If you are against gay marriage, you are a bad Christian.

[linaloki]

yankeefan72

so christians should ignore the ten commandments ok great plan you got there have fun with that

I TOLD you not to bring that up!

Christ's teachings covered the Ten Commandments. They did NOT cover the other laws.

[Pseudo-Onkelos]

yankeefan72

the pharises obeyed the law very strictly. but they didn't seek gods heart. they only wanted to look holy
if god hates gay sex im pretty sure he doen't love homosexuality

p.s. im not saying he doesn't love the people who are homosexual though

Except, I am not a legalist. So, the verse only condemns homosexual sex, but where does it condemn homosexuality? You're only saying that if God hates homosexual sex, then He must also hate homosexuality. Tell me how this does well for you if I said that because sex can be used wrongly, that God hates sex altogether?

[yankeefan72]

John Calvin

yankeefan72

if gods laws don't apply anymore why do we even need grace??

If God's laws do not apply anymore why do we even need grace? The opposite of the Law is grace. Grace is defined as, "undeserved, unmerited favor." We cannot earn grace, but God bestows it liberally on whomever He so chooses. The Law, however, demonstrates to us the goodness of God, while showing how we lack that goodness and are in need of it by the one who possesses this goodness intrinsically. We are not good, but from God comes that goodness. As it is written, "In his days Judah will be saved and Israel will live in safety. This is the name by which he will be called: YHVH Our Righteousness" (Jer. 23:6).

let me ask a question do you belive god is everlasting and unchangeing?

[linaloki]

yankeefan72

John Calvin

yankeefan72

if gods laws don't apply anymore why do we even need grace??

If God's laws do not apply anymore why do we even need grace? The opposite of the Law is grace. Grace is defined as, "undeserved, unmerited favor." We cannot earn grace, but God bestows it liberally on whomever He so chooses. The Law, however, demonstrates to us the goodness of God, while showing how we lack that goodness and are in need of it by the one who possesses this goodness intrinsically. We are not good, but from God comes that goodness. As it is written, "In his days Judah will be saved and Israel will live in safety. This is the name by which he will be called: YHVH Our Righteousness" (Jer. 23:6).

let me ask a question do you belive god is everlasting and unchangeing?

*sigh* God is eternal. That doesn't mean He can't change His mind. He changed His mind about hating humans, didn't He?

[Pseudo-Onkelos]

yankeefan72

let me ask a question do you belive god is everlasting and unchangeing?

Yes. But, I am sure that because I said, "Yes," you are going to say, "Well then, how can God just put aside His laws?" It's the simple fact that before the laws were present, God was.

[yankeefan72]

linaloki

yankeefan72

John Calvin

yankeefan72

if gods laws don't apply anymore why do we even need grace??

If God's laws do not apply anymore why do we even need grace? The opposite of the Law is grace. Grace is defined as, "undeserved, unmerited favor." We cannot earn grace, but God bestows it liberally on whomever He so chooses. The Law, however, demonstrates to us the goodness of God, while showing how we lack that goodness and are in need of it by the one who possesses this goodness intrinsically. We are not good, but from God comes that goodness. As it is written, "In his days Judah will be saved and Israel will live in safety. This is the name by which he will be called: YHVH Our Righteousness" (Jer. 23:6).

let me ask a question do you belive god is everlasting and unchangeing?

*sigh* God is eternal. That doesn't mean He can't change His mind. He changed His mind about hating humans, didn't He?

how do you know his mind didn't change since jesus then
also when did god not love humans i have to wonder

[Pseudo-Onkelos]

linaloki

*sigh* God is eternal. That doesn't mean He can't change His mind. He changed His mind about hating humans, didn't He?

That's too easy of a way out, linaloki, and is in opposition of Numbers 23:19, which says, "God is not a man that He should lie, nor a son of man that He should change His mind. Does He speak and then not act? Does He promise and not fulfill?"

I'm glad I memorized that verse.

[yankeefan72]

John Calvin

linaloki

*sigh* God is eternal. That doesn't mean He can't change His mind. He changed His mind about hating humans, didn't He?

That's too easy of a way out, linaloki, and is in opposition of Numbers 23:19, which says, "God is not a man that He should lie, nor a son of man that He should change His mind. Does He speak and then not act? Does He promise and not fulfill?"

I'm glad I memorized that verse.

he woln't except that its ot remember

[linaloki]

yankeefan72

how do you know his mind didn't change since jesus then

Because He hasn't told us so? And that would be a bitchy thing to do?

"Sorry, guys. Yeah, I know I told you that Christ was the way to get into Heaven... But I decided that was too easy. I changed it to 'You've gotta win 14 Hopscotch Tournaments.' My bad."

yankeefan72

also when did god not love humans i have to wonder

Genesis 6:6-7

The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them."

My mistake for saying hate. Regret is a better word.

[maybecca]

yankeefan72

how do you know his mind didn't change since jesus then
also when did god not love humans i have to wonder

How do you know that god didn't change his mind and make eating chocolate a sin? Burden of proof, silly person.

[yankeefan72]

linaloki

yankeefan72

how do you know his mind didn't change since jesus then

Because He hasn't told us so? And that would be a bitchy thing to do?

"Sorry, guys. Yeah, I know I told you that Christ was the way to get into Heaven... But I decided that was too easy. I changed it to 'You've gotta win 14 Hopscotch Tournaments.' My bad."

yankeefan72

also when did god not love humans i have to wonder

Genesis 6:6-7

The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them."

My mistake for saying hate. Regret is a better word.

both mormons and moslims belive he has

ok then when did he regret humans

[Pseudo-Onkelos]

yankeefan72

he woln't except that its ot remember

Regardless, it's there. And if not, then the same would have to be about him quoting Genesis. But, I don't think that just because he does not believe that Christians are bound by Ceremonial Laws, that he denies the Tanakh altogether.

[linaloki]

John Calvin

linaloki

*sigh* God is eternal. That doesn't mean He can't change His mind. He changed His mind about hating humans, didn't He?

That's too easy of a way out, linaloki, and is in opposition of Numbers 23:19, which says, "God is not a man that He should lie, nor a son of man that He should change His mind. Does He speak and then not act? Does He promise and not fulfill?"

I'm glad I memorized that verse.

Well, perhaps He did not change His mind. Rather, then, He planned to use Christ all along, as the Prophets foretold, and it was all in His plan.

I suppose when I say "Change mind" I mean "think ahead"? I don't really know how to explain it... But I think the Laws were guides to keep the Israelites safe, healthy, and populated. Then Christ came along and the Israelites no longer needed those Laws.

[yankeefan72]

im not saying he did im just saying by your logic that he could have

[linaloki]

yankeefan72

both mormons and moslims belive he has

Neither of which follow the Bible. Hm.

yankeefan72

ok then when did he regret humans

...did you read the verse? Genesis 6:7