her bed during her monthly period, and anything she sits on will be unclean, as during her period. Whoever touches them will be unclean; he must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening.

" 'When she is cleansed from her discharge, she must count off seven days, and after that she will be ceremonially clean. On the eighth day she must take two doves or two young pigeons and bring them to the priest at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting. The priest is to sacrifice one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. In this way he will make atonement for her before the LORD for the uncleanness of her discharge.

" 'You must keep the Israelites separate from things that make them unclean, so they will not die in their uncleanness for defiling my dwelling place, which is among them.' "

These are the regulations for a man with a discharge, for anyone made unclean by an emission of semen, for a woman in her monthly period, for a man or a woman with a discharge, and for a man who lies with a woman who is ceremonially unclean.

So. Semen is "unclean". Women on periods must be cast out due to their uncleanliness.

Leviticus 11, NIV

The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, "Say to the Israelites: 'Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones you may eat: You may eat any animal that has a split hoof completely divided and that chews the cud.

" 'There are some that only chew the cud or only have a split hoof, but you must not eat them. The camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you. The coney, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you. The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you. And the pig, though it has a split hoof completely divided, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.

" 'Of all the creatures living in the water of the seas and the streams, you may eat any that have fins and scales. But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales-whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water-you are to detest. And since you are to detest them, you must not eat their meat and you must detest their carcasses. Anything living in the water that does not have fins and scales is to be detestable to you.

" 'These are the birds you are to detest and not eat because they are detestable: the eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, the red kite, any kind of black kite, any kind of raven, the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.

" 'All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you. There are, however, some winged creatures that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground. Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper. But all other winged creatures that have four legs you are to detest.

" 'You will make yourselves unclean by these; whoever touches their carcasses will be unclean till evening. Whoever picks up one of their carcasses must wash his clothes, and he will be unclean till evening.

" 'Every animal that has a split hoof not completely divided or that does not chew the cud is unclean for you; whoever touches the carcass of any of them will be unclean. Of all the animals that walk on all fours, those that walk on their paws are unclean for you; whoever touches their carcasses will be unclean till evening. Anyone who picks up their carcasses must wash his clothes, and he will be unclean till evening. They are unclean for you.

" 'Of the animals that move about on the ground, these are unclean for you: the weasel, the rat, any kind of great lizard, the gecko, the monitor lizard, the wall lizard, the skink and the chameleon. Of all those that move along the ground, these are unclean for you. Whoever touches them when they are dead will be unclean till evening. When one of them dies and falls on something, that article, whatever its use, will be unclean, whether it is made of wood, cloth, hide or sackcloth. Put it in water; it will be unclean till evening, and then it will be clean. If one of them falls into a clay pot, everything in it will be unclean, and you must break the pot. Any food that could be eaten but has water on it from such a pot is unclean, and any liquid that could be drunk from it is unclean. Anything that one of their carcasses falls on becomes unclean; an oven or cooking pot must be broken up. They are unclean, and you are to regard them as unclean. A spring, however, or a cistern for collecting water remains clean, but anyone who touches one of these carcasses is unclean. If a carcass falls on any seeds that are to be planted, they remain clean. But if water has been put on the seed and a carcass falls on it, it is unclean for you.

" 'If an animal that you are allowed to eat dies, anyone who touches the carcass will be unclean till evening. Anyone who eats some of the carcass must wash his clothes, and he will be unclean till evening. Anyone who picks up the carcass must wash his clothes, and he will be unclean till evening.

" 'Every creature that moves about on the ground is detestable; it is not to be eaten. You are not to eat any creature that moves about on the ground, whether it moves on its belly or walks on all fours or on many feet; it is detestable. Do not defile yourselves by any of these creatures. Do not make yourselves unclean by means of them or be made unclean by them. I am the LORD your God; consecrate yourselves and be holy, because I am holy. Do not make yourselves unclean by any creature that moves about on the ground. I am the LORD who brought you up out of Egypt to be your God; therefore be holy, because I am holy.

" 'These are the regulations concerning animals, birds, every living thing that moves in the water and every creature that moves about on the ground. You must distinguish between the unclean and the clean, between living creatures that may be eaten and those that may not be eaten.' "

So. You can't eat lobster or crawfish. Or pork.

So why just pick at the verses against homosexuals? Oh, by the way. Christians do not have to follow Levitican Law.

Acts 10:10-16, NIV

He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. It contained all kinds of fourfooted animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."

“Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean." The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean." This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

Suddenly the animals aren't unclean. Oh, and here.

Acts 15:24-29, NIV

We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul– men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.

