If you are against gay marriage, you are a bad Christian.

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lalobabaloo

Scare Tactic Propaganda

lalobabaloo

deadmanjake

lalobabaloo

To call anyone a "bad Christian" is a sin in itself. Who are you to judge me, a fellow sinner? Only God can judge in the end, and he isn't deciding if I were a "good" or "bad" Christian. Besides, I've found 4 passages reffering to being against homosexuality, and I will interpret them as I wish.

Pray tell, are any of those from the OT?

Yes, 2 of them are. The other two are in the NT.

How many of these were not mentioned on the first page or in here?

I'm not sure; I don't have them right here with me. Either way, I will interpret the verses I found the way I choose. My point is that no man on this earth can go around judging if I am a "good" or "bad" Christian.

Hmm but we could personally determine if you were not a Christian based on your refusal to acctually follow Christ in thought and action.
After all according to Paul either someone is a Christian or they are not, it's not a half assed only on Sudays thing it's a 24 hour lifetime and beyond commitment. It's not really a judement then just more of an observation like the sky is blue or the grass is green, To be a Christian you follow Christ.
After all you can call yourself a bird till your blue in the face but untill you grow feathers and a beak your just another wino on the street

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PoeticVengeance

Have you heard of a fallacy called Appeal to Tradition

Appeals to Tradition only apply when circumstances change, or the foundation of the Tradition was false. If the premise of the Tradition still holds true, it isn't fallacious.

Likewise, Appeals to authority aren't fallacious unless the authority is unqualified.

That said, appeal to Tradition is more appeal to Authority than anything.

Wow, new account already or did you just change the name to see how fast you can get banned?

I thought you could get an IP ban around here? Suddenly I'm not terribly concerned about what will happen if I troll

[linaloki]

Ad.min can suck my balls

Aino Ailill

Paul, in this letter, referred to himself in the first person singular. Why should it be assumed that this is the will of the Lord?

Because it's in the canonized Bible.

I would make the point that just because the Catholic Church put it in the Bible doesn't make it God's Word, but you would say "Yes it does!" and never listen, thusly it's moot.

I will point out, however, that, as someone mentioned... Your nuns. Nuns go against that verse. Meaning... If you agree with that verse, you disagree with nuns... Meaning you disagree with your system of religion... My my, what a dilemma.

Also, we look at that verse's context... He keeps saying I. I do not permit this, I do not permit that... He is referring to how he wanted the church he was personally preaching at to be run.

[The Melancholy Of Haruhi]

Masturbating_Rot_Crow

Aino Ailill

Ad.min can suck my balls

Priest of Merwynism

that only applies to catholicism in general and perhaps some denominations of protestantism.
it varies from denomination to denomionation.

however, i personally think it's an illegitimate practice.
there is biblical evidence of female teachers, such as the apostle thecla.

Any denomination that allows a woman anything is a fluffy bunny Christian.

1 Timothy 2:11

Let the woman learn in silence, with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence.

Paul, in this letter, referred to himself in the first person singular. Why should it be assumed that this is the will of the Lord?

Paul is more filler-bible at best. No one knows how much of Paul is even really Paul, so it could be the word of anyone. Not a very good backing.

filler-bible? he practicly invented the actual religion of christianity and you call him filler-bible?
yeah, the bill of rights they're filler-constitution.
filler-constitution.

[TrunkstheSlayer]

The Melancholy Of Haruhi

Masturbating_Rot_Crow

Aino Ailill

Ad.min can suck my balls

Priest of Merwynism

that only applies to catholicism in general and perhaps some denominations of protestantism.
it varies from denomination to denomionation.

however, i personally think it's an illegitimate practice.
there is biblical evidence of female teachers, such as the apostle thecla.

Any denomination that allows a woman anything is a fluffy bunny Christian.

1 Timothy 2:11

Let the woman learn in silence, with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence.

Paul, in this letter, referred to himself in the first person singular. Why should it be assumed that this is the will of the Lord?

Paul is more filler-bible at best. No one knows how much of Paul is even really Paul, so it could be the word of anyone. Not a very good backing.

filler-bible? he practicly invented the actual religion of christianity and you call him filler-bible?
yeah, the bill of rights they're filler-constitution.
filler-constitution.

Reading's not your strong point huh?

[Celeblin Galadeneryn]

Ad.min can suck my balls

Eshmasesh

I actually have no idea what that means surprised

"Joe, homosexual sex is wrong. Bob, homosexual sex must be alright, I saw Jim boning you in the a** just last night."

What happened to translating your Latin?

