If you are against gay marriage, you are a bad Christian.

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PoeticVengeance

Comparison of indulgences for instance to the Scriptures. Such a thing was blasphemous.

Prove that indulgences are against the scriptures.

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The Catholic Church is not the end all be all of Christianity. Far from it.

I am sure that Our Blessed Lord would disagree with you.

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The Catholic Church is not the end all be all of Christianity. Far from it.

I am sure that Our Blessed Lord would disagree with you.

Why are you so sure?

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PoeticVengeance

You're using an online bible.

Which one exactly?

The Online Douay Rheims

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linaloki

Sorry, I forgot. Repeating "Oh God, have mercy on us" counts as a direct prayer. We'll ignore the whole "You hafta talk to a priest for your sins to be forgiven" thing.

A priest is alter Christi and in the sacrament of confession is persona Christi.

Prove this Biblically.

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Really? That's funny... You see, the Catholic Church told me something different, just a tad. You know, they just said something along the lines of "Mortal sins are a straight ticket to hell." Not too far off, though, from what you said.

Thus the reason I say that your understanding of Catholic doctrine is piss poor.

Damn. I guess I shouldn't listen to those "alter Christi" guys. They never do get things right, do they? Shoot, they obviously don't know nearly as much about their religion as you do.

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linaloki

Sorry, I forgot. Repeating "Oh God, have mercy on us" counts as a direct prayer. We'll ignore the whole "You hafta talk to a priest for your sins to be forgiven" thing.

A priest is alter Christi and in the sacrament of confession is persona Christi.

Where in the bible exactly is that justified?

Giving the priests that level of authority?

Or is there any part of Scriptures in which the church is given that kind of authority over forgiveness?

Please don't be proving my point for me. That would cause me to be accused of being lazy.

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SoundDoctrine

Why are you so sure?

Compare Ezekial 47:1-12 to Apocalypse 22:1-4 to Apocalypse 21:1-14 to Matthew 16:18

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The Catholic Church is not the end all be all of Christianity. Far from it.

I am sure that Our Blessed Lord would disagree with you.

And I'm sure that Christ's gift is not dependent on religious sect. And I'm pretty sure I can prove that one Biblically. Can you prove your statement?

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linaloki

Prove this Biblically.

Prove biblically that it has to be in the Bible to be right.

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linaloki

Prove this Biblically.

Prove biblically that it has to be in the Bible to be right.

Revelation 22:18-19, NIV

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

Matthew 7:15, NIV

Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

Matthew 7:21-23, NIV

Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

2 Peter 2:1-3, NIV

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

Prove now that anything non-Bliblical isn't false teaching.

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Revelation 22:18-19, NIV

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

Emphasis mine.

Matthew 7:15, NIV

Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

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Matthew 7:21-23, NIV

Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

Petitio Principii

2 Peter 2:1-3, NIV

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

Again, Petitio Principii

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Prove now that anything non-Bliblical isn't false teaching.

1 Timothy 3:15

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1 Timothy 3:15

1 Timothy 3:15, NIV

if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth

That verse? Of which the preceding verse says

1 Timothy 3:14, NIV

Although I hope to come to you soon, I am writing you these instructions so that,

He's writing instructions incase he doesn't get to the town in time. Instructions on how to conduct onesself in God's house. Not directions on what is sin, what isn't sin, etcetera. You have yet to prove to me that non-Biblical teachings aren't false. If a priest said that Jesus said, "Homosexuality is a-okay," would you not claim it to be false? But, where it in the Bible, would it not then be true to you?

You have absolutely no proof that Catholicism is God's chosen heaven goers. Nor that their dogma is Biblical, that not being Catholic is a sin, or that Catholic dogma is not false teachings sent by Satan.

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PoeticVengeance

Comparison of indulgences for instance to the Scriptures. Such a thing was blasphemous.

Prove that indulgences are against the scriptures.

There is no clear verse in the New Covenant and New Laws that condones the clergy being the middleman between the individual and Christ, and there is especially no verse at all that condones paying the church to enable your entry into Paradise and avoiding entry into hell.

Do you wish me to list ever single verse in the Bible?

I can tell you right now that such an action is definately not workable. You'd be far better off providing a verse that shows a condonement of indulgences. Obviously if I'm wrong I will concede gracefully. It has been some time since I've read the Bible cover to cover obviously.


(Of course that's not even going into the issue of the misconception of Hell and the mistranslations of Sheol and Gehenna. Especially since those problems with your canon are also within nearly all the other sects of Christianity, I wouldn't hold against the Catholic Church itself.)

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The Catholic Church is not the end all be all of Christianity. Far from it.

I am sure that Our Blessed Lord would disagree with you.

I doubt it, even if I believed he existed.

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I'm an apostate. Severed my ties with the Catholic Church exactly fourteen months after my Confirmation.

And I'm no longer even a nondenominational Christian now.

But that's irrelevant. You're operating from the assumption that you are correct based on divine means.

So that means that no matter what material, proof, evidence or observation that is brought against your assertions, you'll ignore it or decide that it is invalid, no matter what its relevance or validity.

I can tell you right now, that there is absolutely no verse in the Bible that actually condemns homosexuality, homosexual marriage, or being transgender. At least none relevant to Christians.

Leviticus is the closest you'd get and that was put down with the rest of Mosaic Law when it was fulfilled and replaced by the New Covenant with Christ.

So the Catholic Church's stance on homosexuality (while slightly better then some of the Protestant sects, as it recognizes that homosexuality is not a choice and as a biological aspect) is still blasphemous against the Word of God.

Beyond that anything else is irrelevant to this discussion don't you agree?

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PoeticVengeance

You're using an online bible.

Which one exactly?

The Online Douay Rheims

I haven't heard of it actually.

I'll go through it to see if its one of the good ones or not.

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1 Timothy 3:15, NIV

if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth

Emphasis mine. Compare that verse to the previous verses I gave earlier, namely these:

Ezekial 47:1-12 to Apocalypse 22:1-4 to Apocalypse 21:1-14 to Matthew 16:18

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linaloki

Prove this Biblically.

Prove biblically that it has to be in the Bible to be right.

The Bible is the literary evidence for the existance of God and the divinity of Jesus. It is also the moral guidelines for the Christian religion.

So while something doesn't need to be in the Bible to be right, it must be in the Bible to be considered God's Word.

Unless you can establish that God has spoken, or is speaking through a person responsible for extrabiblical material or extrabiblical dogma.

Can you prove that the Church has divine authority to add to the Bible?