If you are Christian, you are not to follow the Levitican laws, as mentioned in Acts 15. If you are Jewish, either follow all the laws, or just realize that you're not doing so hot as a Jew and don't follow any.

notice how that list isn't comprihensive

Do you notice how you are using the word comprehensive wrong in that scentance which makes me wonder if you know what it means and therefore UNDERSTAND THE ABOVE POST?

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murder
stealing dishonoring your parents
but one that is Sexual immorality

Yes, what Linoki is pointing out is, if you follow one law of the OT YOU GODDAMN FOLLOW THEM ALL.
THAT INCLUDES NO SHAVING, NO COTTEN POLYESTER, NO MUMMY IN HOUSE WITH PERIOD.
do you understand?
If you use the LAW to condem Muder, Lying, Stealing
THE LAW, (keep that in mind)
THE LAW.
then you have to obay ALL OF THE LAW.

remember, LAW
this includes the 10 commandments yes.

CHRISTIANS DO NOT HAVE TO OBAY THE LAW

In fact by merrit of being Christians we are compelled not to.

STOP THINKING NOW.

This does not mean we are compelled to do everything OPPOSITE the law, or to forcefully go AGAINST the law.
NO.
Jesus gave a NEW LAW. Which was love God and love all humanity.
Now if you love someone, will you steal from them?
Would you kill them?
would you disrespect them in any way?
Considering how Love is defined in 1 Cor 13 NO.

Do. you. understand???

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yankeefan72

Barbie Hates Math

Hmm. As much as I am pro gay marriage, I really don't think that being against it makes you a bad Christian.

Regardless of one's opinion on homosexuality, it is VERY unchristian to look down upon homosexuals (or anyone else) or treat them as inferior on a personal basis. There is no denying that.

However, given that the Bible never says that homosexuality is a sin, it never condones it either. Thus leaving it to us to determine whether it is right or wrong. Also, if this quote from the first post is true:

"marriage is a legal term, and does not mean "Christian partnership" or any other such nonsense"

then it is also up to people to define marriage, and pass laws accordingly. Therefore, it would probably be best to remove the issue of religion from the gay marriage debate completely, and whatever stance someone may take on the subject should not determine whether they are a good or a bad Christian.

i beg to differ please read the last 5 pages as i dont want to repeat myself

ps but someone can be wrong without being a "bad christin"

Yes they can.
If someone is wrong, and people correct them, and they refuse the corrections, and even the debate over the corections, and they continue to teach their incorrect teachings, then they are teaching others to sin.
Not only does it make them a bad Christian, and not a Christian but an anti-christian. But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
I mean it's okay for you to have wrong belief so long as you don't impose it upon someone else. and so long as you have debated and justified your belief. If two wise men come togeather and cannot reach an agreement, they are not bad Christians, but they must bear the sin of their brother in the meantime.

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yankeefan72

if you guys are going to put in human opinions without listening to the bible then goodbye

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ho s**t I havent a ******** clue what I'm talking about and I got so owned
*RUNS*

[MagicJade]

I don't support homosexual marriges. Now, I remember reading something about God destroying a city of homosexuals. It's not the way things were set up at the begining of time, so it shouldn't be that way.

I know I'm gonna get a lot of pies in the face, but that's just what I know. I simply think that they need someone to pray for them, and you know get back on tract. No, not gonna force them to be straight. Just sort of a nudge in that direction. I don't like it when Christians are pushy, so I choose not to. Thanxx!

[Little Byakuya]

MagicJade

I don't support homosexual marriges.

Explain why not supporting them is in any way acceptable.

MagicJade

Now, I remember reading something about God destroying a city of homosexuals.

You read wrong.

MagicJade

It's not the way things were set up at the begining of time, so it shouldn't be that way.

Appeal to tradition fallacy.
Also, prove or concede.

MagicJade

I know I'm gonna get a lot of pies in the face, but that's just what I know.

So...you "know" a lot of pseudo-facts.

MagicJade

I simply think that they need someone to pray for them, and you know get back on tract. No, not gonna force them to be straight. Just sort of a nudge in that direction. I don't like it when Christians are pushy, so I choose not to. Thanxx!

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[Jaaten Syric]

MagicJade

I don't support homosexual marriges. Now, I remember reading something about God destroying a city of homosexuals. It's not the way things were set up at the begining of time, so it shouldn't be that way.

What, Soddom? You may want to re-read that, as Soddom and Gomorrah are destroyed for breaking the laws of hospitality and for rape.

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I know I'm gonna get a lot of pies in the face, but that's just what I know.

No, it is what you have been lead to believe, there is a clear difference between the two.

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I simply think that they need someone to pray for them, and you know get back on tract. No, not gonna force them to be straight. Just sort of a nudge in that direction.

So you want them to lie to themselves and others so you don't have to think about challenging your ideals? How noble.