[killer_goth_freak]

I agree entirely.

[Turk Gronz]

Ugh, these threads about whether homosexuality is right or wrong really piss me off. It's amazing the lengths people go to to say that homosexuality is wrong, oh it's just not natural. These people are just thinking based on societal standards and etc.

Let me just say this to you people. Homosexuality is not just, a bunch of guys having sex with whomever they please, or a bunch of girls having sex with whomever they please. It's the same thing as heterosexuality. You fall in love with people, they are just of the same sex. Love goes far beyond the scope of sex. And idk if there is any person on earth who can control who they fall in love with or who they don't fall in love with. It's like controlling the fact you like chocolate more than vanilla, you don't just decide chocolate is better than vanilla, it just happens, and the guy next to you happens to like vanilla more than chocolate.


I would just like to point out to you all, that little snidbits and tiny rules are not the point of religion. The point of religion is to scope out a better understanding of yourself and the world around you and it fulfills a basic need to find a purpose in life. It is not to condemn people, and any person who uses it to condemn people is simply using self-destructive behavior. The world does not need any more persecuting. The world's a better place when you embrace acceptance and as far as I'm concerned the only reason people don't like homosexuals is they're in fear that other people won't like them for being okay with it.

Snidbit's and rules, I can't believe there is so much hate to certain people based on who they love, what is the world coming to.

[Celeblin Galadeneryn]

Turk Gronz

I would just like to point out to you all, that little snidbits and tiny rules are not the point of religion.

That's not only wrong, that's limiting religion to orthodoxic ones. For an orthopraxic religion, rules are everything.

This isn't what we're trying to argue here. We're trying to argue that there is no biblicial precedent for a Christian to be against gay marriage.

[SapphWolf]

Marshal67

Elf Lord Chiewn

I wonder why it's so ambiguous, then.

Well, another Christian Doctrine is with Salvation comes understanding, thus being saved is a requirement to truly understand the Bible.

I think this can be true, to a point since I believe it is always better to look at things from the inside. But then you have to wander why those on the inside disagree then.

Hmmm, I wonder indeed whee

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Okay. You're old-fashioned. ^^

See I told my friends in the church(who no longer speak to me...) that I am no Heretic to God! He is the oldest after all ^_^

Oh, no. You're still a heretic. You just don't know it yet.

[Ad.min can suck my balls]

linaloki

I would make the point that just because the Catholic Church put it in the Bible doesn't make it God's Word, but you would say "Yes it does!" and never listen, thusly it's moot.

Most mainstream Protestants, if not all, will also agree that said verse is "God breathed." Not to say that this proves that it is in fact "God breathed" or whatever dumb term you wanna use. I am merely saying that it's not an issue for most Christians.

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I will point out, however, that, as someone mentioned... Your nuns. Nuns go against that verse. Meaning... If you agree with that verse, you disagree with nuns... Meaning you disagree with your system of religion... My my, what a dilemma.

I fail to see how a woman living a life of penance in chastity, poverty, and obedience under the authority of male Church officials goes against said verse, especially in the case of the cloyster orders.

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ty_ping

Wow, new account already or did you just change the name to see how fast you can get banned?

No, the other account got banned by some unnamed Admin. I made a thread entitled "Should Blasphemy be considered slander/libel" and it got deleted for "Trolling." In protest, I made another thread called, "ADMIN, ******** YOU!" and got banned. Thus the current name and siggy. smile

[CuAnnan]

Ad.min can suck my balls

I fail to see how a woman living a life of penance in chastity, poverty, and obedience under the authority of male Church officials goes against said verse, especially in the case of the cloyster orders.

It's called clutching at straws, Barry.

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reagun ban

It's called clutching at straws, Barry.

I'm clutching at straws? confused

[Striga]

Ad.min can suck my balls

linaloki

I would make the point that just because the Catholic Church put it in the Bible doesn't make it God's Word, but you would say "Yes it does!" and never listen, thusly it's moot.

Most mainstream Protestants, if not all, will also agree that said verse is "God breathed." Not to say that this proves that it is in fact "God breathed" or whatever dumb term you wanna use. I am merely saying that it's not an issue for most Christians.

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I will point out, however, that, as someone mentioned... Your nuns. Nuns go against that verse. Meaning... If you agree with that verse, you disagree with nuns... Meaning you disagree with your system of religion... My my, what a dilemma.

I fail to see how a woman living a life of penance in chastity, poverty, and obedience under the authority of male Church officials goes against said verse, especially in the case of the cloyster orders.

How about the Catholic schools run by Catholic parishes who have nuns teaching?