If you are against gay marriage, you are a bad Christian.

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And I am saying that they are neither.

[Marshal67]

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And I am saying that they are neither.

Well I have to vote for questionable people, at the very least. Many of my friends do not support homosexuals(ironic no?), but I know their hearts are good, they have just been misguided and brainwashed by the church... stare

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And I am saying that they are neither.

Can you accurately comment on their understanding of scripture?

[Elf Lord Chiewn]

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And I am saying that they are neither.

And I am saying prove or concede. I know plenty of people who are against homosexuality itself. I don't necessarily think they are bad people, but I certainly wouldn't call them good Christians.

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And I am saying that they are neither.

Can you accurately comment on their understanding of scripture?

No I can't and if I could I wouldn't. They were taught to believe that it is wrong, and are good Christians.

A good Christian can't be defined by this one thing.

Because I support Gay marriages, people think that I am a bad muslim-however, it is all a matter of perspective.

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And I am saying that they are neither.

Can you accurately comment on their understanding of scripture?

No I can't and if I could I wouldn't. They were taught to believe that it is wrong, and are good Christians.

A good Christian can't be defined by this one thing.

Because I support Gay marriages, people think that I am a bad muslim-however, it is all a matter of perspective.

Fine, but whether or not you believe your close friends are good christians is off-topic anyway. Which is why I asked before if you had read anything past the title of this thread. If you had, you would have seen the true point of this post.

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And I am saying that they are neither.

Can you accurately comment on their understanding of scripture?

No I can't and if I could I wouldn't. They were taught to believe that it is wrong, and are good Christians.

A good Christian can't be defined by this one thing.

Because I support Gay marriages, people think that I am a bad muslim-however, it is all a matter of perspective.

Fine, but whether or not you believe your close friends are good christians is off-topic anyway. Which is why I asked before if you had read anything past the title of this thread. If you had, you would have seen the true point of this post.

To you it might be off topic, but to me it isn't. The topic reads: "If you are against gay marriages, you are a bad christian" I am saying that this isn't true. So it might be off topic to you, but not to me. I even supported my claim, which you seem to have ignored...

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And I am saying that they are neither.

Can you accurately comment on their understanding of scripture?

No I can't and if I could I wouldn't. They were taught to believe that it is wrong, and are good Christians.

A good Christian can't be defined by this one thing.

Because I support Gay marriages, people think that I am a bad muslim-however, it is all a matter of perspective.

Fine, but whether or not you believe your close friends are good christians is off-topic anyway. Which is why I asked before if you had read anything past the title of this thread. If you had, you would have seen the true point of this post.

To you it might be off topic, but to me it isn't. The topic reads: "If you are against gay marriages, you are a bad christian" I am saying that this isn't true. So it might be off topic to you, but not to me. I even supported my claim, which you seem to have ignored...

I did not ignore that, I am only stating that the title of the thread is not the entirety of what the OP had to say.

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And I am saying that they are neither.

Can you accurately comment on their understanding of scripture?

No I can't and if I could I wouldn't. They were taught to believe that it is wrong, and are good Christians.

A good Christian can't be defined by this one thing.

Because I support Gay marriages, people think that I am a bad muslim-however, it is all a matter of perspective.

Fine, but whether or not you believe your close friends are good christians is off-topic anyway. Which is why I asked before if you had read anything past the title of this thread. If you had, you would have seen the true point of this post.

To you it might be off topic, but to me it isn't. The topic reads: "If you are against gay marriages, you are a bad christian" I am saying that this isn't true. So it might be off topic to you, but not to me. I even supported my claim, which you seem to have ignored...

I did not ignore that, I am only stating that the title of the thread is not the entirety of what the OP had to say.

That's great for him, maybe he should make it more clear next time ^^

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Saltski Circe

Arrogant b*****d.

Yes, I am. Thank you very much. biggrin

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Except there is evidence that proves the latter wrong. It is believed there are hormonal, genetic, and environmental conditions that determine a person's sexuality.
So--if you are arguing that homosexuality is indeed a choice--you are mistaken in that aspect.

Red herring. You don't even know the definition of "Complementarity," do you?

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the interrelation of reciprocity whereby one thing supplements or depends on the other

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Does that mean they are less right than the majority?

