If you are against gay marriage, you are a bad Christian.

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Servus Dei

linaloki

Why is homosexual marriage immoral and wrong?

What makes homosexual marriage immoral and wrong? The Catholic Faith teaches that marriages can only be heterosexual.

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And what makes Ananel a heretic?

He isn't a Catholic.

You have to be a Catholic to be a Heritic dear.

[Ananel]

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Ananel

I see a different association operative between three of the four verses, and consider them unrelated to Matthew 16, which you still misstated and did not justify doing from a translational perspective. There is a difference between "this rock" and "you."

"Upon this rock I shall build my church." "Which was built upon 12 foundations, in which were inscribed the names of the 12 Apostles."

How can you not consider that related?

If one interprets the Matthew passage to indicate the confession as being the rock, then it is difficult to see them as directly related, due to the fact that they are speaking of two different foundations of the New Jerusalem. Add to this the fact that there is a difference between a direct teaching and a metaphorical representation in a vision, and you will notice that I am a bit leery of connecting the passages, exegetically speaking.

At best: If they are connected, the only indiication would be that the foundation is all 12 apostles: The entire leadership of the early church, which quickly expands and gives creedence to other unrelated figures such as Apollos. And, frankly, I would still feel that this is an extremely big stretch, given among other things Peter's apostacy.

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Servus Dei

Toga! Toga!

Your religion didn't even hold the first marriages.

According to my (and several other religions), the first marriage was ordained by God for one man and one woman.

So sure, my religion in particular didn't hold the first marriage. However, I believe that my religion was instituted by the same God Who ordained that first marriage, and is in the constant prescence and guidance of that God.

Adam and Eve wern't even the first Jews which basically comes down to, no Your religion (Or the Jewish one) does not hold onto the first marrage in the slightest.

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deadmanjake

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jesusfreakbuddy

Hey yal.....
Sorry but i dont think it is right to be gay...thats why God made women and men!!!

I'm a Hermaphrodite, Who made me and who am I supposed to marry?

Uhm...my best guess is your parents, unless you believe in YHWH and that he created everything, then he created you. And you are not supposed to marry anyone, but if you choose to marry someone, it should be someone who loves you.

I know, bad DMJ for thinking of The Law of Agape while writing that. Shame on me.

Beh, I'm not really a hermaphrodite, but they're never once mentione in the bible so if you're taking the God made man and Woman who the hell made them?
Plus alot of that God made woma and man comes down to
and? So?

[jaden kendam]

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deadmanjake

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jesusfreakbuddy

Hey yal.....
Sorry but i dont think it is right to be gay...thats why God made women and men!!!

I'm a Hermaphrodite, Who made me and who am I supposed to marry?

Uhm...my best guess is your parents, unless you believe in YHWH and that he created everything, then he created you. And you are not supposed to marry anyone, but if you choose to marry someone, it should be someone who loves you.

I know, bad DMJ for thinking of The Law of Agape while writing that. Shame on me.

Beh, I'm not really a hermaphrodite, but they're never once mentione in the bible so if you're taking the God made man and Woman who the hell made them?
Plus alot of that God made woma and man comes down to
and? So?

I figured that you were not, but in the off chance that you are. And in case anyother moron stuck thier head in and said you are a freak of nature, I figured the whole Law of Agape would be a good stop sign.

[PoeticVengeance]

I'm filled with sadness, because Ananel beat me to it.

Servus, you're combining the passages in a way that doesn't account for their own individual context within their own chapters.

Using them to prove papal authority to edit and add to the bible is a very big stretch.

Now that doesn't mean I would consider it a blatant misrepresentation. I can definately see how such a mistake could be made. Its understandable that you took that interpretation when you read those verses in that order and didn't look closely at the context of each of them by themselves in comparision.

You need to step back for a moment and realize that papal authority is in doubt here. Not eliminated as a concept, its certainly possible that you are correct, but strong doubt has still been shed.

So you need to show a little more respect for the other sects of Christianity with that in mind.

[PoeticVengeance]

And yes folks, it was a little snobbish of me to put the translational request that way, but it was still relevant to the discussion.

So I apologize for coming off as dickish and pockyauto can shut his whiny mouth as he lacks any valid complaint about my procedure for establishing veracity of religious material.

I would've gotten to your material before Ananel, Servus, had I not been as swamped with homework as I had been.

I apologize for making you wait, as belligerant as you may be. Disrespect does not warrent further disrespect. If it had been avoidable I would have responded immediately.

If you wish me to do an in depth analysis of them, I can, although its rather pointless now that Ananel did his. There wasn't much for me to add.

[Servus Dei]

ty_ping

You have to be a Catholic to be a Heritic dear.

Technically, you only have to be baptised.

[Servus Dei]

Ananel

If one interprets the Matthew passage to indicate the confession as being the rock,

And presuming one doesn't?

[Kalyani Srijoi]

Servus Dei

Ananel

If one interprets the Matthew passage to indicate the confession as being the rock,

And presuming one doesn't?

Then one would be taking one interpretation over another interpretation of equal or greater merit, and therefore would have no ground upon which to condemn the alternate interpretation.

Duh.

[Chair7]

For all you people who are looking for bible verses that back up my position, which is that homosexuality is a sin, here they are.

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

Also I would like to correct an opinion that many non-christian people seem to have. WE DO NOT HATE HOMOSEXUALS. We believe that it is wrong, but we do not hate and are not prejudiced against homosexuals. So could you all please stop calling us bigots? Thank you, that is all. ninja

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Chair7

For all you people who are looking for bible verses that back up my position, which is that homosexuality is a sin, here they are.

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

Also I would like to correct an opinion that many non-christian people seem to have. WE DO NOT HATE HOMOSEXUALS. We believe that it is wrong, but we do not hate and are not prejudiced against homosexuals. So could you all please stop calling us bigots? Thank you, that is all. ninja

*beats him about the head with a large tire iron*

READ. THE. FIRST. PAGE. YOU. ILLITERATE. DUMB. s**t. OR. I'LL. FIND. YOUR. FAMILY. AND. DO. GRAPHIC. THINGS. TO. THEM. INVOLVING. A. BOEING. 747. JOAN. VALDEZ. AND. POSSIBLY. A. TURDUCKEN.

[Rookherst[KOS]]

Chair7

Also I would like to correct an opinion that many non-christian people seem to have. WE DO NOT HATE HOMOSEXUALS. We believe that it is wrong, but we do not hate and are not prejudiced against homosexuals. So could you all please stop calling us bigots? Thank you, that is all. ninja

Please explain why it is Christain Groups that object to Homosexual marraige?

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Servus Dei

ty_ping

You have to be a Catholic to be a Heritic dear.

Technically, you only have to be baptised.

Being baptised makes you Catholic, essentially, although it doesn't make you an adult member of the church. Confirmation is for that. (Among a bunch of other things)

Technically its absolutely ******** worse for a person to become a heretic or an apostate after Confirmation then in between baptism and confirmation.

So if you really want to rail on someone for being an evil evil traitor to the church, I'm right here.

Ananel is hardly a heretic.

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Ananel

If one interprets the Matthew passage to indicate the confession as being the rock,

And presuming one doesn't?

Well, justify it then.

Its obvious you disagree with that interpretation.

Explain why. Its better then just sitting here staring at each other.