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If a person who believes in the Bible does not read it in context, and does not look at the original meaning of the Greek/Hebrew words, and they then minsunderstand the Bible, or twist it to fit their won idea of what's right, they are misinterpreting the Bible and comitting eisegesis.
If a person who does not believe in the Bible still reads it in context, looks at the meanings of the original Geek/Hebrew, and then they only go by what the Bible actually says, then they are understanding the Bible correctly and using exegesis.
The belief in the Bible does not automatically mean understanding it in a correct way, and the non-belief in the Bible does not automatically mean that a person is misunderstanding the Bible.
The Bible, while some believe it to be a Holy Book, is still a piece of literature, and any person comitted to learning or reading literature should be able to read it in context and find the meaning of it's original words.
Well, then why should I believe one person's interpretation of greek and Hebrew over another? There are many sources online and in books, why is it that this one guy is correct? I've looked up hebrew and greek interpretations, and they are totally different from most of what is posted here. Why do I have to give trust to people here and no trust to others? Aren't both sides biased?
You don't
have to.
This is a debate forum.
Let's debate.
First off, if you don't believe Ananel is correct, state why.
Then post all your sources of information, please post every place you've found that have different interpretations of what's posted here.
Give trust to whom you agree with personally, state why you agree with them, and then we'll debate it out.
C'mon now, isn't everybody biased on everything? Don't we all at first judge things by our feelings and experienced? It doesn't matter.
Whoever's information is correct matters.
If you believe someone else is correct, don't be shy about it! Post away!
Let's have an extended discussion!
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Also, Bible scholars themselves don't agree, those that are fluent in the ancient Greek and Hebrew... if those that read Greek and Hebrew don't agree, how can I be sure that one person's statement on both Greek and Hebrew is correct above all others, when the sources he sites are indeed from only one position?
Who's to say that that one position is bad, or that just because one's sources are from one position automatically mkes those sources incorrect?
Maybe that position is the one that's right. Maybe it's wrong. We'll just have to find out.
Maybe those that read Hebrew and Greek actually do agree, and you might be misunderstanding something.
I don't know because I haven't seen any of these disagreements you're talking about!
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SoundDoctrine
Theses.
You find out which one is more logically sound and which one is supported more by good sources.
If you find two theses equalling each other in logic and support, you debate over which one you want to be right. You try and find as much information as possible that supports your side, and you balance that information with whatever you can gather from the opposing side.
Which ever thesis wins the debate, that is the one that is correct.
Okay, I've read Ananel's thesis, checked his sources, looked at scriptures, and I still don't get how people agree with it... what now?
Now you post why you can't understand people not agreeing with it.
What's there to disagree with?
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I'm not trying to be difficult...
Psh.
As long as you're not making logical fallacies (which you're currently not), or posting and running (which I see you're not), then it's okay to be difficult.
This is a debate forum.
Feel free to battle your points out.
A person only becomes difficult when they repeatedly ignore people, baselessly repeat their same old arguements, flame, poison the well, and basically whenever they're bent on making repetitive logical fallacies.
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I just simply can't see how it works out to be in such a way that homosexuality is "okay."
You and everybody else who goes,"Where does the Bible say being homosexual is okay?"
Point is, the Bible doesn't condemn homosexuality as a sin.
The Bible's greatest two commandments is to love your God with all your heart, soul, and mind, and to love your neighbor as yourself.
Can homosexuals do these two things?
Yes.
Then why would anyone think that they are anything but okay?
What separates them from a hetrosexual person?
Why is somone's sexual preference such a,"OMG!!!!!!" thing?
Why does it automatically make a person bad?
The Bible doesn't seem to condemn it. If you can't say,"Yes, the Bible, without a single doubt, definitely condemns homosexuality, so as a good Christian, I will not support homosexuality." then it's not wrong.
They are not bad people.
They can be okay people.
The Bible doesn't mention many things, such as our currently technologies like computer, so even though the Bible does not expressly say,"Computers are okay.", computers can still be okay.
The Bible doesn't need to give full support to homosexual sex for it to be okay.
I believe homosexuals are people too, just like you and me. I believe that God is the creator of people. I believe that God loves people. Thus, I believe that God loves homosexuals. I believe that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality, and on the main premise on love based on the Bible, I believe that I ought to, as a good follower of Christ, do what He would've done, and love people. They are being denied basic human rights, even though they are human. That is not right. Denying them these rights is not loving, and this bigotted hatred should not be based on the Bible.
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Now don't get me wrong, I don't do politics, I've really got nothing to say about gay marriage, I'm not against it, nor am I for it,
How can you be apathetic?
How can you jsut sit back and not say anything?
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I just can't put together how this one person's view is logical.
Is it illogical to you?
Why is it illogical?
If it is not illogical, then it must be logical, yes?
If there is something you find to be illogical, please post it and let us debate about it.