Considering the fact that in Luke 10:16 Christ said "Whoever hears you hears me," and in Matthew 16:18 "The Jaws of Hell shall not prevail against it [The Church]," YES!

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Tradition also claimed that women were to be subserviant babymakers and housewives and that it was okay to treat African Americans as subpar citizens.

Weak analogy. Different kind of tradition.

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No I can't and if I could I wouldn't. They were taught to believe that it is wrong, and are good Christians.

A good Christian can't be defined by this one thing.

Because I support Gay marriages, people think that I am a bad muslim-however, it is all a matter of perspective.

Fine, but whether or not you believe your close friends are good christians is off-topic anyway. Which is why I asked before if you had read anything past the title of this thread. If you had, you would have seen the true point of this post.

To you it might be off topic, but to me it isn't. The topic reads: "If you are against gay marriages, you are a bad christian" I am saying that this isn't true. So it might be off topic to you, but not to me. I even supported my claim, which you seem to have ignored...

I did not ignore that, I am only stating that the title of the thread is not the entirety of what the OP had to say.

That's great for him, maybe he should make it more clear next time ^^

I shouldn't have to put "Read the first post" at the end of the subject.

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Relax I did read the first post...well just now anyways...it was long so I skimmed it at first sorry.

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Relax I did read the first post...well just now anyways...it was long so I skimmed it at first sorry.

S'okay. Just read all the way through first next time.

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Red herring. You don't even know the definition of "Complementarity," do you?

Care to enlighten me instead of using words that only 1/8th of the Gaian populace knows?

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the interrelation of reciprocity whereby one thing supplements or depends on the other

....Care explaining what this has to do with homosexuality?

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Does that mean they are less right than the majority?

Considering the fact that in Luke 10:16 Christ said "Whoever hears you hears me," and in Matthew 16:18 "The Jaws of Hell shall not prevail against it [The Church]," YES!

"Jaws of Hell" is completely interpretive. And you practically dodged the question, again.

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Weak analogy. Different kind of tradition.

Prove it.

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Actually, the beauty of the decree of the Council of Jerusalem is that the remaining disciples collectively affirmed that Gentiles really didn't have all that many rules to follow, and defined them at the time. The most important part, of course, was doing away with the teaching that circumcision was necessary in order for salvation.

Funny you bring up the Council of Jerusalem.

Two things:

A) I quote the Douay Rheims footnote:

Duay Rheims footnote for Acts 15:29

"From blood, and from things strangled"... The use of these things, though of their own nature indifferent, was here prohibited, to bring the Jews more easily to admit of the society of the Gentiles; and to exercise the latter in obedience. But this prohibition was but temporary, and has long since ceased to oblige; more especially in the western churches.

Unless you are willing to condemn every single man prior to the age of refrigeration who strangled his chicken before cooking it (cuz if you cut the heads off, they run around, don't you know?), I think you'll have to admit that Acts 15:29 is not conclusively definitive insofar as morality or theology goes. This seems to me to be a decision entirely on discipline.

B) I find it interesting that you are willing to accept one council, but reject the others. I find it interesting that you are willing to accept the decision of the Bishops in one case, but reject it in another.

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Assuming that Yeshua did, in fact, fulfill Mosaic Law, he affirmed very specific parts of it, brought in the Law of Agape, and slammed just about everything else the people were doing. Unless there's a part where he or the collective disciples say "I haet dem gheys," I posit that homosexuality was clearly not enough of a concern to merit a divine law opposing it (note that the Mosaic Law does not oppose it either) and is thus not enough of a concern to merit taking issue with it because of some notion that God hates it. If anything, it's reading meaning in where there is none.

Two things.

A) You said that the Mosaic Law does not oppose it. It says right in Leviticus "Thou shalt not have sex with a man as with a woman. It is an abomination."

B) Your understanding is based entirely on your own personal exegesis, which is entirely subjective.

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I'm still waiting for a compelling case for why homosexuality is TEH EBIL. You know, one that doesn't end with something along the lines of "my pastor, priest, mother, father, or gay-bashing cousin said so," and actually stands up to exegesis.

I am waiting for a compelling argument that is is NOT a sin, you know, one that doesn't end with "The bible doesn't outright condemn it."