If you are against gay marriage, you are a bad Christian.

[Marshal67]

Servus Dei

Marshal67

My guess, is the general population.

Nuff said.

Not so. General population then allows room for homosexuals to exist because inevitable there will be heterosexuals to fulfill the commandment.

[Ananel]

Jewel Turner

Posting a few verses for whoever cares to look them up. If anyone wants to reply to this, please send it to me in pm, and I'll be back on Gaia tommorrow.

Romans 1: 24-27

Leviticus 18: 22

Leviticus 20: 13

1 Corinthians 6: 9-11


I am not trying to force my beliefs or views on you by trying to post these verses. They are only there for people to read and consider by their own choice.

Well, I am off to bed now... see ya'll!

To understand the basics of my response, please see a cited summary argument of mine from way back when on page 1. Then, note that I view the Law of Moses to be concluded and removed through the Cross, as stated by the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15 and by Paul in Colossians 2/Galatians.

[Servus Dei]

Toga! Toga!

If "Be fruitful and multiply" applies to all mean that makes Jesus a sinner. Which was my original point.

Prove that it does in fact apply to all.

[linaloki]

So, Servus, the questions are...

Why is homosexual marriage immoral and wrong? And what makes Ananel a heretic? From what I've read, you're the one making light of the Scripture.

[Servus Dei]

Marshal67

Not so. General population then allows room for homosexuals to exist because inevitable there will be heterosexuals to fulfill the commandment.

Except, of course, that commandments and laws don't apply to general populations. They apply to individuals.

It doesn't matter if the people in the car behind me are wearing safety belts, I am still gonna get a ticket if I ain't wearing one.

[Half Baked SF]

Servus Dei

Toga! Toga!

If "Be fruitful and multiply" applies to all mean that makes Jesus a sinner. Which was my original point.

Prove that it does in fact apply to all.

I won't, because that is not my point. Either it applies to everyone and Jesus sinned, or it applied to Adam and Eve only and neither I nor anyone who does not reproduce is under no fire.

In fact, you are the one who agreed with whoever stated that verse applied to everyone with "precisely." YOU prove that claim.

You're doing this on purpose, aren't you?

[Servus Dei]

linaloki

Why is homosexual marriage immoral and wrong?

What makes homosexual marriage immoral and wrong? The Catholic Faith teaches that marriages can only be heterosexual.

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And what makes Ananel a heretic?

He isn't a Catholic.

[Ananel]

Servus Dei

Ananel

Populations were lacking, and you tend to speak of universals established as ordinances in Genesis 1-3, indicative of 'population' inplications. Given that I consider it, grammatically speaking, to be a blessing to two individuals, I would say you tend to stretch the text.

Huh? I have no idea what you just said.

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...and I'm waiting for you to recall that I replied to you twice now.

I didn't see. Where?

Repeats: There is a distinction between spiritual milk and meat/bread, as taught in Hebrews. Knowledge good for salvation is not full understanding. Paul and others are quite explicit on this.

I'll simplify the other: The "Be fruitful and multiply" is a specific blessing to two individuals, not the general population. To say otherwise is grammatically incorrect, and what God says in the Bible is more important than 'doctrinal integrity.'

[linaloki]

Servus Dei

Marshal67

Not so. General population then allows room for homosexuals to exist because inevitable there will be heterosexuals to fulfill the commandment.

Except, of course, that commandments and laws don't apply to general populations. They apply to individuals.

It doesn't matter if the people in the car behind me are wearing safety belts, I am still gonna get a ticket if I ain't wearing one.

So, you'resaying "Be fruitful and multiply" was a commandment or law directed at individuals? Or is there some other law against homosexual sex you'd like to show us?

[Yuuna_Kashiwagi]

Servus Dei

Ananel

Not if, as you have in the past, you treat "Be fruitful and multiply" in any way as a command or ordinance.

Didn't you know that the Bible is just a cookbook? What the verse REALLY says is "Add berry fruit fill and/or multiply"

But seriously, was YHWH talking to individuals or populations?

Well considering that every direct commandment to be fruitful and multiply was directed at a specific person or group of people probably. Also when you look at the reality of the situation with overpopulation being a huge problem in certain areas it's almost certain.

[Ananel]

Servus Dei

He isn't a Catholic.

And again, Papal Boot Lickers (not to be confused with good Catholics) do not concern me when they call protestants heretics.

[Servus Dei]

Ananel

Repeats: There is a distinction between spiritual milk and meat/bread, as taught in Hebrews. Knowledge good for salvation is not full understanding. Paul and others are quite explicit on this.

I still have no idea what you are talking about.

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I'll simplify the other: The "Be fruitful and multiply" is a specific blessing to two individuals, not the general population. To say otherwise is grammatically incorrect, and what God says in the Bible is more important than 'doctrinal integrity.'

He also says that to various other things, for example the birds, the beasts, etc, particularly in the first story of creation. I would presume he gave the command to humanity in general, not particularly to any one person.

[linaloki]

Servus Dei

linaloki

Why is homosexual marriage immoral and wrong?

What makes homosexual marriage immoral and wrong? The Catholic Faith teaches that marriages can only be heterosexual.

Catholic faith trumps the Bible? The Catholic faith also tells you that you can't pray directly to God. And used to tell you, and might still, that unless you confessed ALL of your sins to a priest before you died, you would be sent to Purgatory. AND it claims that some sins are worse than others in God's eyes.

None of which, by the by, is Biblical.

Servus Dei

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And what makes Ananel a heretic?

He isn't a Catholic.

Actually, he is. So sorry. At least, I'm pretty darn sure. I'm the heretic you want. I left the Catholic Church.

[Half Baked SF]

Servus Dei

He also says that to various other things, for example the birds, the beasts, etc, particularly in the first story of creation. I would presume he gave the command to humanity in general, not particularly to any one person.

Look at context. he said that in the first story of creation, you say? That was when the populations were low. What's the human population now? Somewhere around 6 billion and rising? Yeah, I think we're good.

[Marshal67]

Servus Dei

Marshal67

Not so. General population then allows room for homosexuals to exist because inevitable there will be heterosexuals to fulfill the commandment.

Except, of course, that commandments and laws don't apply to general populations. They apply to individuals.

It doesn't matter if the people in the car behind me are wearing safety belts, I am still gonna get a ticket if I ain't wearing one.

I do not see how this law could be applied to individuals, multiplying that is, since we have infertile couples who are married and do not have children.

And your own sect of Christianity has nuns and priests, which never multiply iether.