[TrunkstheSlayer]

MagicJade

I don't support homosexual marriges.

read the first post BEFORE typing in the thread

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Now, I remember reading something about God destroying a city of homosexuals.

To bad no such event EVER occurs Biblically

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It's not the way things were set up at the begining of time, so it shouldn't be that way.

Then why are you on a computer?

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I know I'm gonna get a lot of pies in the face, but that's just what I know.

False, it's what you believe. Big difference

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I simply think that they need someone to pray for them, and you know get back on tract.

To bad it's proven FACT that you can't change a person's sexuality

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No, not gonna force them to be straight. Just sort of a nudge in that direction. I don't like it when Christians are pushy, so I choose not to. Thanxx!

Stay out of ED if you're going to be this rude again. The first post is there and it proves you wrong. READ IT NEXT TIME BEFORE YOU POST

[Rookherst[KOS]]

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I simply think that they need someone to pray for them, and you know get back on tract. No, not gonna force them to be straight. Just sort of a nudge in that direction. I don't like it when Christians are pushy, so I choose not to.

I forgot that part in the Bible were it says I have to nudge lesbians with my p***s until they go spread eagle for me.

[Jaaten Syric]

Where's Marshal at a time like this? It would have been amazing if we could have had all the baby-eaters rape her on this nigh simultaneously.

[linaloki]

MagicJade

I don't support homosexual marriges.

Therefore you fail at treating people equally.

MagicJade

Now, I remember reading something about God destroying a city of homosexuals.

I remember reading something about this guy, see. His name was Al? He mopped floors. And he had a dog. It was a tiny dog, white with brown spots. I think his name was Eddie. Hehe, Ed and Al. It's, like, FMA. Woah. Anyways, see, this guy, Al. He was poor. He mopped floors, I mean, come on. So, one day, these BIRDS, yeah, that's right, BIRDS showed up and they, like, TALKED to Al! It was SOOOO cool! And they invited him to this COOL island with a lot of talking birds and fruit and awesomesauce an-

Oh, wait. That's all a fictional story. Phew. It's a good thing everything we read isn't what really happens.

MagicJade

It's not the way things were set up at the begining of time, so it shouldn't be that way.

The way things were set up in the beginning of time was... drumroll, if you could?

*brapapapapapa-* Oh, screw it. I suck at drumming.

EMPTY. Much like your head seems to be... Mm-hmm.

MagicJade

I know I'm gonna get a lot of pies in the face, but that's just what I know.

No. Not pies. Bibles!

MagicJade

I simply think that they need someone to pray for them, and you know get back on tract.

Back on tract? I've never had to submit myself to those silly little pamphlets and I'm just fine. No, I don't think we need to terrorize homosexuals. How inhumane.

MagicJade

No, not gonna force them to be straight.

But you're going to try?

MagicJade

Just sort of a nudge in that direction.

With phallic objects, or...?

MagicJade

I don't like it when Christians are pushy, so I choose not to. Thanxx!

And I don't like it when people are pious and presumptuous enough to say, "I'll pray for yooooou!" You've got enough to pray for yourself. Like on how to read your Bible.

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Rookherst[KOS]

I forgot that part in the Bible were it says I have to nudge lesbians with my p***s until they go spread eagle for me.

xd

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MagicJade

I don't support homosexual marriges.

I don't support the moajority of peoples sight to vote, doesn't mean I'm not a bad person if I try to stop them.

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Now, I remember reading something about God destroying a city of homosexuals.

Trust me when I say you're remembering it wrong.

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It's not the way things were set up at the begining of time, so it shouldn't be that way.

Proof,

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I know I'm gonna get a lot of pies in the face,

I like pie.

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but that's just what I know.

Misinformation?
Can you say you know it if you only vaugly remember it anyway?

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I simply think that they need someone to pray for them, and you know get back on tract.

clearly everyone in the world is NOT PRAYING HARD ENOUGH, so really, it's your own fault I guess

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No, not gonna force them to be straight. Just sort of a nudge in that direction. I don't like it when Christians are pushy, so I choose not to. Thanxx!

y-ea, cus the rest of society is SO telling them their sexuality is an acceptable norm and not a joke, a freakshow or pure evil that they need your oh so kind and gental nudging by making their want for legal reconition illegal.

[Half Baked SF]

MagicJade

Now, I remember reading something about God destroying a city of homosexuals.

Wrong. God destroyed a city of people who were inhospitable rapists. Rape has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

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It's not the way things were set up at the begining of time, so it shouldn't be that way.

Get off your computer. God didn't have those at the beginning of time, therefore it shouldn't be.

Not everybody has to be the same. If God wanted everyone to reproduce, why did "he" create a carrying capacity on Earth?